Vermont?
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Seattle, one hopes, is still green and bookish
Seattle has its own racism problem unfortunately
If you think Seattle's race relations are on the same level or even close to any red state then I sincerely doubt you've ever left Seattle or been to a red state.
There are racist people literally everywhere but not everywhere makes a culture out of being racist.
Thanks for letting me know. Haven't been there in a few years, sad to hear it.
Against any particular group?
From my observations, and from what I have been told from people of this group in seattle, mostly african americans. You'd have to hear from other marginalized groups for more info as I am not familiar with their experience. It's less of the explicitly violent and threatening racism you see in the south and more of the "you're so articulate" style of racism. Lots of pearl clutching and car door locking if you know what I mean.
Isn't this just universal in America? This sounds like liberal racism, not republicans
Yes but it is particularly common in the PNW
That's the kind I'm used to, having grown up in that area. It's shitty, but has it changed in the last ten years? My area was north Seattle, where it's always been an issue.
I'm a couple hours north of Seattle, and the PNW is crawling with the Proud Boy type. I was doing memory care for people with downs syndrome and dementia, and we had to get the cops involved because somebody was prowling around the facility with a rifle slung over his back during the first trump presidency.
It's the same problems it's always had, but trump has deffo turned the volume up.
Gag me with a spoon. Sorry you had to handle that. You're right though, it's far worse everywhere.
I mean that's true but that's not Seattle. I live in Kirkland which is home of the "everyone is welcome" signs in people's yards right next to the "keep the character of Kirkland alive" signs. Which are basically liberal speak for stopping affordable housing projects because they don't want black and brown people to move in.
Seattle has a mix of those kind of neighborhoods but is extremely diverse and leftist in other neighborhoods.
To your point about outside of the Seattle area it's basically like every other Blue state. The farther you go from the city the more you find the Conservatives that make their entire character be centered around being a Conservative in a Blue state. But those idiots are waaay to afraid to go into the city. They are absolute losers that target minorities when they can find a time and place to do so that no one will actually give them what they'd get in Seattle. A face full of bear spray (or worse).
I was going to move to Portland but I hear it's a war zone lol
Yeah? Sounds like that's where people on the right side are needed, then.
Portland is a great city. I've been living in the UK for almost 4 years now and I've never been to a bookshop as good as Powell's, and the food there is at least twice as good as it ought to be, for what they charge.
I feel like if you think Seattle fits the description of around trees that you just haven't ever been around trees before lol. It doesn't mean a couple sadly embedded in the sidewalk it means like as far as you can see
Perhaps you think I meant south of Lake Union. Understandable mistake. In north Seattle you can't sneeze without getting a tree wet. I spent most of my time in those parts.
I grew up just north of Seattle in Bothell only just recently moved out to the coast bit south of Aberdeen I have learned the meaning of tree lol. If I stand the top a large elevation I struggle to find buildings my vision is nothing but trees and Hills I feel like that's more what the post is talking about.
I live surrounded by tree as far as the eye can see in all directions, it's very much republican County though lol
These places exist, but they are expensive as fuuuuuuuuck
Vermont.
Pacific Northwest and certain parts of the northeast
If you live in the city or directly adjacent this is true, but it gets republican really fast once you get a bit more into the trees.
Depends on the area. North Central WA for example is lots of Republicans but lots of Hippies too. I remember hearing an elderly granola looking lady complaining to her friend that the feds busted her whole grow-op. Southern Oregon can be like that: MAGA on one property but the Neighbors are Deadheads wearing tie dye
Oregon was originally founded as an all-white state. The PNW has lots of racists and they all live in the stix since they think Portland and Seattle are portals to Hell.
And as far as the Northeast is concerned, I think only Vermont has rural areas that aren't MAGA.
bunch of rural racists, mixed suburbs at best
East of the cascades it's all racism. But to the west I didn't encounter it much. But that may just be an anecdotal comparison to the actual shit holes I have lived in where racism thrived rather than lurked.
I traveled all over Oregon and Washington after living in the southeast.
What you say holds true but to a lesser degree than true red areas.
A lot of the people who consider themselves conservative would be relentlessly bullied for being a liberal if they moved to an actual red area.
It's funny because their utopian views of conservative areas mirrored my utopian view of Seattle when I lived in a conservative shit hole.
Outside of a college town.
Not always true, Kent (home of Kent State University) is bright red. I live a little ways south of Kent and I drive thru there a few times a year to visit a friend, every time I go through there it's maga merch everywhere.
I want to complain about the percentage of freshman and sophmore CS majors that are hardcore right-wingers because of Musk and Zukerberg and gamergate.
The I-5 corridor of the Pacific Northwest.
Idk about the Washington part but the Oregon part would be Jefferson, so not exactly progressive, until you hit the Willamette valley which I've never been to but assume it's like the central valley here in CA and full of the most annoying conservatives constantly complaining about the big cities.
Eugene is in the Wallamette Valley and is a historically progressive city (despite it's origins), especially for LGBTQ+ people and communities. It's home to the University of Oregon which has a fairly diverse student body and faculty. Lots of "everybody is welcome" signs in shop windows, "hate has no home here" signs in people's yards.
Hop across the river and you're in Springfield, which is another story. Kind of a Tale of Two Cities thing. Much less wealth along with all the problems that tend to follow.
Live next to some bears, they'll keep the conservatives away.
From my experience in Slovenia, there are many Janezek fans and chauvinists everywhere but the capital (Ljubljana). In my whole life I met two people, who I consider actual leftists (excluding myself), one is my high school sociology professor (we call them professors instead of teachers, probably because most of our school's dildos will never seek decent higher education) and the other one lives in Ljubljana (hm).
But for some reason, we still have a government majority of mostly fanatics, who call themselves center left (they still did some competent things even if they are the democrats of Slovenia), the right wing party and their fans, with a minority of the actual left, who are still loosing popularity.
Edit: This is my shitty unnecessary rant I started, because I wanted to mention, that no country is actually different. Most people are sadly very right wing and the leftists and minorities can't really do anything about our rights being taken away, because the 200 year old laws still aren't updated to accommodate us.
Asheville and Boone NC
Those might be nice towns but at this point I'm staying away from any MAGA states, regardless of whether they have islands of sanity in them.
There's some spots in the big nyc parks where you're surrounded by trees and can pretend you're not in a big city. That's all I've got.
Outside the city it gets surprisingly conservative sometimes. I knew someone who had family north of Albany, and their neighbor flew a confederate flag. Probably a maga flag now.
Thats the problem, on average rurally living folks tend to be more conservative.
I think they mean really middle of nowhere, as in there's nobody around
So... maybe Wyoming, on the fringes of Yellowstone? Or northern Idaho? Those might be the most sparsely populated forest areas I know about.
I'd say Alaska but it's so remote that basic materials are very expensive.
The Michigan upper peninsula is pretty remote too but I don't think I could handle the winters.
Also "it's hard because it's like how to get out of a place filled with only trees and Republicans?"
Send help.
Houseless (Van Life) deep in a forest works pretty well for me
How....do you have internet? Van life seems so appealing but also so scary.
Cellular or Starlink are your only options, unless you include none (meaning libraries or public wifi).
Mostly cell signal. I have a painter's pole that I put an omni-directional antenna on and an amplifier if need be but, most of the places I find that meet my other criteria (open enough for good solar, not recently logged etc) have a 4 out of 5 bars of either LTE or 5G service which is good enough for my needs. Was thinking about Starlink but can't easily get past the Elon connection...even now that the hardware cost just halved.
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