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[+] 92 points 1 year ago (4 children)
  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    It's not lying if what they mean by "not fully configured for use" is that the private data being captured and sent to their servers is not fully matched to a personal identity in their systems.

    After all, they didn't say whose "use" that device would not be configured for.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    Still, if they were actually being honest, this would be easily solved if they showed those "critical setup screens" BEFORE asking to create the account, and based on what the user selected then they would allow (or not) the creation of a local account...

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  • [–] [S] 166 points 1 year ago (36 children)

    Here's your bypass:

    In OOBE, go through MS account creation. Tell it you were born today. It'll let you set a password for the MS account before rejecting you due to COPA requirements. At this point, you can make an offline account without having even created an MS account, let alone having to use one.

    This will not go away - it's a legal thing. MS doesn't want to deal with COPA stuff for very young kids, so this flow exists. Enjoy.

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  • [+] 55 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (11 children)
  • [–] 26 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    rufus doesn't help with preloads that you don't want to or can't, for whatever reason, overwrite with a 'clean' install.

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  • [+] 27 points 1 year ago (9 children)
  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    There are plenty that will boot/install Linux just fine but won't do a nice clean install of Windows 11.

    Modern Thinkpad E16 (AMD) is one of them, a clean USB won't work, it will always stick at not finding required drivers.

    You need to inevitably create a USB install from the MS USB Media Creation tool, running on the machine itself from the included crapware Windows - to get an installer USB that will work.

    Different if you're just pushing a wim over the network from endpoint/scm, but it's basically broken for local users.

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  • [+] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)
  • Just install it in a VM. I've done this before to force Windows 10 to install on a USB stick, you can pass a VM an entire physical drive to use instead of a virtual hard disk and install to that SSD directly from the VM (just kill the VM and reboot into the windows partition when the VM tries to reboot to the windows installation). I'm sure if you passed the VM a USB created with Rufus you could install from that as well.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Do you have more info regarding that ThinkPad E16?
    I'm mostly working with T series laptops and haven't had the problem, but always good to know if or when an E16 shows up.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Usually all ThinkPads work mostly the same regarding Linux support (bar the usual Nvidia driver shenanigans if you ever trip that), but I'd be concerned about the E-series themselves. If you want a cheaper than T-series ThinkPad you should get an L-series one. Not as expensive as the T-ones, but still retains some usable chassis durability, double replaceable memory slots, replaceable keyboard, etc.
    I've started calling the E-series as E-waste.

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  • [–] 31 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    This is the rule for any account or mobile game, too - if it asks your age before asking for consent to farm, put any age below 13. It'll either not farm you because it's illegal or it'll kick you out. If the latter, good riddance really

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    I’ve always done 1/1/1984 for obvious reasons but this is a good tip

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    I've used 1/1/70 since it's the unix epoc, what's 1/1/84?

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Thank you both for telling me the answers to your security questions.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Don't worry, Lemmy censors security information and passwords automatically, see: ******

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    If that actually becomes a thing people do, that could prompt MS to start to require either submitting to a face scan or showing some government ID just to install Windows, though, if the way Google's handling KYC on YT if your account gets flagged as underage, and soon Android app dev, as well as KYC going out across other sites, is any indication.

    I'm pretty sure having to KYC just to install an OS is the last thing people want right now.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Let them. The entire world is slowly migrating to Mac and Linux. I haven't even had the option of windows at my last 3 jobs. (To be fair, I've never had the option of desktop Linux, but this last one said pick a computer—I'm not positive that they would've balked at Linux.) That said, idk what's so great about Mac over Linux, but I guess it's not corporate friendly.

    I'm trying to think of which MS products we even have in our ecosystem. Office, I guess. Corporate world will never wean themselves off of Excel.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    My go to is to pop open the console and run "ipconfig /release" right before you create an account. Win 11 will have you set up a local account if you don't have a network connection.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Doesnt work on these newest versions anymore.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    OOBE\BYPASSNRO has been off and on for me, but so far nuking the network connection has always worked for me. I'm setting up a few new computers tomorrow, it will be interesting to see what tricks still work.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

    Yes please let us know. Wont know till we order another batch of newer computers in a few weeks.

    I guess i could download the latest test build on a test machine and reset it and try.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    Inconclusive. Re-used machines instead of new computers. Systems did have Windows 11 on them. OOBE\BypassNRO worked, but they may have pending updates.

    Edit: one machine would not let me skip MS account sign in with OOBE\BypassNRO. IPConfig /Release immediately let me set up a local account.

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  • [–] 78 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    "It would bypass critical steps..."

    Which step is that, data collection? Shoving OneDrive down my throat by putting my Desktop in it with no way to easily remove it?

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  • [–] 70 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

    Don't plug to many, otherwise people might start jumping ship!

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  • [–] 43 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    just making it easier to act like they don't even exist. I'll never, EVER get an account for MY computer.

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  • [–] 54 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Switched to Linux full time at the start of 2025 and haven't looked back. I fully intend to go the rest of my life without using windows again.

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I've been using Linux exclusively for more than ten years. You've made the right choice. As if you needed anyone to tell you 😆

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    Same, I made the switch about 9 years ago when I was self-employed. Then I took a job with a small company running windows and it sucked. Now I'm 6 years in with my current, a mega corp, and they are all in on Microsoft. I've been so aggravated with the limitations of Microsoft products when I could get things done with a FOSS product in no time. Of course IT blocks FOSS installs because of corporate policy....🤬

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  • [–] 51 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I despise that I have to use this OS at work. I would never run windows on my own computer again. Its just insanity. Next they'll require a credit card to make a Microsoft account.

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  • [–] 28 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    I could see them requiring government-issued ID. The age verification laws coming into effect in various states and countries make this a logical step for Microsoft. They might even start their own age verification service where you give them your ID and they vouch for your age with the sites you visit in Edge. Of course it would have the totally accidental side effect that everything you do on your computer could be monitored and legally tied to your identity.

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  • [–] 45 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    If I was still a solo sysadmin, today I would be reevaluating the feasibility of dumping Windows altogether.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Technically it possible with using windows server edition ,clean no bloatware ,minimum processes Legally cost a lot not available for usual users only in crack way

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Honestly I’m using Windows Enterprise. Local accounts, GPOs to get rid of all the telemetry and other bullshit. Never seen an ad in the start menu or any other place. Just nice clean windows. Basically it’s what companies use so that Microsoft doesn’t piss them off.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    I wish the IT company we work with used enterprise edition, instead I have to deal with a ton of fuckery that is professional edition in an org with 50 employees, and I do not have the schooling necessary to take over fully.

    Really wish we could just ditch windows altogether every time I find another computer that is using a local login instead of an AD login because they couldn't be bothered to set shit up properly

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Well I tried exactly server edition and for me it would be the best one edition comparing with all modern windows very few network requests only security updates ,predictable behavior of system,start up and shut down of system during 6 seconds.I tested on thinkpad t430 windown server 2025 ,CPU literally chilling 0-5% usage in idle

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  • [–] 41 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    This "subscription" mentality is ruining value for a lot of society but, holy shit, do you ever rake in those huge amounts of monthly cash, for very little work.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago

    It's not our mentality, it's their strategy.

    Wars breed new strategies.

    Sometimes it's free trade as a carrot and embargo as a stick, like with, well, one can try to nail it to Napoleonic wars, but as old as life. Sometimes it's mass production and standardization and ergonomics and scientific industrial design, one can try to nail these to WWII, but also as old as life. And sometimes it's controlled escalation as a way to reach your goals without triggering nuclear response, which one can nail to the Cold War.

    American strategy of the Cold War is being used against world markets, ladies and gentlemen. Together with the previous two strategies mentioned.

    The Soviet one was the opposite, to try to make even the smallest transgression cause firmly the same response, so that controlled escalation wouldn't work, but unfortunately one is founded in human psychology (plus game theory) and the other in rational knowledge (just game theory), the latter always loses. It was called scientific-technical revolution and meant literally its name - instead of gradual escalation, which favors the stronger side, you should create technical means to punch a fatal wound, nothing gradual.

    So - the subscriptions themselves matter very little, they are just slowly transitioning everything big to dependence upon remote components available over the Internet.

    It's funny, actually, so much gradual work, and in the end it'll be just wasted time - even making computers is not magic. State of the art processes could as well be that for most of humanity, but for many purposes Pentium MMX is a good enough computer, and such are not magic.

    And especially making computer software of the kind that's being "metropolized" like this is not magic. Most of it is complex simply because of legacy, backwards compatibility and as a barrier for competitors making alternative implementations.

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  • [–] 38 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Lol it's been great getting off of Windows over the last few months.

    I thought I would miss it, but Proton in Steam has been amazing on Ubuntu, with some exceptions (Stupid EA crap from skate. 2025).

    Dual booting for now is OK, but gaming is pretty garbage anyway, so I will probably abandon Windows entirely soon. Definitely my last version of it. Feel so liberated having hobbies off computer anyway, and now using my computers with Ubuntu is actually enjoyable again instead of driving an expensive spy machine.

    :)

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I had no clue skate didn't work for Linux until I went to play it :'( it was installed and everything. Bummer.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    It shows as installable on Ubuntu in Steam, so I hilariously found out after installing Ubuntu and skate on my gf’s computer only to not be able to play it 😆

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  • [–] 34 points 1 year ago

    I am never abandoning you, Linux

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  • [–] 67 points 1 year ago (13 children)

    I am horrified by what computers have become, from expensive magical tools to solve real problems, to ubiquitous shit-shoveling malware appliances controlled by some of the worst elements of society.

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  • [–] 35 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    Those kinds of computers still exist, it's called Linux.

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  • [–] 33 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    I've never been more appreciative than I am now of the decades of effort that have gone into building this free and open-source operating system.

    Imagine if we were here in 2025, with all the incumbent operating systems going to shit, but in a world where Linux didn't exist and there was no alternative that wasn't owned by a tech giant.

    I don't even want to imagine.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    The alternative alternative existed before Linux and still exists today: BSD

    In a world without Linus Torvalds, all those people who have devoted time and effort into Linux might well have found themselves working / hobbying in the BSD ecosystems instead.

    I think it's almost certain that Linux's niche would have been taken by it. It worked for Apple, after all.

    Or, who knows, maybe GNU Hurd might have become viable.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Sure, if it wasn't Linux then another project may have got the love and attention.

    I'm not glad it was Linux specifically, just glad there is a credible FOSS alternative of some kind, and in our universe that's Linux.

    You might think there's no such world where we wouldn't have had some credible alternative, and as reasonable as that is - because freedom and independence are things people intrinsically want - I'm sure if you flap the butterfly wings enough times there'd be a universe where we all just collectively decided that commercial operating systems were the answer.

    Glad I don't live there.

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  • Yeah. Look at the shitheap we had to settle with when Reddit enshittified beyond redemption. We're really lucky to have such a well-polished alternative to Windows right now, and I think a lot of it boils down to the fact that Windows was awful from the beginning. If a halfway-decent operating system like OS/2 had become the default then we might be really scrambling right now.

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  • I find this alternate timeline incredibly likely. I had a friend in college who was all about SCO Unix back before they went evil, even when Slackware was the go-to distro. We would have a lot more BSD forks out here now, although NextStep (and maybe even OSX) would probably still emerge as one of the better commercial ones.

    As an aside: what I find amusing is that Homebrew is basically BSD Ports, served from a git repo. In 2025, it's a completely insane way to ship OS software to a single platform, but it does work.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Yes, competition is good.

    It is just a problem when the competition is big tech and can ignore everybody else as they get even more money from somewhere else like Azure.

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  • [–] 32 points 1 year ago

    to ubiquitous shit-shoveling malware appliances controlled by some of the worst elements of society.

    Hmmm, I wonder which background economical system we all live in that could explain why every single technology ends up controlled by the top 1% to make our lives more miserable and their profits higher...

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  • [–] 32 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    Dump windows. These megacorps need to fail.

    Edit: I have only been using Linux for less than a year now, and right now, really is the perfect time to switch. I only held onto windows for gaming, and now I use bazzite. There are some games that don't have steam backup, but with the games that do, I can play the same save between my steamdeck and bazzite.

    There is so much more you can do with linux and all it's distros. I've messed around with linux in the past, but never was patient enough to deal with it. Now it's really that easy.

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  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago

    One option is to install an older version and update after.

    A better one is not use it because it's trash.

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