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[–] [M] 306 points 1 year ago* (3 children)
  • [–] 172 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    As both a Canadian and an American, yes please. Nothing good comes out of MAGA.

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  • [–] 110 points 1 year ago

    Yes, please.

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  • [–] 37 points 1 year ago

    I think everyone should. that's the whole point of having a decentralized federation system: different people on different instances can decide what's to Nazi for them to tolerate. Not like Xitter where one dude decides what's the acceptable level of Nazi everyone should see every day.

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  • [–] 107 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

    Fuck them. Lemmy is Canadian.

    MAGA, the people who want to make Canada their 51st state, can fuck right off.

    However, I do find it funny these "American patriots" feel they need to use Canadian servers to exercise their free speech. Their Orange god is completely against free speech. They should embrace that instead.

    Edit: Sorry. I misunderstood how this maga place this was hosted when I made the comment. I thought it was on lemmy.ca but I see now how it's hosted and shared.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    However, I do find it funny these "American patriots" feel they need to use Canadian servers to exercise their free speech.

    Canadian servers? what do you mean? fedidb does not show server location to me

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago

    You're correct.

    The A record for the domain name maga.place resolves to 216.144.226.200, which is under the 216.144.226.0/24 prefix of AS36352 (HostPapa). The prefix being used is registered to madgenius.com, which is a hosting provider registered in the United States. Curiously, that provider even has their own ASN (AS55154) that's not being used here.

    It's also a shared IP address. The address itself resolves to suportefiscal.aptosclinica.com.br. when you perform a reverse lookup.

    As for the domain name itself, a quick whois lookup points to Namecheap. The MX records corroborate this, pointing to registrar-servers.com.

    In any case, the server itself is hosted in Virginia. The hosting provider used is an American company either owned by or reselling services from a Canadian company.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago

    This is a 1-day-old account and they also said "Lemmy is Canadian", so I'm presuming that they think that defederation means to remove this like it were a community.

    Although even so they aren't wrong: federation with Lemmy.ca means to help spread their messages using Canadian servers:-).

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    However, I do find it funny these "American patriots" feel they need to use Canadian servers to exercise their free speech.

    No, actually they have their own server which is maga.place.

    In the Fediverse, independent servers automatically synchronize with each other to publish their content. However, it is possible to cut the link with another server to avoid its publications from showing up on our own server.

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  • [–] 35 points 1 year ago

    any instance they label themselves maga are usually up to no good, its a launch point for trolling/russian backed propaganda.

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  • [–] 35 points 1 year ago

    Kill it before it lays eggs..!

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  • [–] 32 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    They are heavily moderating and removing any counter argument. So: YES, defederate!

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  • [–] 32 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    ArtemZ

    FYI, their single mod/admin uses slav name Artem + Z letter associated with pride in russian modern war efforts. I don't think it's genuine. Probably a prep for some concern trolling campaign in the future or whatever that was discovered (c/antifa) by a shitposter, or, I suppose, their alt persona for different usecases.

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  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago

    Get them the fuck out of here

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  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago

    I don't think there's any value associating with racists, sexists, homophobes, transphobes, or traitors.

    So, yes.

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  • [–] 77 points 1 year ago*

    Yes, this shouldn’t even be a discussion. There’s no room at the table for fascists.

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  • [–] 53 points 1 year ago

    I vote yes.

    We don’t need to federate with a safe space for spreaders of hate and conspiracy theories.

    At worst, that instance will become another Grad with trolls that piss everyone off. At best, it’ll be a cluster of people and content I’m just going to block anyway.

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  • [–] 52 points 1 year ago

    Yes please, no point in taking any chances.

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  • [–] 25 points 1 year ago*

    No one should ever tolerate intolerance.

    Yes, get them the fuck away from us.

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  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Guy from US here ... This is our cancer .. get away from the stupid .

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  • [–] 45 points 1 year ago

    Yep. Fuck em

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago

    Uhh... duh? Is that even a question? Of course we should ditch the chuds LMAO

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago

    Yes, please.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago*

    Is the sky blue? This is why the fediverse exists.

    Although it would be jumping the gun a bit too soon, you have to let them incriminate themselves. Give them a few weeks and enjoy watching them wasting their time trying to appear to be good faith participants. Then clamp down on them hard when the inevitable hate starts spewing out. Be quite upfront about what you are doing, in fact warn them and their users they will likely be defederated in the future due to the expected devolution of discourse from anyone identifying themselves as such.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    B-B-BuT tHe ToLeRaNt LeFt!!!

    It's not now or never, but why wait?

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago

    No censorship? Does that mean the rest of us can go in there and shit on their terrible opinions?

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  • [–] 35 points 1 year ago (13 children)

    The paradox of tolerance is a philosophical concept suggesting that if a society extends tolerance to those who are intolerant, it risks enabling the eventual dominance of intolerance; thereby undermining the very principle of tolerance.

    • Wikipedia
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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    How do you determine the threshold for when it can no longer be tolerated? How do you put this into use without being the very thing you are trying to eliminate?

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Maybe it’s difficult to establish a precise threshold, but Nazis in general and MAGA in particular are way beyond any reasonable one.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    How do you identify Nazis or MAGA, and what level of violence is appropriate to stop them?

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    Probably when they weaponize tolerance of their intolerance to further their intolerance and cause objective harm.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Popper says it's when they resort to "fist or pistol" to advance their agenda. That's how you know, when they actually resort to violence.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Visiting the server is confusing. The only MAGA bullshit i can see is the title and logo, the sole account has posted all antifa and "hard left" content as well as being a \c\antifa moderator.

    Maybe it's a legitimate "hard left" or maybe it's a wierd attempt at a false flag "the left is our enemy" construction.

    Could someone more knowledgeable on US politics, with more articulate critical skills than me, give a more detailed breakdown of this content structure?

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago

    It looks like there are only 3 communities; a meta for the server, Israel, and ANTIFA. The server owner created the first two and the antifa one is created by a troll who has made most of the posts on the server with the single exception of one post the server owner made to the meta community (an RIP charlie kirk post).

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago

    Fuck the magats and their orange narcissist god. Canada doesn't need to have ANY association with them and their trade war against us.

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    Should Lemmy.ca defederate from a Nazi instance? Yes. Let's not have their fascist propaganda leak into our instances.

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  • [+] -6 points 1 year ago* (6 children)

    Curious. I just a quick scan on their instance and see no Nazi stuff. Got any examples?

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    They deleted one of the communities that had a rainbow confederate flag with Nazi swastikas on it.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago

    Yes! Let them be pariahs if they're going to spout that shit

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I thought it was a parody instance.

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    I would. That's the advantage of federated social media. They're welcome to their little corner of bullshit, and rest of us don't have to listen.

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    Yes lol, lemmy shouldn't be accepting of these kinds of people. Accepting fascists onto your site is how your site gets ruined for the marginalized groups who have made it their home. It doesn't matter how civil they pretend to be, don't give them an inch

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  • [–] 45 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    Defederate from 1 user? 🤣

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  • [–] [S] 66 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    It’s always good to self contain problems before they get worse.

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  • [–] 32 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Yep, and let’s not forget that MAGA started as a fringe movement… it’s like some people still refuse to fucking learn.

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  • [+] 11 points 1 year ago* (5 children)
  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    I wouldn't call him a faith-based movement so much as a populist movement. He just happened to have some talking points that overlapped with the faith-based movements, and he leaned into those to gain his market share. That isn't what I would call a defense of faith-based movements, either, more a reference of causation vs. correlation.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    To be fair, there's @fuckamerica@maga.place that's been a real trooper on that instance and posting anti-fascist stuff all over the place. The whole instance has been flooded by them lol!

    Maybe that's what we should do, just turn it into an anti-Maga instance by flooding it with anti-fascist posts and comments.

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    [–] 18 points 1 year ago

    Do it before it's too late.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    yeeehuuupppp

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    Isolate them

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago* (1 child)
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    I don't get that place. It looks like there are 2 users, and the mod is posting lefty articles and the admin seems to be in opposition to that coming from the right.

    example: https://maga.place/post/1084

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    All the posted content is antifascist or anarchist leftish stuff. Seems like the first user has decided to make this MAGA site as offputting as possible to actual MAGA, or to attempt to expose them to saner views. If it becomes a real MAGA space then defederate, and in the meantime pass the popcorn.

    On second thoughts, just block it.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    Looks like it.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    Fuck yeah! Let them stew in their own cesspool.

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