Fuckin welfare states. Pick yourselves up by the bootstraps you fuckin "without us America is nothing" fuck boys. I'm tired of these red states hurting people and still getting handouts.
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So US tax payers are paying for the tariffs. Who would have every guessed?
Paying twice. You pay the tariffs on imported goods and pay again to bailout the local farmers who can't sell their goods overseas.
For this large of a bailout, my groceries should be free.
No, socialism is only for corporations and now farmers too I guess.
It was always for farmers... Capitalism is really bad at sustaining farm output
Capitalism dictates that we only grow food for profit. When it stops being profitable to grow food, we don't grow food, and then (poor) people starve.
This is not a bug; this is a feature.
Oh, no no no... It's so much worse than even that
See, farming massive fields is pretty easy with technology, and with petrochemical fertilizer you can grow in depleted soil. So is keeping livestock, more so if you keep them in cruel conditions
So there's a problem there... And I don't mean the environmental issues. It's too cheap. Farmers would have to sell at a loss
We produce so much food that the farms would all go out of business without intervention.
But the government can't set quotas or control access to the market... That's socialism or something
Instead, the government pays farmers to burn portion of their crop, we put ethanol in gasoline (even though it's a bad idea), the government siezes some of the crop to stockpile and maybe sell (and give you whatever cut they like), we used to ship tons of food overseas through USAID, and so much more
Industrial farming does not play nice with capitalism.
A government handout? Lazy no good farmers taking my taxes. Pull yourself up by your bootstraps. Stop buying Starbucks. And most importantly, stop voting for gop pedophiles.
Bail them out now, and then what? Their international customers aren't coming back if they already found comparable trade partners elsewhere, and the non-billionaires here are tapped out from high food prices. Won't they just need another bailout sooner than later?
It’s actually quite simple. Bail them out now, wait for the midterms. Let the farmers go bankrupt next year so mega corporations buy up their foreclosed fam land. Then the mega corporations and billionaires get to privatize the profits and socialize the loses. There’s no better investment than that.
Yep. They get to "own the libs", but the megacorporations will get to own their farms. Cons are not really great at thinking shit through. Being the emotionally flighty people that they are, but ironically, calling everyone to their left a "snowflake", they are easily manipulated....
I like how "american farmers" sounds like helping the little guy. No. Just another corporate bailout, nothing to see here.
That view is confined to liberals?
this is the problem with politics nowadays. You see it as a left vs right thing, its just divide and conquer against the masses in what is rich vs poor.
exactly. I would rather see all incentives removed and let those companies choke on their land grabs.
No, this is yet another bullshit excuse to feed money to the already wealthy megacorps that are in the Ag business. Small farmers won't get a damn thing, just like last time.
We paid out 20 billion dollars to Argentina, fucked over a bunch of American soy bean farmers in MAGA country and so he's paying them another 10 billion to not turn on him. Cool.
Framers are millionaires. Their farmland the equipment needed to run it is hugely expensive. They voted for bailouts and tax breaks the first time, and that's what they voted for this time. When they weren't getting what they voted for they threatened to turn on him until he gave in. They won't learn anything from this except that they get tax breaks and bailouts from Trump.
While the MAGAt fucks continue to cry about SOCIALISM.
Don't worry 90% of it will go to Cargill, ADM, Tyson, Smithfield, John Deere, and Bayer/Monsanto.
All the remaining small farms will fight over the scraps and then get bought out by one of the first four, depending on what they farm...or be entirely under the thumb of the other two.
That was really the idea all along. Consolidation of wealth and power.
I'm guessing most farmers will be allowed to stay in their homes and manage their fields while the big ag companies take all their yield and pay out a meager salary.
They'll call it "franchise farming" or something catchy, but it's really gonna be Indentured Servants 2.0.
JD Vance has investments in companies that buy out farms from farmers. He says the farms will continue to be run by experts (ie the farmers he bought the farms from)
Indeed! +1 They're circling like vultures while their lobbyists work the politicians.
I think I heard some woman politician on an older podcast episode from Thom Hartmann who was talking about sitting down with conservatives in her state and why they voted for Donvict, even though they knew he would start another trade war that would harm them - they figured he would just bail them out again.
There is a video of a farmer saying the same thing. They knew they would get bailed out.
Last time it cost us $26 billion because of his stupid tariffs. Why can't he just go play golf
It's okay guys, Trump has gained 17 TRILLION from tariffs. Biden? 1 Trillion, Trump, 17 trillion in 8 months! Imagine that!
/dripping with orange sarcasm
They say you have to bury a farmer 10 feet down to prevent their arm from popping out of the ground to collect another handout.
Cause the problem.
Use tax payers money to fix it.
And then he’ll take credit for fixing it.
All those Trump-voting farmers in red states sure hate us blue state folks but they love our money.
A solution for a problem he created.
They should just do this monthly, but have regulations to figure out how people can not abuse it, but then you need offices and checks and balances... Maybe even government agencies....Wait a minute....
Like, all jokes aside, as reckless as this all is, at least maybe they DO get there?
You mean make the US taxpayers pay them instead? Get one of his buddies he had fleece the stock market to the tune of hundreds of billions pay for it. Fuck these guys. I'm not paying federal tax these next four years.
Well, that's probably what the tariffs are for. Pay tribute to Taco via the Taco Tax, and then he gets to dole it out as favors to buy votes for the conservatives.
Hire a Trump, get rekt.
I think their business plan, such as it is, is hire the guy to disrupt the lives of everyone, including destroying their own livelihoods, but he'll bail them out. Everyone else can get fucked. Science and technology - destroyed. Institutional norms, democratic morality, (real) free speech, freedom of religion, the right to vote - all wiped away. But women, POC, immigrants, liberals will all be put in their "place", which may involve a literal grave for some and imprisonment/torture for others.
I'm sure most of it is rooted in racism when it all boils down....because none of it makes any fucking sense and racism is inherently very irrational. These people will not have their lives made better by Taco.
Farming used to be just hard work. Now with things like Monsanto trademarking crops so farmers need to buy new seed every year or john deere making it illegal to repair their tractors so you need to go directly through them, farmers are feeling the greedy pinch of enshittification. Suddenly hard work alone is not enough to just survive as a farmer. Now take a blowhard like Trump telling them how much "illegals" and other "others" are the cause of their sad existence and they just hop right on that train.
I mean, some of the most radicalization happened because of how farmers were getting fucked by banks, and by various combines, and so a lot of them started doing stuff like collective action.
I think the book What's the Matter With Kansas? even goes over some of this history. But I think as most family farms went bust, most of America went urban between 1910-1920, that kind of collective action was almost predetermined to get squashed. And the people holding out buy into a whole lotta Hollywood-style myth-making about rural life (ironically). Couple that with a lot of propaganda and racism and it spells the current situation.
Ironically, on the enshittification front, it was progressives that I first noticed pushing the "right to repair" stuff, by the way. Same with the stuff about patenting genetics of seeds...
Ironically, on the enshittification front, it was progressives that I first noticed ….
Yes, back to the face-eating leopard party. A huge logic gap as one of the many reasons we can no longer understand each other.
- Unsatisfied with the guys not doing enough to make your life better? Burn it all down assuming you can walk through the flames unharmed.
- Don’t like being in a bad spot? Destroy all attempts to help you, with the expectation it will hurt those people more and you’ll be ok because you are one of the “good ones”.
Nah they voted this fully knowing they’d both get hurt by these policies, then get a bailout that would a net positive for them.

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