That's great, but we shouldn't have to rely on the graciousness of a football player to find justice.
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What amazes me most about this article is that the US justice system so broken that such a foundation has a reason to exist.
Well at least youre not reading this on /c/upliftingnews as if anything about this situation is good. I always found articles like this (or "Billionaire hands out free sack lunches to starving orphans") posted there to be quite infuriating.
The original headline doesn't mention that he was hanging from a tree, which is bullshit. It changes what people understand from what happened. Could it have been suicide? Maybe, but I doubt it.
This is from 2020
What was the original headline?
I dunno, it's good it wasn't in the headline? It'd have been clickbait - the article makes it clear this is suspected suicide but that the police / FBI are keeping open minds because of the obvious connotations.
Suicide by hanging is unfortunately a common method taken by young men. The lack of any other signs makes foul play unlikely - without going into too much detail, unless he was drugged there would be signs of a struggle or injuries related to being restrained if it had been foul play. It sounds like there weren't obvious signs of either and the toxicology results are awaited.
the article makes it clear this is suspected suicide but that the police / FBI are keeping open minds because of the obvious connotations.
Just so you know, the cops have said quite specifically they don't think it was anything but suicide.
Its also a heavily racist area and no one should trust cops in the first place, making for a bad combo. Thats why the family will want an autopsy from someone independent of the police.
I'd like to know where on the property this tree is. Was this in some quiet corner where he's unlikely to be interrupted, or out in front of the building where the public is going to see it?
https://maps.app.goo.gl/xkZSySTvTQ9iai7G9
Seems to be there. At night, you could probably either hang yourself or someone else and not be noticed or interrupted. I don't think it really signifies either way.
On one hand I'm glad this is actually going to get some attention and answers.
On the other hand, I'm pissed that 1) it has to be a rich private citizen to get it done, and 2) this story didn't even make it a whole day in the news cycle because a cut-and-dry murder of a fascist was--and still is--more important.
Is an autopsy independent? I have no idea how that even works, but i wouldn't trust it at all if the police has any way to get their fat fingers in between the autopsy and the results.
It's done by an independent person with no connection to any branch of government or police.
Who is elected, and typically runs with the support of a political party.
Yes the government does an autopsy and your concerns absolutely apply. However, the family is free to do a followup autopsy with whomever they wish. That's what this funding is for.
How much could an autopsy really cost?
A couple thousand dollars.
Are you assuming or do you know? Do coroner surgeons really get paid that much for a few hours work? How many tests are performed?
Bro, it's healthcare. The coroners aren't getting paid that, the hospital is. And yes, a Google search puts it between free (for criminal cases the state is pursuing) to a few thousand dollars for private autopsies.
$3000-$10,000, depending on tests required, but in this case they would only be interested in evidence of defensive wounds or trauma caused by someone else.
I found a place in Colorado that does private autopsies for the entire continental US: https://www.postmortempath.com/
I verified they're a real business. Here's an excerpt from their FAQ:
How much does an autopsy cost?
A private autopsy generally runs between $3000 to $5000, depending on the company that you use and how many additional tests and procedures you wish to be performed.
Gosh, if only we had some sort of object at our fingertips that would let us look up information like that in an instant… perhaps something that could even let us look at several different sources to compare information…
Because the internet said so? I can't imagine it costing anything else.
10 dollars?
Bout tree fiddy
Can we not do the Reddit thing where it's a race to post the funniest comment on even the heaviest topics, drowning out serious discussions?
Dumb jokes are my coping mechanism for the ever-growing darkness that is slowly consuming my country and my soul.
Can we not do the thing where we complain about innocent comments that annoy us just to get our domaine instead of just blocking the user and never having to see it again?
"A little bit of litter is no big deal; who cares if we make a shared space worse?"
You’re making the shared space worse.
As I said to the other user:
Some people dislike litter more than they dislike people pointing out litter, and some feel the opposite. You are in the latter category.
Let me point out your littering.
It's definitely a stance to take, saying that complaining about anything is awful. It's not a very sensible stance, but you're welcome to it.
Gotta say, i prefer a South Park reference to your whining about said reference.
...who's really stinking up the joint, in this scenario?
You.
You're making a personal attack out of me asking someone not to Reddit our Lemmy.
"Our" lemmy. And yet, you don't speak for me. Interesting.
Conservatives: Kaepernick paid the coroner to say it was murder
(they said the same with George Floyd’s autopsy)
There are some angels in this place
The white people lynching black people are ALL christians. All of the KKK are christians, that's a christian only organization. MAGA is christian. Yes, real christians. German nazis were christians. Italian nazis were catholic. It's not new.
Stop supporting religion. All of it. Immediately. Religion is the cause of all of this hate, and always will be.
Fuck fictional angels and the people that lie to children about them.
you can be right about religion's connection to right-wing politics and bigotry, but referring to someone as an angel because they do something wonderful doesn't even imply you believe angels exist or that you are religious at all (let alone devout or dedicated to religion). This makes your reaction feel out of place given the context, both in how extreme it is, and in how it responds to a casual reference to someone being an angel as if they had just sworn loyalty to the Bible.
It's a bit of a stretch to assume that just because someone calls a good person an "angel" that the person is religious.
Religion is the cause of all of this hate
Absolutely not. Religion is a pretext for the violence that people with power already want to commit. Religion is neither necessary nor sufficient for domination of others.
and always will be.
I'm not even remotely religious or even open to religion, but there are decent religious people out there. Frankly, some Christians are comrades, much more so than some atheists. Here's an example:
And for a less radical example, see Liberation Theology.
I wouldn’t call them real Christians if they don’t follow the teachings of Jesus, they’re Christians in Name Only (CINOs). Jesus calls on people to do good works and have faith. These people think they are justified to do whatever they want in life and then pat themselves on the back saying “it’s all good!” when they’re knocking on death’s door.
They’re patently ignoring the teachings of the Jesus, they’re not even reading their Bibles. They think what they do here on earth doesn’t matter at all, but what Jesus talks about is the exact opposite.
Things like loving your enemy as you love yourself, feeding the hungry, giving clothes to those without, shelter to those who need it, showing forgiveness to those who wrong you, and knowing that you are loved.
Edit: If you disagree I would appreciate a dialogue on the subject.
Edit: If you disagree I would appreciate a dialogue on the subject.
Labeling someone clearly identifying as christian as "not true scotsman christian" seems like purity gatekeeping, you are basically calling them heretics. This is real christianity too and a story as old as christianity itself.
Is it though? They’re not following the very teachings of Jesus. I would call them something else entirely if they don’t follow the teachings of Jesus. Maybe some form of Bibliogians, but not Christians.
Why not? They do follow some of the shittier parts of old testament which Jesus explicitly ordered to keep, not their fault the religion is loose and contradictionary enough so basically everything can be justified by it. Not to mention tons of historical edits. Also 90% of christianity for ages was more or less as they are and looking at the European colonialism and white supremacy they follow it is the legacy of christianity too.
Jesus said he was not there to cast away the old laws, meaning the 10 Commandments, but he was telling them it was okay to leave behind the ritual purity laws that the early Israelites had committed themselves to following.
I would say that many bad people have tried to justify their bad actions in the name of their faith or religion, but I do not think that it makes the actions of those individuals something that is okay.
Some early Christians were eager to add a few extra parts to the Bible for instance that justified the patriarchy in the church. They attributed a few sections as being directly from Paul, but they were written by some of the other early Christians instead but attributed to Paul to give them weight.
The issue is that so many people do not follow Jesus’ example whatsoever. They look at Jesus, see what Jesus did was great, but then do not seek to emulate Jesus or his teachings.
meaning the 10 Commandments
See, you are already interpreting it in your way. It's all up to interpretation.
Some early Christians were eager to add a few extra parts to the Bible
Understatement of the last two millenia, ever hear about council of Chalcedon and all others? And it was only the tip of the iceberg. And even after all that what remins is still a total mess so you have like thousands of churches, sects and whatever else. Every christian is not true christian in the eyes of some other christians. What makes you authority?
The issue is that so many people do not follow Jesus’ example whatsoever. They look at Jesus, see what Jesus did was great, but then do not seek to emulate Jesus or his teachings.
As i said that would exclude like at least 90% of christians both now and historically.
Do you know about Cynefin? Would you disagree if I say that religion is a complex Cynefin system and therefore can’t be entirely predictable? Would you say Lutheranism and the Theology of Liberation are equally as problematic as the KKK and Nazis?
Would you say Lutheranism and the Theology of Liberation are equally as problematic as the KKK and Nazis?
Not as bad, but for example Sweden is and Prussia was lutheran, it's also religion of majority of Germany so majority of nazis were also lutheran, Bismarck and his kulturkampf too. Liberation thology is also better than mainstream catholicism but it's still toothless class collaboration ideology that deradicalizes people, a kind of religious socialdemocracy.
Good fucking deal. Hell, Mississippi should be paying for this to avoid any accusations of bias. Maybe a bad precedent for the state to allow second-guessing, but this particular case screams for a second opinion.
My gut tells me the guy hung himself in a way to stir shit up. Keep in mind, this guy's college was roughly 50/50 black/white. I'm sure there's plenty of racism to go round, but he wasn't living in some backwoods redneck business. But I'm not believing anything until we get an independent autopsy.
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