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[–] 127 points 1 year ago (39 children)
  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    I recently tested Jellyfin again and still miss a lot of features I like with Plex. I am a former Emby user and I don’t see why Jellyfin got so popular. I really want it to succeed, though

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Jellyfin is 100% free and open-source, it may miss some features but nothing behind a paywall. We made the choice of open-source over features (I can understand people going with plex, but I'm happy with jf)

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    All good and if you are one of the contributors, you earn all the respect. By now, Emby will have a hard time to keep up with the development speed of Jellyfin. I just miss a few very important QoL features. I truly believe it is only a matter of time until they are added.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (5 children)
  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    A Netflix-like login screen, where you can see all the users and they are just protected by a simple PIN.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    You have a login screen with all users showing with their profile picture. For a while now. You can even make it look Netflix-like with Skin Manager plugin. And there's Quick Connect but it's for people already connected on another device.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    But tbf it's not on every login.
    So it's not really multi-user friendly.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Right. I understand now, I've not used Netflix in 7 years. Yeah you have the user login screen before entering the password. I guess there's a workaround by autodeleting cookies but you'd have to re-enter the password (and it's not doable easily by grandma)

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (22 children)

    Jellyfin simply doesn’t work as well as Plex unfortunately.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (16 children)
  • [–] 24 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Sharing and remote streaming, plain and simple. I have no problem setting up accounts for friends, but choosing your server is a pain for some. But the bigger problem is that the first thing anyone will say is: Don't expose Jellyfin to the Internet. That's a bit of a problem.

    And they'll then say, "Oh it's not so bad just set up wireguard and..." This is the ramblings of a lunatic. I've been working with tech a long time. Tech is my job. It is my hobby. I do all of it from repairing my own hardware to administering servers to running my own home lab to doing open source development. Wireguard is not friendly. It is not something I'm going to set up at every friend and family member's house so I can share my library.

    I've got a more secure but imperfect setup in sticking Jellyfin on the Internet behind a proxy that requires login. But this is not something most people are going to want to deal with. They want to stand up their server and then share it with people.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Realistically what could the jellyfin devs do to make this easier?

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    One thing is prioritizing security. There's a number of known flaws, of varying severity, which is why most people would recommend not exposing Jellyfin to the Internet.

    Perhaps they could set up a second project, a Jellyfin meta-library, whose whole goal is to be exposed to the Internet. You stand that up, give it access to other Jellyfin servers, and it handles the work similar to STUN of connecting you to media on those servers. This would make it so people could share easier.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    Interesting. It would still be complex I guess but mean that it’s less risky to expose.

    I’m still a bit out of my depth on networking I just use jellyfin locally. Ive set up websites and stuff but never had to play with reverse proxies.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I would have done this, but set up ‘meshnet’ to make the remote computers look like they’re all on the same network, but nordvpn just pulled the plug on meshnet and are decommissioning it in December. Goodbye

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    Tailscale has this same functionality, and is free for something like 100 hosts. Uses wireguard as the backend tech. It also has apple tv and android clients, so you can setup the Tailscale app on an end client for a user, then setup the jellyfin client and they should be good to go. That client device will just "see" your jellyfin server as a local client on the same network, albeit a tailscale wirrguard overlay network.

    I haven't actually deployed it as I don't share my media server currently, but I was investigating it a bit ago.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    Couldn't have said it better myself. Very Give a Mouse a Cookie vibes when talking to someone explaining how Jellyfin is a drop in replacement for Plex when they're on step 6 of setting up remote access

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    The apps don't work well at all. If you're just desktop based, its fine. But Nvidia Shield app, firestick app, mobile app, all have issues with hardware transcoding, and also somehow doesn't handle subtitles properly. I have had both Plex and Jfin set up side by side multiple times, trying to test if I can make the swap. But JF just has too many bugs on their apps, which is what I use primarily, as do my users.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Sounds more like you had transcoding issues.
    Using the Jellyfin Android app and the Android TV app on my Chromecast.

    Besides .ssa subtitles I usually never need to transcode. And usually the transcoding reason is me using an incomptaible audio/video source (TrueHD audio and HDR)

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

    Oh so it's my fault somehow? Sorry but if I use the same library on Plex vs. JF and one works fine, the other doesn't. That's not my fault lol. It was set up to hardware transcode, and still didn't work for many files. Plex did. Same with subtitles. I watched the same file with Plex and JF side by side. Same directory. Subtitles worked with Plex, all fucked up with JF. JF also crashed all the time on my Nvidia Shield.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Listen...
    Some weeks ago I had trouble transcoding some anime files. Didnt really work amd had a low processing framerate using VAAPI. Switched to Intel hardware transcodig and suddenly it worked.

    I don't know your setup or when exactly you tried out JF, but theres absolutely no need to be offended.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I had intel hardware transcoding turned on for both JF and Plex. Many files did not work on JF. I am offended and annoyed because people keep telling me it's my problem - when it's not. It's JF issues that are not solveable by me. I even went to the discord and talked to the devs, and they literally said "oh yea we don't have tons of focus on the mobile apps unfortunately", and acknowledged that my issue was a bug. Yet people continue to tell me "IT WORKS FOR ME SO YOU'RE DUMB."

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Listen...
    I never said it's a problem you caused.
    I literally said that I had a working setup, which suddenly stopped working as expected and I solved it by switching the hardware acceleration setting from VAAPI to QuickSync.
    This time it was an easy fix. But it was either an underlying issue with the way I set it up or a bug. Nonetheless it stopped working for no apparent reason.

    Calm your nerves!

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (1 child)

    I have not seen that. It is always plex that does something stupid. Jellyfin is extremely reliable. Plex is particularly pissing me off lately.

    Both hardware transcoding, same file, same server and there is Plex making me wait, wait, wait. While jellyfin is nearly click and go.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (4 children)

    How so? I have way less issues with jellyfin than I did with Plex. I think with jellyfin you just need to RTFM and find some plugins to expand the functionality if you need it

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I spent hours trying to set up jellyfin to watch somewhere else in my home and despite doing all the guides I just couldn't get it to work. Plex is just so much easier. It has hiccups and the new update is horrible (still holding out on updating) but it still works 9/10 times for me

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    I feel you on that. The first time I set it up, it me forever. I finally figured out the issue was it was not picking up the right IP address for my server. Once I fixed that, and knew to look for that in the future, no issues. I tore my whole server down last weekend, and transferred all the drives to a different setup, rebuilt the server and have everything working, logged back in on all my devices in an hour tops. Everyones milage will very though

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  • [–] 35 points 1 year ago (6 children)
  • [–] [S] 23 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    They like completely overhauled the UI lol

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  • [–] 32 points 1 year ago

    That overhauled UI is buggy as shit, slow to do anything and is objectively worse as features that were already present were removed.

    Feature removal might e been excused if the UI was simplified and fast and responsive. But slow and buggy UI to replace relatively well functioning UI angered almost all users. I'm had to force install an old version of plex client exactly to avoid the non-sense.

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  • [–] 33 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    The thing about the redesign that irks me the most is that browsing your own personal library is unnecessarily convoluted the way it’s now organized. It’s a big step backwards in terms of navigation.

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    [–] 18 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    It’s now no longer possible to manually refresh libraries from the app. Amazing. Less functionality.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    They've "streamlined" your experience.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    If jellyfin could correctly sort my media with thumbnails I would switch in a second.

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  • [–] 26 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Like many others, I switched to Jellyfin years ago. It is way, way better for me. It does what it says on the tin, sometimes more, but not less.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    You mean you don't like recommendations by default of the media you downloaded because you know exactly what you want to watch?

    I really never understood that.

    My assumption is that it's a bridge to some sort of legitimacy like a movie rental deal or something. Like inserting ads into your self hosted media.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    That's the thing - we just can't know. Sometimes a feature is just a feature, but with commercial software there's always more risk it's going to change under you for the wrong reasons when they find some way to monetise it.

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  • [–] 26 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    I have Jellyfin in parallel now and I had to face the family during summer with questions like “why I cant do this with the app anymore “ “ why did you change it” sigh 😔 so I started to put energy on jelly because that was unacceptable way to rollout a botched change.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    I was in a previous update wave, and it made me switch to Jellyfin too. I cast from my phone to my TV, and they did something that made subtitles basically impossible to load via Chromecast. Even trying to automatically burn in subtitles didn't work for this mode.

    Also, while a "minor" nitpick, Chromecast used to show random movie/TV show posters when you connected and also show the media details when you selected something, now it just shows a big PLEX logo all the time unless playing something.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    Crap, I still haven't logged ba k in since they asked me to log out because of the security compromise. I'm gonna have to lose a day and figure out this whole jellyfin thing I guess.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    For what it's worth jellyfin is really not that hard to set up

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I spent hours and couldn't get it to show up on any device except the desktop it was installed on so I think your mileage may vary.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Fair enough.

    Opening ports to the network seems to "just work" or be hours of forum diving.

    What OS where you using?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    Windows. Yeah I just couldn't get it after much forum diving and I really couldn't figure it out. When this computer dies I'm likely switching to Linux so maybe that'll help but until then, Plex without updating is the way to be.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    I'm not sure I can switch. I have too many friends linked to my server and a decade-ish of watched data.

    I know many people watch from TV apps and Chromecasts and I don't know if there's an app for every TV brand for jellyfin or emby or whatever.

    People watch from all sorts of weird devices. I got push back when I forced SSL because at least one person had a TV so old that it didn't support doing SSL for Plex. It took me a week to drill it into their brain that I'm not going to change it back and to go buy literally anything to make it work (Chromecast type thing). I think their ended up buying a Roku.

    This is just the brainpower that most of the people I share with, have. They just want easy. I do all the hard work in the background and their life is easy.

    I can't imagine how many would have a fit if I forced them off Plex. Jellyfin looks cool and all, but it's unlikely I'll be able to move anytime soon.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    You can run Jellyfin side by side and slowly migrate everyone, starting from the most intelligent users (so you can catch anything that might be wrongly configured, etc.).

    In the meantime, I hope that so many users are switching that we're going to get better native apps.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Why do you let other people dictate how you run your media server?

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    I don't. There's just a nontrivial number of people I care about that use Plex that don't know enough about technology to handle something like jellyfin.

    Losing years of watched data isn't great, but ultimately it's small potatoes.

    A big part of the reason I wanted to set up Plex to begin with, was so that my friends and family didn't have to waste their time downloading the stuff that all of us want to watch.

    They don't demand anything, I want them to be able to use it because I care about those people. If switching to jellyfin is too difficult for the non-techs I care about, then I'll keep rolling with Plex.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    This is why I have Plex, emby, and jellyfin running in tandem. Plex still makes my life easier than the other two in a lot of ways, but it's been slipping for years. Once I've finally had enough, jellyfin all the way.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I'm running jellyfin, can't recommend it enough. It's been catching up quite steadily to Plex and I still control everything. Can't complain about that.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I also love Jellyfin, but it needs more contributors.

    Too many features need improvement, for example the watch party, or the native apps.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Yeah I use plexamp a lot too and finamp is rough and reminds me of Android apps from 2012.

    I also had weird quirks in the past where shows would crash and stop streaming or it would forget my position I stopped watching at, among other things.

    And the hardest one is the manual labour I put in to make lists and fetch missing metadata that was actually accurate.

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  • Plex amp is still better than finamp for now. But it's catching up that's for sure.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Need context ..what's happening here?

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  • [–] [S] 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Ig they're rolling it out in waves, they decided to overhaul their app UI...for the worse IMO

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago*

    Do you have any links? Plex Blog has nothing about this and all my stuff looks the same as it has for months now. (Although to be fair I use the Plex Preview app on Roku, so maybe I’ve just had what you’re all seeing now?)

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    I switched to Emby. Which I now access via SenPlayer. Am I doing this right?!?!

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  • [–] [S] 5 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    Am I doing this right

    Well if you ask me, not really, I disavowed emby years ago and afaic its just Plex and Jellyfin in this space to me

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago* (9 children)

    Ok, you’re gonna have to unpack that one for me! Plex was always messing things up with transcoding, and I hate the Jellyfin UI and always had trouble getting it working and keeping it working.

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  • [–] [S] 18 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Here's a comment I wrote on it about a year ago

    Tldr; they are an early example of open source enshittification before enshittification was even coined (iirc)

    This is going to go back quite a ways, and much of my knowledge is old at this point so some details might be off.

    ~15 years ago Plex as we know it started out as an OSX fork of the 0G Xbox homebrew software XBMC (Later renamed Kodi (For those who don't know, XBMC was XBox Media Center and would turn the 0g Xbox into the cheapest Home Theater PC you could get at the time, man those were the days lol))

    Plex was only briefly open source and then was quickly closed when they incorporated a year or so after they had something functional. They never made any promises about not charging or being open source or anything, so that's why I'm generally fine with Plex

    Sometime around 2012ish Emby came along as THE open source alternative to Plex and things were good. MOST of it was supposed to stay open source as was promised. From the beginning they kept build scripts n such closed source, probably should have caught on them, but heh ya know hindsight and all that.

    Then around 2014/5 they took it all closed source, relicensed it and introduced their paywall including locking away already existing features. This is what pissed me and many others off and this is when and why Jellyfin split off promising to be truly fully open source forever. (There was a ton of drama about it at the time, but it looks like Embys Q&A thing a bit back doesn't even bother to mention it, imagine that lol)

    I don't have a problem with subscriptions on open source software myself, but the way they went about it...yea. fuck em

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Fair. And I agree with your stance. But I don’t feel like setting something else up again, especially if it’s a thing that has caused me problems in the past, like Jellyfin. I miss XBMC.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (4 children)

    How was Plex messing up transcoding?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    It kept trying to transcode things when I just wanted direct uncompressed streaming

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Likely a codec issue with your client player. The client couldn’t play the file (either video or audio) natively, so the server transcoded the file so it could.

    Transcoding is a feature. I understand why you would rather it direct stream, but you’ve got to make sure the client can play the file natively.

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