Who has the video when she was doing a rally for her campaign and protester said free Palestine and she shut them down ?
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Yeah, we know. Those folks are just reminding you, why.
And wow, Trump is so much better than Harris would have been for Gaza!
Gaza was a stupid cause to get hung up on, I am not saying it isn't important, it is extremely important, but letting the cheeto win just to spite Harris for not supporting Gaza enough was stupid
Oh, I am with you, friend. Unfortunately, being on the same side as him, just "not as bad", definitely didn't do her campaign any favors. Especially among low information voters, who are really just taking everyone at their word. While Trump was boldly asserting himself as anti-war, Harris was just giving vague, wishy-washy answers, that relied on far too much nuance. American voters don't like to think that hard.
They should invent some kind of an intermediary layer between the voters and the elections to ensure that demagoguery and sensationalism cannot prevail. That would fix everything.
/s for the kids who skipped civics
I agree on the sarcasm of it not working one bit, but that layer should also have been completely irrelevant, the real problem is that Trump is a sociopathic criminal that was never arrested for his crimes. Not even when he attempted a coup.
A fucking traitor, who was allowed to run again, despite it was clearly illegal, and he should have been in prison.
Seen from Europe the problem is not just that Trump was elected, it's the complete failure throughout American society to stop him.
The judicial failed, congress failed, and the people failed.
Also the democratic process within the Republican party failed, where they have turned away completely from traditional Republican, American and democratic values. AND we saw similar problems in the democratic party with Biden not stepping down as promised, and back when Bernie was running.
Problem is that the entire system AND the majority of the population are toxic, and Trump is allowed to act way outside the scope of his presidential powers, and clearly contrary to the constitution without being stopped.
The roundup of immigrants and detainment without seeing a judge, and being sent to prison in foreign countries alone, is violation of the constitution on 3 counts. Yet it is allowed to continue!?!?!
Hundy p. Aside from the sanity-thin norms holding back the American empire from pure naked tyranny, the whole thing was built on slaves and stolen land, and still is through the 13th amendment.
I was one of the kids who was raised to an ideal of inclusivity and egalitarianism that has never existed in the real America. I left, and now find myself an immigrant from a place that doesn't seem to exist. Sometimes I feel like a cryptid or something.
I was one of the kids who was raised to an ideal of inclusivity and egalitarianism that has never existed in the real America.
Absolutely true, but in the 70's at least there was hope, things seemed to generally move in the right direction more often than not.
Then it slowed down with Reagan, and with Trump it has all gone to shit.
All countries have problems with racism, but no other democracy has as big a social and cultural debt as USA.
You mean the electoral college? It would probably have worked if we hadn't broken it by choosing electors by popular vote instead of having them appointed by state legislatures.
If you truly believe "Gaza was a stupid cause to get hung up on" then what's your justification for her continued support of the genocide occurring there?
You act like people are stupid for making a big deal about it, while failing to give a reason why she felt it was a big enough deal to support even if it meant letting Trump win the presidency yet again.
Palestine has been a bipartisan bad take for the US the whole time. Any single issue is a bad issue to get hung up on. "Lines in the sand" are a fragmentary psy-op to get you to ignore the big picture.
Yes, every big deal is a big deal, but there are hundreds of big deals. Taking a stance on this one didn't make it any better, arguably made it worse, and also let a whole lot of other big deals get bigger.
Single-issue voting is how we got in this mess in the first place. We aren't going to single-issue vote our way out of it.
There's a difference between intentionally torpedoing peace talks and outright arming and funding a genocide against a civilian population.
Democrats have been shitty for the country for a long time, but now the mask is off and people are seeing through the virtue signaling, false promises, and outright lies. This may be a single issue, but its the straw that broke the camel's back for a lot of people and it's one issue in a sea of issues the Democrats are on the wrong side of.
We didnt get into this mess by voting on single issues. We got into it by continually electing people who are using their positions for personal gain and the gain of their wealthy donors above all else. That's the bipartisan issue. Both parties work for the same people and it isn't us. The political fights broadcast on TV and social media are just a smoke screen to make people believe we have two opposing parties, but it turns out the real opposing parties are the American people and the wealthy.
We didnt get into this mess by voting on single issues. We got into it by continually electing people who are using their positions for personal gain and the gain of their wealthy donors above all else.
Single issues are exactly how those people manipulate your vote.
None, but with her the US would not be destroying itself as quickly, and USAID would still be a functional agency.
I try to be a realist, and looking at Trumps regime, I don't see Harris causing more harm in total.
You make statements like "with her the US would not be destroying itself as quickly" and wonder why she didn't win the election?
You don't see the irony in saying "you must vote for either the slow destruction or the fast destruction of the country because if you don't, you're supporting the destruction of the country." How about people take their partisan blinders off already and see that limiting yourself to these two choices is what's destroying the country.
I don't wonder why she didn't win, the US citizens had two alternatives.
- An educated, experienced, boring politician.
- An unhinged lunatic.
The US citizens picked the lunatic.
Way to quickly back track and deflect from your last comment.
I also find it funny that everyone defending Harris and the DNC for running a train wreck of a campaign and handing the country over to Trump eventually comes around to admitting they don't even live in the US despite their strong opinions and insight into US politics.
I try to be a realist
You realists sure do tend to lose elections. But hey, maybe you'll get enough republican votes to win next time, eh?
Genocide is NOT a stupid cause to get hung up on. It is literally the worst crime that can be committed.
More than 90% of Democrats believe that there's a genocide happening, and they want it to stop.
Politicians are supposed to LEAD their constituents, not follow. Kamala has no North Star, so she was doomed from the start.
The best thing she could have done was take Walz's lead, but the donor class swiftly shut that shit down.
You tell me if we have a functioning democracy
letting the cheeto win
When will you bootlickers understand that SHE let him win? Her job was to represent her constituents, instead she decided to represent Israel. She decided to support genocide instead of us ffs.
Yes voters, propaganda, and online influence campaigns specifically designed to help trump win literally had zero power. That's when Russia helped trump win the first time, everyone knew it totally didn't matter at all /s
You literally cannot comprehend the notion of a politician needing to appeal to their voters in order to win.
The fact is Russia wouldn't have had such an easy time if kamala wasn't loudly saying "Fuck you, fuck your beliefs, I stand with the oligarchy and genocide."
It's a politicians job first and foremost to win elections. Stop blaming voters, all you are doing is enabling the Dems to act like idiots.
Yes the real problem is a tiny handful of assholes and definitely not millions of morons
For the record I'm blaming non voters and online propagandists mainly. You know, what you're trying to create?
The tiny handfuls of assholes were in charge of the platform they ran.
It's also weird to say "the few supporting genocide aren't the bad ones, it's the ones that can't overlook it that are at fault".
If you keep blaming anyone's but the ones on charge, the dems will try to walk the line between us and Israel next election too, and they will lose again.
The election is over, now is when it's the time to be critical of them! Stop giving them an easy pass for the complete shitshow they pulled.
It's our jobs as voters to be informed. Being informed means understanding the impact of your vote. That's an entirely separate issue from putting pressure on politicians to do the right thing. We should be doing that, but not at the expense of destroying society, which is what's happening now.
putting pressure on politicians to do the right thing
Essentially, the only time you can put real pressure is when you vote.
i don't think abstaining was necessarily the right move, shortsighted but not immoral.
More importantly, now that it's over, bitching about the voters exercising their right over fucking genocide of all things, instead of the corrupt pieces of shit that actually forced the genocide issue is simply insane imo.
What's funny is all the absolute and complete morons that chant 'you have to vote for genocide, just ignore it next time' are the same that question how the right could vote for a convicted felon and pedo.
The fact is, the party has to change, it's not up to voters to accept genocide. The fault lies enteriely on them for making it a voting issue in the first place.
And if they don't change because half the base is ready to blame someone else, then they will lose again.
You fucking people always think you can vote third party and not fuck the country but that never has panned out
You fucking people think you can railroad the voters and still have an enthusiastic electorate willing to vote for whatever you order them to.
I think not voting third party is stupid. I also think abstaining is as well.
The root cause of the issue is still the Democrats platform last election and the complete alienation of their voters which led to a low turnout.
We wouldn't have Trump currently if they had just told Israel to pound sand. Killing civilians was more important then winning an election apparently. Lucky them, they have a convenient scape goat so they can do it all again in a few years
Ah yes, the magical "let's withhold our votes and yell". That has always showed them. Or maybe it did... once?
Nope.
No one is dumber than a third party voter.
Kamala had momentum before the DNC because she was choosing progressive partners like Tim Walz and seemed to be diverging from Biden.
Then she gave her DNC speech, and locked in her policies as Biden 2.0.
Sure Russia helped, but Harris holds the most blame as to why she lost.
Trump never supported us. Wtf are you talking about?
Bootlicker?
Wow, you don't know anything about me.
Gaza was a stupid cause to get hung up on
For not supporting Gaza enough
I see you. I see the language you use, trying your hardest to avoid the word genocide. Trying your hardest to blame anything but the dems blatant and unpopular support for a foreign warmongering state. You are either a zionist or a useful idiot.
We need to demand better from the "good" political party, not offer them an easy scapegoat. Stop enabling them.
Ok, since we are doing stupid wordplay.
You can quote me on this:
Israel is at this moment perpetuating a genocide in Gaza, this is the truth.
Also if I never made it clear, I am not American, I am a Swede who strongly believes in the social democratic ideology.
That being said, not voting Harris in the last (?) US election was stupid for those who support Gaza (as you should).
Genocide was a stupid cause to get hung up on
Here's your original comments with the proper terms used. Do you understand how much of lunatic you sound like?
Genocide is a stupid cause to get hung up on? Really?
Thank you for putting it more eloquent than I would have.
Holy shit asshat, you seem to be assuming how I voted.
I voted for kamala, the problem is I felt like shit doing it. The problem is she ran such a worthless disgusting campaign a lot of people didn't show up. But how can I blame them and not her, when she and the rest of the party CHOSE genocide over their us.
All you are doing is ENABLING them to do it again, blaming the voters does nothing other then benefitting Israel.
The party needs to realign themselves if they want to have a chance. With the fuckery being done, they need a record turn out and they won't get it by being Israel's lapdog. Scapegoating literally harms our chances next election, because it gives them a green light to try their hardest to lose.
I am not shaming anyone for voting, that's the difference between us. Reread my comment, I'm literally one of those people.
I'm shaming the party for giving voters such a shit choice. I'm shaming people who keep blaming anyone but that same party because the media and a couple of Israeli bots told them too.
Blaming voters serves nothing except making sure the Dems lose the next elections.
Edit: deleted two paragraphs because I was being rude.
You arent blaming the cause but the reaction.
The situation only existed because the Democratic party made literally the worst decisions, and they were either heavily influenced, blackmailed into doing it or were bribed to do it.
I want change, I'm not sure what attacking regular folks does (most of them probably stupid tbh). You don't get change by giving the element that needs to change a scape goat, if you get my drift.
You don't need to get angry at me btw. At least get angry at the people who thought genocide was more important then you and your trans sister.
It's a politicians job to listen to their constituents. If they can't move their base to the booths, they lose. That's how politics works.
I guess I should be defending you really.
I'm guessing if you get a baseball to the face, you blame the ball and not the guy who threw it.
Its a bit ironic, I feel like the person in the conversation who can't understand how politics or cause and effect works is the real idiot here.
Swearing and petty insults is usually a sign you don't have any arguments. You haven't actually said something new in a while or responded to what I'm saying. I'm mostly just entertaining myself here.
What makes you think she would be any different from Trump on Palestine? Everything Trump is doing right now is a continuation of the Biden-Harris policy of letting Israel commit genocide with absolutely no pushback.
That is EXACTLY my point!
She probably wouldn't be any different, but she would be remarkably different on US policies, immigration, trans care, USAID.
People who refused to vote for Harris, you forgot about the biggest fact in politics, you never vote for the best candidate, you vote for the lest bad candidate.
No one will be able to convince me that Harris wasn't the least bad candidate between her and Trump.
I absolutely despise trump. With that said, I hope we never see her as president. She's insanely out of of touch with the common folk. I'd much rather see AOC or that Texas democrat dude with the ears
I will take any functioning adult who I can not easily visualize mentally as a 1940's German officer.
... so ... umm.... Trump?
I dunno mate Hitler was proper crazy by my understanding of history.
Sure, but also a war veteran of one of the shittiest wars in history. I'm not excusing the man's action (fucking obviously I hope), just saying that Trump and fellas have experienced nothing even remotely like that. Even the guys who have participated in US "wars" haven't.
There’s this whole slew of Americans who want ranked choice voting and just can’t articulate or perhaps even fathom that that’s what they want.
Ditto. She would have made a terrible president. My mind was made when she didn’t ask for a recount. I hope we don’t see her in 2028. I hope we make it to 2028..
What has Kamala said or done in the last 9 months to fight the fascist regime? Has she called for people to get on the streets and protest or called for a general strike? No, shes done fuck all except write a book full of excuses for losing from her Bel Air mansion. And you're over here defending it, its pathetic.
Because the current regime is worse does not make her stance better. They have not done anything that Biden did not or would not do, and she promised to continue what he was doing.
Genocide is, or at least should be, a very clear moral issue. Either you are against it, or for it. There is no middle ground. There are more people on the liberal side who are willing to hold to their morals. They did not try to garner their base, they tried to garner the billionaires and republicans who were not fully on board with trump. Any idiot could have told them that those republicans would vote republican in the end any way. In addition, the dems rigged three primaries in a row dating back to Bernie in 2016. Biden got elected because Trump absolutely fucked covid. No one was voting for him because they thought he was a great candidate. He promised to be a one term president. That was his main line in 2020.
2024 would have been a great time for him to step aside. He didnt. The dems did not ask for any vote to replace him in the run in, they just said here's your choice. She did nothing but say she would continue doing everything he had done. The dems sold out themselves and the country to the billionaire class. People were mad about that. All they did was say they would keep doing it.
Even now, they do nothing but say "oh my gosh how can we stop this"
They enabled this to happen, and are now trying to say look we told you so, even when their own policies have shifted far to the right.
There is no liberal or left wing party in the US. In most civilized countries, the Republicans would be considered far right extremists, and democrats would be considered right wing.
But again, if genocide is not a place you draw the line, it is very unlikely that you will draw the line at democracy.
Kamala Harris being a corrupt, genocidal moron is why Trump won in 2024. Trump didn't win, the Democratic elites gifted the election to Trump by nominating such an evil person.
Not surprising after she banned Gazan supporters and a local Democrat legislator at her own DNC rally.
Absolute garbage mound of a candidate and campaign that completely deserves to be thrashed by the very constituency she refused to acknowledge.
Bunch of you failure shills in this comments still thinking this was a progressive candidate need to look at literally any of her responses to questions about public policy. Nothing but a 1:1 copy of Biden's equally shit tier response to major internal and external issues, and very obviously way more right leaning than Obama.
I still remember some of you outright denying the existence of Gaza protestors at DNC events, as if any news outlet reporting it was a Russian compromised asset, and any user on lemmy.world supporting such action was a lemmy.ml Chinese spam bot in disguise.
Quite frankly anybody that's still defending the Democratic Party and the AIPAC-driven Harris 2024 campaign sounds more like a bot than any of the real people I talk about politics with every day who absolutely despise both Trump and the feckless, centrist Dems.
Ah yeah, good thing we got all that but way worse with how people voted.
Domestically, yeah he's worse, he's literally an authoritarian fascist dictator.
For Gaza? Biden was literally worse. He was way more outspoken in his support for Israel, he never showed compassion for Palestinians, and he called himself a proud Zionist constantly. Not to mention he spent WAY MORE of your tax dollars on military support to them.
Like it's not even close, $28 billion vs Trump's $16. And you're still repeating the same bullshit...

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