Edit: This only refers to costs (paid by the manufacturers), not fees (paid for by the buyers).

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[–] 32 points 1 year ago

That's so far from true. It'll be cost of electricity. Heat. Distance shipped. They'll probably tack on some country border crossing fee. They'll find ways to make it more expensive simply because it's an earth shattering technology.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    Not necessarily. Still takes energy to move it. Depending on the energy required, could still have a cost

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  • [+] [S] -8 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    The cost will be comparatively less, and negligible given that digital goods don't have "energy" fees (and never had, btw)

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    Why?

    We traded energy cost for time when we stopped walking, and replaced it with an animal and a cart, and again with cars, and airplanes. We save time, but the energy input is greater.

    Who’s to say that teleportation wouldn’t be a trade off between 5x the energy to take a jet, but instantaneous?

    Digital goods aren’t physical; teleportation is physical.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    Considering that
    Power = WorkDone / TimeTaken
    and lets just say for this instance that WorkDone is same for the jet and for the teleporter^[because calculating work done in such a scenario is kinda hard], which is kinda wrong, but won't matter anyway as you see further.

    Then,
    Powerteleporter = Powerjet × TimeTakenjet / TimeTakenteleporter

    then going with "instantaneous"

    With limit(TimeTakenteleporter ⟶ 0)

    Powerteleporter ⟶ ∞

    Now, someone will ask, what if WorkDone in case of teleportation is actually close to 0.
    But that won't happen, simply because the minimum value for WorkDone in that case would be equivalent to the change in gravitational potential, making it a significant amount as compared to the other limits.


    Oh and digital goods do have an energy cost, btw.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    This really depends.

    Teleportation consists of three main phases:

    • scanning/deconstruction
    • sending
    • reconstruction

    If the deconstruction and/or reconstruction phases cost a ton of energy, it doesn't matter if the sending phase has a high energy bill.

    But since you have transmit data on each atom, you will have huge amounts of data to send.

    For example, 1kg of carbon has about 5*10^25 atoms. Humans aren't made entirely of carbon, but the rough order of magnitude will be similar. Let's go with a 70kg human and we end up with roughly 10^27 atoms.

    Let's say we have good compression techniques and a single byte is enough to store all data of one atom. That means, we need to send about 10^28 bits of data.

    In September 2023 the total bandwith of the global internet was about 1.2 Pbps, or 10^15 bits per second.

    So to transmit a single human being with the speed of the entire global internet combined it would take 10^13 seconds or about 300 000 years. I think that kind of data transmission could cost a little bit of money.

    Compare that to the cost of shipping 70kg of human being anywhere on the planet. By plane, it will cost in the order of a few thousand Euros and it will take one day, two at most, not 300 000 years.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Who's to say compression wouldn't exist, e.g. this is a 1kg of carbon. All of their atoms are exactly the same. This doesn't require so much energy.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Again, the 1kg of carbon was only used to come up with the rough amount of atoms for 1kg of weight.

    Last I checked, humans, same as most other things, don't just consist of pure carbon. Also, you need to include position data as well, so even in our 1kg of carbon no two atoms are exactly the same since no two atoms are at the same exact position and same exact rotation. And no two atoms are bonded to the same exact atoms.

    If you send just the data of "dump 1kg of carbon atoms there", you will turn a diamond into carbon dust when teleporting it. I don't want to see the result of what happens if you teleport a human that way.

    And you actually don't only have to take the atomic properties into consideration but also the subatomic ones. The 1 byte per atom was already purpousely a ridiculously low guess. It's much more likely you need data in the order of megabytes per atom.


    Sci fi makes teleportation look easy. Press a button, disappear here, reappear there.

    In reality, every single component of teleportation is so hard that we don't even have a clue how this could theoretically be done with future tech. We don't have a way to scan anything (let alone a human being) with nearly the level of detail that we'd need. We don't have a way to deconstruct the item that is supposed to be sent. We have neither a way to store nor to send the enormous amounts of data required. And we have no concept of a clue how to do the reconstruction.

    Just to visualize this a bit better: it will be much, much easier to clone objects than to teleport them, because teleporting is cloning plus deconstruction.

    So if you understand that creating objects out of thin air is resource-intensive, then that necessarily means that teleportation will be even more difficult and expensive than just cloning objects.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Teleportation is a made up technology so the rules around it are made up. But if we set some basic rules for it that are at least somewhat ground in science fiction.

    You will probably need a receiving pad for the teleported items to arrive to as the earth is constantly moving through space so you need to anchor the teleporting location, that will probably be expensive

    In order to follow the first law of thermodynamics where energy has to be conserved at the minimum the energy required for moving the goods will have to be used by the transporter and probably with some amount of inefficiency so if we say it takes the same amount of energy as it currently cost but with less labor and less warehouses it can easily cost several dollars and would scale based on distance

    So you would probably be responsible for paying those energy costs and the teleporter pad costs

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago

    “If I make something up, I can make up whatever I want about it.”

    Yup.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    I see you are missing the the ever present influence of corporate greed.

    Pay us $30 to get the package to your customer in 3 days, or $150 to get it there in the next hour. Why $150? because people will pay it.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    Shipping costs may go, but shipping fees will remain.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I'd imagine the energy cost to teleport something would be much higher than a vehicle, just faster.

    Also thanks to Capitalism, even if it was 0 energy and instant, the fees would stay or go up. A business under capitalism will never voluntarily decrease potential profits in the long term.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    With the greed of corporations you pay the premium tier for teleportation and low cost shipping to wait a few days.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    $600 for your teleport pad and just a $29.99 a month subscription after

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago*

    If capitalism is still the main ecomonic system when that happens, the costs will still exist they just won't be justified the same way.

    The fees the customer pay will also be higher. Because fuck you.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Yeh, then it would be teleportation costs.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Trump won't exist if teleportation is invented.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Once teleportation exist, so do replicators and all costs apart from energy costs disappear.

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  • [–] [S] -4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Internet is technically teleportation (of data) and I am not seeing replicators anywhere.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    The physical shipping costs will be much higher, the shipping market will become luxurious and you won't be able to afford that.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Knowing how expending machines are more expensive that buying in a shop, even if the cost are lower. I 100% know that even free teleportation would be more expensive for the user.

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