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[–] 43 points 1 year ago

Arachnophobia is so stupid. Just let the spiders get married

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    As a child, I was terribly afraid of spiders. Until I did a science project on them and discovered I was an arachnophile after all and I’ve never looked back.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    I'm an arachnophobe when I just walked through her web and don't know where the fuck she is. From a distance, though, I'm all 'Wow, what a wonderful creature!'

    The spider spinning a web in front of my door is an asshole. The one eating things inside my house is a bro. The one guarding my rose bush is beautiful.

    If you're spider-curious, take a look at Travis McEnery. If you think your an arachnophobe, check him out too; exposure therapy worked for Chill and youtube is a safe distance from the spiders.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago

    Most spiders are indeed afraid of other spiders, checkmate theists.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (15 children)

    Because most homophobes aren't afraid of gay people. They hate them. It's a very non descriptive labels fan is technically incorrect in most cases, though it DOES work as an insult to homophobes by making them seem like an absolute fucking wuss so I'm not in arms about that. In fact, I support it despite this fact. Fuck you, homophobes, you fucking dicks.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    What a homophobe is afraid of is gay men treating them the way they treat women.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago*

    kinda wierd mental gymnastics on these people. but i think its more likely closeted gay homophobes, dont wanted to be OUTED being gay themselves, because they have ties to conservative/religious groups,families they dont want to be cut off from. people who often come out as gay when they are young in a coservative/religious community will often be disowned immediately by the family and the community. mOST dont consider people like thiel(probably bad example) to be openly gay, eventhough he knows hes gay, he does everything in his power to suppress any news about him in the media all the time.(its an ulterior motive of trying to gain favors with the conservative base/ GOP so they dont intefere with his companies, business pratices like Palintir. gawker/hulk lawsuit being one of them(the motivation behind him doing it is his business pratices). not to mention last year, he had Boy toy "defenestrated" in florida, and it was like on reddit for like half a day, before it was buried.

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  • [+] 4 points 1 year ago (5 children)
  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Is it though?

    I hate my neighbor's Chihuahua because it barks all day everyday.

    Absolutely no part of me fears a dog that weighs less than 4 lbs.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    Do you stick your hands through the fence though?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Consider a usage other than "fear". Think of something hydrophobic. Do you really think that an inanimate surface is afraid of water?

    I don't think it's technically incorrect, I think folks have been taught an overly narrow usage of the suffix.

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  • [–] 42 points 1 year ago (22 children)

    I hate this stereotype; it blames bigotry against homosexuals on homosexuals.

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  • [–] 45 points 1 year ago* (4 children)

    So its not entirely just a stereotype. They have done studies on it, and it holds remarkably true. I'll see if I can find one of them for you.

    Edited to add a link to the study: Homophobia study

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    You know that's literally not what the study says right... ?

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  • [–] 28 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    Nah, openly gay homosexuals aren't bigoted, it's only the ones in denial.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (7 children)

    oh so much better, it's just closeted people that are acceptable targets!

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Not closeted people, just those in denial. If you're in the closet, that means you're scared of coming out, whereas someone who's in denial has some unhealthy reason to want to not be gay that leads them to hate that part of themselves.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    ahh, so much better

    How about we just attack homophobic people for being homophobic, instead of using gay as an insult in a roundabout way of calling them a hypocrite?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I just wish there was a clean way to diss them for weaponising their self-hatred. If you think of a really pithy insult for people who externalise their negative feelings, please share with the rest of us, it's badly needed.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    weaponising their self-hatred

    But it's also just regular hatred, same reason you can't call racist people the N word.

    Even if there was a slur for hypocrites, that's still just an ad hominem instead of attacking them for their behavior (the actual problem)

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    But if there were a slur for hypocrites that word would by definition be attacking them for their behavior since hypocrisy is a behavioral choice and not an element of personal identity.

    I've actually heard "coon" from a black leftist to refer to black conservatives who try to protect themselves by being "one of the good ones" in the eyes of right-wing racists. The term isn't something I'm comfortable using myself as a white person, but I don't think it's problematic or racist because it's directed at their harmful behavior and not their skin color.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    It's not blaming homosexuals in general; it's blaming specifically those homosexuals who help uphold systems of oppression. It's the same as women who uphold sexism or pickme minorities. They're using the oppression of others as a shield against their own oppression instead of joining the fight for equality.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I've been married to an arachnophobe for 42 years and now I have questions.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (14 children)

    Suggesting all homophobes are gay is a great way for the straight community to avoid taking responsibility for their role in perpetrating homophobia. Most homophobes are straight haters.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Secretly gay/bisexual. Closeted. Self-hating, spreading their hate. Trying to cling onto a precarious hold on the straight lifestyle, they want to eliminate "temptation". Dudes, it's only tempting if you're already bi.

    At least on the right it seems that way, with the Republican convention regularly crashing grindr.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    And that is still a fraction of the community. The fact remains straight people outnumber LGBT+ folks by a considerable margin thus most haters are just hateful straight folks.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    People who publicly identify as straight outnumber people who publicly identify as LGBTQ+, but the percentage of not solely straight rises in younger generations. Is it because of the vaccines (?!) or might it be that if you reduce the social penalty for admitting you're bi, the frequency of public identification as such rises?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    I've said before that the projection arguement is just used too often. Yes some of them are probably in denial about their own preferences but I would say that the vast majority are just awful people.

    I think transphobics tend to have a greater chance of being trans than homophobics have been gay, possibly because homophobia is looked down on by society, (at least in the West) in a way that maybe transphobia isn't quite as much. There are countries that have legalised gay marriage, but not hormone therapy, which is just bizarre.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    I think that homophobes are jealous of gays. Jealous and envious to the point of hate. I think that homophobes span the entire human range of desires but at some point the thing that they desire the most was denied to them because it is "evil". And they just can't fucking handle the idea of gay/trans/ect out there just doing what they desire and not being punished for it. I think for many of them, homosexual and bisexual desires are definitely the issue, but there's plenty of straight homophobes with desires that they have been told is evil. And then there's the plenty who actually want truly evil shit.
    But you are correct, it's not just closeted gays hating on themselves, it just happens that those seem to be the ones that seem to be the most vocal and visible.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    they dint say All homophobes are gay, its just alot of them. the most outspoken ones tend to be the ones in the closet, or the ones that act very strangely around the notion of being gay. for the latter, i saw a video of a bodybuilder who was Hiding his face with a surgical mask(way before pandemic), everyone commented how he afraid of being gay, eventhough he showing off his body.(which is wierd in itself, because asians are pretty conservative as well)

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    the most outspoken ones tend to be the ones in the closet

    Just out of interest where are you getting that information from? Of all the really outspoken ones, the ones with online followings and the ones that are always turning up at rallies, I can't think of any that have ever actually come out as gay. So how do we know if they've been in denial or not?

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (24 children)

    Almost like the first one isn't true either.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    This study kind of illustrates it may be true. It's not a huge sample size, but its difficult to deny there is at least a significant correlation.

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  • That's not what the study says??

    I don't have access to the full text, but it certainly doesn't state most homophobes display attraction to gay porn.

    It says there is a correlation. If 5% of the population is gay and 10% of homophobes are gay, then homophobia is correlated with being gay.

    But stating most homophobes are gay would require evidence that >50% are gay, not just that there exists a correlation.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

    As noted, its a small sample size, and even in that sample size the homophobic participants exhibited "arousal" to all sexual stimuli.

    I don't think that makes someone gay.

    You also have to consider the subset of self described homophobes who would consent to having a device strapped to their genitalia while they are shown gay porn...

    They may not be a representative of the larger group.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    The key factor is that only the homophobes experienced arousal when shown gay porn.

    Also, a small sample size doesn't instantly invalidate a study.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    The key factor is that it neither answers nor proves the claim. Linking it shows a failure to read even the abstract.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    wierdly how you dont think homophobic people are not gay themselves, you do realize how many people have sham marriages/relationships because they are secretely gay. if you go to any platform where gay people of experiences coming out, many of them had relationships with straight people to appear straight.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (15 children)

    Statistically speaking though...

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (14 children)

    Yeah... statistically speaking.... its not true.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (13 children)

    Well, secretly bi then.

    Why is there such a high frequency of republican conventions crashing grindr, if it's not men with repressed desires for man-on-man sex that daren't reveal their location in their home town?

    Why do conservatives claim that the gay lifestyle is a choice, if they themselves didn't choose the straight lifestyle?

    If they were completely straight, why would they think that seeing gay relationships in books entices young people into gay relationships? Surely someone 100% straight would be unaffected and it wouldn't occur to them that it was attracting young people who weren't already that way inclined.

    Every fear conservatives have of gay people only makes sense if they're coming from a bisexual perspective themselves.

    Imagine you don't find lizards at all appealing as pets and you think the vast majority of people feel the same way. Do you complain when they show people who own lizards on the television on the grounds that it entices lizard ownership? No! Now imagine you find lizard ownership really really appealing but you think it's a disaster ecologically and cruel for the lizard or something. Now you're writing angry social media posts saying they ought not to depict that on television because it only encourages it.

    Purely straight men have nothing whatsoever to fear from gay men. Only reluctant bi men worry about it and ask society to remove the temptation.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    Where did the stigma come from initially in your little fantasy world?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (10 children)

    Conservatives. Conservatives are renowned for stigmatising LGBT folk out here in the real world. I thought most people knew this, but apparently not you.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (9 children)

    But only gay conservatives according to you.

    And the reason they stigmatise queer people is ... because they're conservative.

    If you insist that according to logic homophobia comes from queer people in denial, you need to bridge that last gap to avoid circular reasoning.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    I never claimed they were at all logical. Conservatives? Nope.

    To actually answer your question, though, it's a vicious cycle passed down from generation to generation. A bit of teasing others for being different is normal in children because of the fear of others, but responsible adults and parents teach children that that's not OK and a lot of people learn to share and be kind. Not so much conservatives. Conservatism is a developmental/learning disorder.

    The ones that go on as adults to be loud homophobes and start making all kinds of claims about how it's a choice and objecting to the existence of gay literature or gay porn or out gay people are clearly still frightened, but of what? Why do they feel the need to make it so clear they want nothing to do with it? Why do they call gay porn temptation if it isn't tempting? Why do they worry that young people will see something gay and feel the urge to join "the gay lifestyle" if it left them cold and unmoved? Why so they call it a lifestyle choice if they never had to choose? The answer is really simple but somehow you can't see it and you instead deny it strongly.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (7 children)

    Just because you believe something to be true, does not make it true. Its really important you grapple with that fact.

    If the origin of homophobia is from fear of the other, why can that not persist as a major cause going forward. Especially as you note people do not, at scale, act rationally.

    This is the only bigotry where people try and pin it mostly on the minority who suffer from it.

    You would never accuse misogynists of being secret women, or racists of being secretly black.

    Its only here where the difference is invisible that you like to deny, diminish and downplay the involvement of the majority in upholding bigotry.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (6 children)

    This is the only bigotry where people try and pin it mostly on the minority who suffer from it.

    No one feels a lot of sympathy for a bunch of hypocrites being extraordinarily nasty to LGBTQ+ folks just to cover up their own shame and self hatred.

    No. Your sob story is BULLSHIT.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    I'm not asking you to have sympathy for bigots.

    I'm asking you not to blame victims of bigotry for the existence of thst bigotry.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    You can't have it both ways, either they're hypocritical closeted LGBTQ+ Republicans who crash grindr when their GOP convention turns up, turning their self hatred into a horrible climate of fear that keeps people miserable and closeted, (in which case they're not just nasty, they're betraying each other), or they're not victims.

    So, again, NO.
    Your sob story is BULLSHIT.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    There are homophobic gay people in the closet, I have never once denied it.

    What I dont agree with is that that accounts for most homophobes

    Are you really incapable of understanding the distinction?

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    There are homophobic gay people in the closet, I have never once denied it.

    No, you just spent three days trying to tell me I was victim blaming when I'm blaming the perpetrators. You just didn't realise you were being illogical

    You denied the evidence of the GOP frequently crashing grindr when they get together, and you irrationally believe that people who loudly proclaim that "the gay lifestyle is a choice" aren't themselves bi and also believe that rates of public reporting of bisexuality match actual levels of bisexuality despite the deep stigma attached to it from multiple quarters, but especially closeted bi republicans who think that if they can just make the social consequences that bit worse, it'll keep them from regressing and watching all that naughty porn again and going on grindr when they're away from home.

    So congrats for finally backing down on your absurd claim that I shouldn't blame hypocritical closeted bi rightwingers for giving the LGBTQ+ community a hard time, but 0/10 for actually admitting your error. Just like a republican. Switch tactic to attack something else.

    Yet another "protect the children" maga pastor turns out to be sexually abusing children. Are you going to tell me I'm mean for saying that a bunch of republicans who loudly claim to be protecting children from trans people (who they call pedos) and immigrant criminals turn out to be the ones abusing the children and committing the crimes.

    The thing you have to remember about the republicans, my gullible little internet interlocutor, is that their attacks are almost always their own guilt being projected.

    STOP BELIEVING the rightwing homophobes when they tell you they're not gay. Definitely not. Never would want to do that. They just need you to remove all the gay porn and out gay men from society to stop other people, yes definitely other people, from being tempted into "the gay lifestyle".

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Hey dude. You accuse me of being like the right-wing while you keep bloviating and lying to yourself.

    Its not my problem you are incapable of reading.

    I have not backed off my position, and it has been the same from the start.

    You are consumed by homophobic propaganda and I hope you choke on it.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    Most homophones are secretly homographs

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    Apparently, half of homophobes are gay. The other half have actual phobias about gay people.

    So watch out, homophobes. Half of your friends secretly want to suck your dick.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Ok, but ewww, imagine the other way around - seeing a spider doing normal spider-bro things, but it's turns out it's a human?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Sounds like a secret spider curve ball to me

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Lieutenant barkly was secretely a spider.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    As Spiderman I can confirm this

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Wait? Does this mean archnophobes want to fuck spiders?

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    FDR has entered the chat.

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