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[–] 61 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I'm being required to use AI at work, and the first thing that jumped out at me was how often it says, "You're right!" That is like a drug for a narcissist.

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  • [–] 47 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    It's so clearly not a finished or functioning product. In terms of art, I tried to use it as a tool, and it's useless. You can't make AI assisted videos or art, because it can't produce duplicates of anything. It can't stay on model, it can't use a set design to make anything. You can't plug in frames and ask for inbetweens, you can't give it a script and get comic panels, none of that works. You get random sloppy bullshit.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago

    When the goal is getting people to use it to jack up company investments then getting people to use it, even if forced, does mean it is finished and functioning in the context of the goals.

    It certainly isn't functional for what it is advertised as though, as you pointed out.

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  • [+] -19 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    Everything you mentioned can be done. I feel like a lot of the "AI can't do anything" boils down to "I can't figure out how to get it to do this". Not that it's easy or anything, comfy-ui is kind of difficult to get a hang of for example.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    show me four panels made by AI that contain one character who's design doesn't change in any way in a location that doesn't change in any way, in any art style it doesn't randomly change. I know you will, with in a few hours if you understand the software, be able to produce these images and you may THINK they will be similar enough. go ahead and show me, I'll explain to you why it's not useable at all.

    I have an entire fucking degree in computer animation. I'm not rubbing sticks together and going "boo hoo this is hard" I was trying to used AI at any point in existing and established production pipe lines. IT CAN'T DO IT. It's a randomizer. it CAN NOT REPODUCE AN IMAGE OF A CHARATER THE SAME WAY MORE THAN ONCE. I don't need almost the same images if you don't look closely. I need EVERYTHING ON MODEL or it breaks the animation illusion. I'm not talking about the shirt changing styles. I mean if you draw round eyes it will give you an inbetween with oval eyes. which breaks the animation. yes. you can get "video" from AI as long as you need a video that's less than 10 seconds long and isn't required to match up to any other existing video. because it CANT DO IT!!! it randomizes everything every time. you can build models for it to work inside of that will MAYBE allow you to get random images that are all in the same general style. but the software can't handle any higher level of specificity or accurate reproduction. I can write prompts down to the post production style, the lighting set up, the textures and dirt maps, I know how to tell it to give me an image with incredible specificity. it STILL RANDOMIZES EVERYTHING EVERYTIME. It's not a tool for art work, it's a random art generator that only works if you want one single image one time because it can't duplicate it's own results. if you want the same image from 10 camera angles. you're going to be disappointed.

    I have nothing against you personally, it's just really not able to do real art work. it can't. it takes a bunch of random images and it gives you a random output based on those images. it's not functioning beyond that. it's not capable. if you want to use the artwork to make a comic, or animation, it can't handle the most basic of tasks needed to do so. because that means on model. matching designs and locations. it can't. it's a gimmick. no one is trying to use it in production at all anywhere I'm aware of in the actual animation world. it can maybe give you design ideas, because that task is ment to be variations on a theme and not reproducible results. but that's the end of it's usefulness, and even then it isn't useful because design is the hardest job in the game because you CAN'T just keep pumping out knock off's of other peoples work. you have to have a style that works for you and the production as a whole and a computer can't figure that out. it's just random image generation. that's all it can do.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

    That's adding a lot of constraint to the simple list you had in your first comment. It can do all that, just not perfectly like you start asking for in the reply.

    What I find crazy is that if you're an animator, why are you paralysed when it comes to fixing mistakes? There's a spot between it can't do anything and it does everything for you, and that's where it is right now.

    It's a bit how people say it can't code. "It makes mistakes and then I have to fix them". That's part of the task! It aounds like when someone types in something into to the prompt box, they feel like they lose all ability to modify it after.

    And ya, it can't code a huge app all on its own in one go, but just like how it can animate a scene here and add some special effects there, it can code a function here and a helper script there, etc.

    I feel like you are wrapping it up in your own expectations and ignoring the things it can do because of that.

    I don't mess with the animation part all that much, but I have been using Sora and I'm also part of a discord that talks about it a lot, I see what people are doing with the open source tools and it's a lot farther along then it's made out to be in this sub.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    That’s adding a lot of constraint to the simple list you had in your first comment.

    They explained the actual task in more detail, because you clearly don't understand it. When someone says that image generators can produce animation that doesn't mean 'spitting out something that looks like shit that actual humans have to spend time cleaning up,' and you know they're not sold or advertised that way. It's a useless additional step that jams up work flows of the actual artists because it's giving you shit to fix with zero thought put into it. Human animators might consistently give you ugly shit with zero thought put into it that other people have to clean up as well, but they tend to lose their jobs.

    I feel like you are wrapping it up in your own expectations and ignoring the things it can do because of that.

    No, gen-AI pushers are lying about what it can do. Animation is not 'produce a thing that looks okay if you don't look at it too hard for 3 seconds,' it's the entire process. If a human being was hired with the expectation that they could animate and they were completely unable to link scenes together coherently, change perspectives, stay on model, and instead all they could do was short scenes with lens flare or some shit that other people still had to touch up, their ass would get fired. I'm not aware of any animators--as in, people paid to animate for their job, not people who play with AI to make 5 second generated videos--who actually want this in their job. It's like telling someone they can only do their animation with a really shitty photocopier instead of pencil and paper.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    I wasn't talking about end to end animation and neither was he in the first comment.

    Animations are complex multi step processes. I'm mainly saying AI can help and outright do some of these steps. It's not currently perfect and I don't think anyone should be forced to use this but I do think it will become common.

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  • Each individual step is part of that whole process, and throwing trash into that process at any point renders the end product as trash. There are no steps it can do without humans wasting their time fixing its output when they could have just had a real artist do it right the first time instead.

    Revisions are a huge time sink in animation, and this is basically a problem generating machine. It’s not a fixable part of gen AI, because it doesn’t think and can’t make decisions like an artist can. It’s only going to give you a probabilistic image based on your input. That is basically the complete opposite of what animators need.

    This stupid ass bubble of gen AI getting shoved where it’s unwanted and useless is long overdue to pop.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago

    Show me any image generator produced—and I mean produced as in no human input except text, not humans touching it up and editing the output—animation that doesn’t look like shit and I’ll consider believing it. Show me someone doing it on camera, stating their intended vision and specific scenes/shots and character designs that they want before they start, and they’re able to come up with something that matches what they set out to do and doesn’t look like shit or have absurd mistakes in it, and then I’ll believe it.

    Not once have I seen anything suggesting the people using image generators are engaging in anything except constantly readjusting their expectations based on whatever slop pops out rather than seriously engaging with anything being generated on an artistic level, or having a set vision they want to create.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    It's also easier to just program a computer to do these things if you have the knowledge base, in most cases.

    We need to recognize what "AI" or at least what is colloquially referred to as AI is: advanced predictive text using machine-learning.

    It's a Large Language Model and therefore it excels at language.

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    That cyborg vs synthetic battle was decent but I had my hopes higher after the build up

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago*

    I'm so pissed that they had every plot line ready to wrap up but then just fucking didn't.

    It's so frustrating because any device to keep these plots going is just contrivance.

    I'm so incredibly disappointed that they decided against an anthology and are continuing the Marcy plot.

    If there's a season 2 I doubt it'll be good, I'm super disappointed.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    That’s a gross over generalization but yes.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago* (6 children)

    I use a local deepseek-r1 instance for simple code refactorings and boilerplate (e.g. to generate obvious tests). Am I an asshat now?

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  • [–] 29 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    That depends... do you say obnoxious stuff like "AI let me 10x my productivity" or "You just need to right prompt, bro" or "AI will be good as soon as we build another trillion dollars in data centers"?

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago*

    Nah, actually I kind of hate most genAI because it's mostly a copypaste machine that steals other peoples code and art and stuff. But I do use it still because it speeds up menial tasks a lot and I don't feel like I'm stealing shit from others that way.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    i think it would do all of us a service to separate between generative AI and LLM assisted prompting.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    Keep the human element. I've seen some use cases where AI can help solve a human problem with a human need. I usually see slop intended to boost other numbers, like social media engagement stats and SEO (need 3 pages of content for your spaghetti recipe? Good news! AI can help, and it can make the recipe too. Now one robot pleases another and the human need is an afterthought)

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  • [+] -8 points 1 year ago

    According to this sub? Yup, most definitely! According to my own opinion? As long as you use it responsibly and limited to the scope of LLM (scope, as in: whatever one would usually use a Random Text Generator for, aka. inspiration, non-critical parsing, and mass spam attacks), then go ahead.

    This sub appears to be barking up the wrong tree most of the time anyway (just look at the name), so I wouldn't value anything that is posted here too high, ironically.

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    [+] -10 points 1 year ago

    I mean, I agree, but the anti-AI guys are also asshats.

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    [–] 45 points 1 year ago* (7 children)

    Interesting. Why would more manipulative people and ones with more focus on self-interest use AI more than other people? Because they're more likely to take shortcuts while doing stuff? Or is there any other direct benefit for them?

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  • [–] 57 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I imagine there are a few reasons. An LLM is a narcissist's dream--it will remain focused on you and tell you what you want to hear (and is always willing to be corrected).

    In addition, LLMs are easy to manipulate, and sort of mimic a person enough to give you a sense of power or authority. So if you're the type of person who gets something from that, there's likely a draw to that kind of person.

    Those are just guesses, though. I don't use LLMs myself, so I don't really know.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    Thanks, that sounds reasonable. Especially the focus/attention.

    Maybe it's the same as with other games or computer games... Some people also really get something out of fantasy achievements and when they win and feel like the main character... in a weird way...

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    My completely PIDOOMA take is that if you're self-interested and manipulative you're already treating most if not all people as lesser, less savvy, less smart than you. So just the fact that you can half-ass shit with a bot and declare yourself an expert in everything that doesn't need such things like "collaboration with other people", ew, is like a shot of cocaine into your eyeball.

    LLMs' tone is also very bootlicking, so if you're already narcissistic and you get a tool that tells you yes, you are just the smartest boi, well... To quote a classic, it must be like being repeatedly kicked in the head by a horse.

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    [–] 21 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Worse when your wife calls it her best friend.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    can you provide more context?

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  • [–] 57 points 1 year ago* (9 children)

    if you post a thread about intolerable dickheads, the most intolerable dickheads on Lemmy will post some shit like “intolerable dickhead checking in, how fucking dare you”

    it’s like catnip for the Reddit-brained, and by catnip I mean meth

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    I haven't met that many dickheads here though, maybe one or two, but not as many as reddit.

    Unless I'm the asshole.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    they tend to disappear from here rather quickly

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Sometimes they file reports against regulars, accusing them of "ableism" for being anti-slop-machine. That's also entertaining.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    There's a term for being anti-ai slop? Hahahaha that is hilarious!

    Edit. That term is against those with disabilities. I agree that that's a dick move. Are they claiming that by hating ai slop, we are against those with disabilities? I'm feeling like I missed something. They can't mean that, that's idiotic. Like... Idiocracy level.

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  • [–] 41 points 1 year ago* (12 children)

    The only thing that drives me to AI is the extreme uselessness of modern search engines. This is not an endorsement of hallucination engines as much as it is a condemnation of late stage enshittification of search engines and the internet in general. I miss the days when I could google something and actually find what I was looking for.

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  • [–] 30 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    ... the search engines became crap because of ai

    Plus, ai just lies. It's not a replacement

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Shitty search has been a problem longer than ai

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    If your definition of ai is only LLMs, sure. But it's been algorithmic tweaking and SEO wars for a while now.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Well yeah, llm garbage is the problem being discussed. Do you consider SEO to be ai? I don't see why you would.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    … the search engines became crap because of ai

    I mean, search has always been built on some kind of LLM. That's how you convert a query into a list of page-results.

    We've just started trying to wrap the outputs into a natural language response pattern in order to make them feel more definitive and more engaging. The "AI" part of search is mostly window-dressing.

    Plus, ai just lies.

    It has inaccurate heuristics and often tries to back-fill what it can't find with an approximation in order to maintain user engagement.

    Idk if I'd even call it lying, so much as bullshitting.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago*

    I mean, search has always been built on some kind of LLM. That’s how you convert a query into a list of page-results.

    no it fucking hasn’t. the stemming and page ranking algorithms used in traditional search have absolutely nothing to do with LLMs.

    shit, neither stemming nor PageRank as originally defined even have a machine learning component. here’s postgres’ full text search suite, which literally converts a textual query into a list of results (sans page ranking, which is out of scope for a database) in a manner suitable for a production search engine, utterly without any machine learning or other stochastic crap.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    Until this article I wasn’t sure how big the AI bubble is…

    But seeing that more than 99% of the public don’t really use AI and then comparing that to tech stocks makes me sure the bubble is just like in the 2000s

    Of course some stuff will stick just like in the 2000s but with these high valuations and 99% of people not using it, it will take a long time till break-even

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  • It's almost like telling asshats that they're right all the time is, somehow, not good for their social-emotional development. Who would'a thunk it!

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    In other news water is wet.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    I love technology and seeing what I can and can’t get to work. I have a self hosted image generator and LLM (stable diffusion and ollama). It was fun for a little while, generating images of whatever popped in mind and using the llama for code completion, grammar checks, and rewording things. I even started working on something like that AI streamer, Neuro. It’s all garbage though. The whole stack has been relegated to sending welcome messages on a discord server. It’s a neat toy but anything past that is just adding a whole layer of inaccuracy to whatever you’re using it for and way too many people don’t realize that.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    like moths to a flame

    So long as you keep your bullshit detector well-maintained, check the sources—and actually use an AI that cites it’s sources—I see nothing wrong with them. The tech is still in its infancy; it’ll improve with time.

    fuck off asshat

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