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[–] 290 points 1 year ago (40 children)

At the risk of agreeing with Reddit:

Under new rules rolling out over the coming months, a small number of users will be required to leave some of their moderator posts so that they aren’t moderating more than five subreddits with 100,000 monthly visitors.

That sounds perfectly reasonable. Reddit has a massive powermod problem.

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  • [–] 136 points 1 year ago (14 children)

    Given Reddit's past unreasonableness, I wouldn't be surprised if this otherwise reasonable explanation has an alternative motive.

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  • [–] 42 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    The motive is these mods hold a decent amount of power on the platform that they wish to reduce. They don’t want a repeat of the API protests.

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  • [–] 78 points 1 year ago (5 children)
  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Gotta boost user numbers.

    Or obscure them considering not letting people see sub count only daily/weekly activities

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    That's it. It's the illusion of fairness and it takes away reddit jannies' ability to show off their powermod status, and that's the only incentive they have not to use sockpuppets for every sub they mod.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    This is actually another of Reddit's decisions that I'm in agreement with. Subscriber count isn't a very useful number, it largely just measures how old a subreddit is. You can already see how old the subreddit is much more accurately by looking at its founding date.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    The user numbers were bogus anyway since Reddit didn't automatically decrement the user number after banning a member. The banned member had to manually unjoin the subreddit. So the membership count was inflated with banned members.

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  • [–] 38 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    True, but Reddit let this problem fester for a long time.

    What's interesting to me here regarding this, is Reddits current preparation timescale. This isn't going to be enforced until March 31st, 2026. This tells me that Reddit would have been unprepared for a complete mass-walkout of community moderators during the 2023 Reddit API strikes. A large chunk of Reddit during that period was genuinely inaccessible. But after a few token gestures and a few examples made of some especially rebellious mod-teams, most of the striking moderators returned.

    A huge opportunity was missed by people running major communities to functionally degrade Reddit in at least the medium-term as a website. You can't just hastily promote random people to replace moderators Reddit is either forced to remove or who leave voluntarily. The average person is likely too lazy, too arbitrary and too corrupt to effectively oversee communities of notable sizes.

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  • [–] 25 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    The quality of reddit took a massive hit after the strike and never recovered.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago

    it took another one from the series of purges this year too. i think the purges did alot more damage than reddit is letting on. since they were doing it for months on end, i was seeing a real decrease in users posting, and mostly it was replaced by bot posting.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I was on one of those “especially rebellious mod-teams”. We were even interviewed by Ars Technica about it all at the time.

    On advice of a majority of our users, we took our sub offline and kept it that way until Reddit booted us as mods. Honestly, this was the outcome I was expecting — hell, I was pretty open about goading them into it. What was the alternative — to cave to the platform that was abusing us so I could keep working for them for free?

    That’s the part I didn’t understand about my fellow mods from other subs. Many of them caved pretty quickly. Their identities seemed to be so tied up in being a Reddit mod that they couldn’t let it go, even though the relationship was obviously very unequal. Too many other people stood up after witnessing the mod abuse to take over from those who got the boot, just asking for the Reddit boot to be applied to their necks instead.

    Well, I wish all the mods the kind of treatment they forgave/ignored the last time around.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago*

    actually, thier purges since the election was too effective, and removed so much users and mods by banning them. plus the shadowbans have dramatically increased, because they made the filters to sensitive to "potential bots/spammers). 50/50 irl users/bots. at least right now, its reddit is filled with charlie kirk propaganda(negative and positive), with a little hint of luigi.

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  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    We all presume that being the mod of several large reddit communities doesn't include the possibility of sidehustle financial benefits.

    Yet, humans are innovators of corruption! And I can only assume that any multi-mega-subreddit moderator has worked out something to make what is obviously a full time job worth their time.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago

    I heard mods of big subreddits can get basically sponsored by big companies and go to events. Half the pc gaming subreddits have what are basically ad posts pinned by the mods.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    The problem with powermod isn't that they exist, though. Moderation of a large sub is still done by volunteers that have had to hack solutions together because they don't get a lot of support from Reddit. It helps Reddit to have experienced mods overseeing several subs because they bring with them experience on how to handle high profile and large scale moderation efforts. They are a technical talent pool that Reddit relies upon a lot.

    The problem is that Reddit has shitty mod governance. It still uses rank by add date and offers no ability for users to kick a mod out except for TOS faults. Reddit doesn't want to fix mod governance issues because it creates a legitimate mod power structure and Reddit doesn't want to give that much power to users, including mods.

    That said, Reddit's shitty mod governance was copied directly to Lemmy.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Not really. The powermods arent bringing anything unique moderation except a network that allows them to control content for a specific audience. This is not about enforcing subreddit rules its about subreddit mods pushing an agenda across their subs and pushing sponsored posts outsides reddits ad program.

    Its overall a good thing but the powermods will be replaced with reddit admins doing the ame

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    The powermods arent bringing anything unique moderation except a network that allows them to control content for a specific audience.

    It depends who. There are some that build tools and procedures for handling large forums. They may also share best practices across different subs.

    As for controlling content, it isn't like a corporation or political group can't create 20 accounts and take over subs. That's already happened on Reddit.

    Its overall a good thing but the powermods will be replaced with reddit admins doing the ame

    Or sock puppet accounts. Banning the current set of mods without a plan on who replaces them doesn't fix the problem.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    They can still share tools and best practices but now they cant be involved in the post to post moderation.

    As for controlling content, it isn’t like a corporation or political group can’t create 20 accounts and take over subs. That’s already happened on Reddit.

    You cant do this if the mods are already doing this because the mods will remove the posts. Giving them a huge block of control over a majority of the content on the platform.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    It could be viewed as reasonable if viewed alone. I think that its fine and could make a lot of sense for control over their platform.

    The history of reddit sheds a different context in my mind though. Mods are volunteers. Subreddits were established to moderate themselves, implementing nuanced rules for their specific topics that might differ from other subs that need completely different rules and approaches. Its part of what made reddit unique compared to alternate sites.

    Then they made moderating much more difficult by eliminating third party apps. Then they started implementing their plans to take the platform where they wanted it, which is fine because its their platform, but they wanted all their mods to do a bunch of work and in a certain manner to make it so. Very demanding on free labor.

    So there's mods still around and they want to restrict them more? Who knows, maybe that's a great idea but they made the mess they're in. This decision isn't a single on on its own, its part of a stack of them.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Yes, but they are also doing this to deleverage their mods and consolidate censorship power with coporate

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    admins actually are the one that hold all the power on the site, mods are the plebs that have to play ball. admins are only 2nd in power to spez. they are the ones behind the aggressive somewhat indiscriminate shadowbans and purges. its only a matter of time before they drop the mask and increasing more right leaning content.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Mods get to control the political narrative of their subreddits by banning those with opposing views. That makes them more powerful than admins. As an example, Reddit has been so flooded with pro-trans mods that it's almost impossible to make an anti-trans agenda post in most subreddits without being banned.

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  • [–] 136 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    Me literally every time my friends start bitching about Instagram.

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  • [–] 43 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    I’m always like “who the fuck uses Instagram?” I guess I’m living in a different world entirely.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    One of my DnD groups only share IG memes so I never see them because I don't have IG.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    My nontechnical hobby circle is all about the insta, sadly. Facebook, too. It's an uphill battle full of people that expect you have them: They look at you funny if you don't have one. It's as if you said you don't have email.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago

    Just remember, people will be more open to trying the stuff you're into if you're compassionate about the things they're frustrated with!

    (This is intended for anyone who wants friends or acquaintances to try the fediverse platforms. For those who don't or don't care that's perfectly valid too :)

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (25 children)
  • [–] 62 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    First picture I found on Google for each because I'm lazy but there they are with pictures attached.

    Piefed
    Piefed

    Lemmy
    Lemmy

    Mastodon
    Mastodon

    Pixelfed
    Pixelfed

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Most of these names are absolutely atrocious.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    To be fair, are there any social media platforms that don't have a kind of stupid name?

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    I thought Diaspora was a decent sounding name. If it had more traction and actually pulled a sizeable diaspora away from Facebook it would have fit better than Facebook, Twitter/X, or Instagram's names.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    Most of the big ones at least have some kind of coherence behind their naming scheme.

    The open source stuff is like: prehistoric hairy elephant, misspelled name of animal used as a metaphorical comparison for people doing dumb shit in a mob which seems to be insulting it's users, and then some random words slapped onto the word fed - none of which sound good.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (15 children)
  • [–] 36 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (13 children)

    It’s like Lemmy but with consolidated comments, flairs, spoilers, polls, topics, feeds (like multireddits), proper blocks, hashtags, piped video integration, disclaimer messages, better mod and reporting tools.

    https://join.piefed.social/features/

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    Is it like, a whole other network with different people or is it like a different front-end to the lemmyverse ? This is kind of confusing ? And what about that "kbin" I keep hearing about, is that the same deal ?

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  • [–] 29 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    Lemmy is a software that people can host on their computer, and many people doing that form what is essentially a bunch of mini-reddits that can talk to each other to create one big platform.

    Piefed is trying to fulfill the same goals as Lemmy, and is even fully compatible with Lemmy, so someone hosting a piefed server on their computer can join in with all the Lemmy servers, and to the Lemmy people, it appears to them like any other Lemmy server.

    But underneath everything, the code base is entirely different. The commonality they share, along with mastodon, is they all use ActivityPub, which is the standard that allows them to all communicate and be compatible with each other, just like there's an email standard.

    Kbin (now Mbin) is yet another Lemmy compatible software that you can host on your computer, but it also tried to implement features that make it more like mastodon (twitter-like), so it can act both like reddit, with threads and comments and communities around single subjects, or be like mastodon and work with hashtags and following individuals instead of communities, like a microblogging website.

    They also use different interfaces, but it's only visible to people who directly use that server; to others who access it from their home server, it'll adopt the look of the software their home server is using.

    So as an example, you are using Lemmy since your home server is Lemmy.ml. if you visit a community hosted on a piefed server from within your Lemmy, like !fullmoviesonyoutube@piefed.social, it'll look like any other Lemmy community.

    But if you directly go to that piefed server by going to https://piefed.social/c/fullmoviesonyoutube you'll see it from the piefed interface, since you're accessing that piefed server directly.

    All of three of the different federated Reddit-like softwares are intercompatible, so they all make up one big network.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    I would suggest that it is as complex as you wish to know.

    My explanation above is not truly required to effectively use a federated platform, in the same way that most email users don't actually know how precisely email works, and would find an in-depth explanation of it very complex.

    All someone needs to know about email is that they must login to their email host provider, and that every user they might send email to has a unique name, and possibly a different host name after the @ symbol.

    In the same way, the only thing someone needs to know about this platform, is they must login to the same place they signed up to (their host provider). They can then use it in a similar way to reddit. They might wonder why usernames or communities have different names after the @, but it doesn't actually impede using the platform to not understand.

    If anything, that might make it easier to use than email.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Remember this big discussion? https://lemmy.ml/post/36058152

    PieFed has had that feature for a long time, and many more besides. https://join.piefed.social/features/

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Is there a piefed/mbin backend server or is it just an alternative webui client ?

    I'm thinking of switching to a self-hosted single user lemmy instance and run all 3 self-hosted clients to my self-hosted server, is that practical ?

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Yes, backend server.

    https://codeberg.org/rimu/pyfedi/src/branch/main/INSTALL.md

    You could run all 3 but it would be redundant as they all have the same content and people :D

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    One thing I don't understand, the clients (and servers) have different features ? So how are they compatible with each other ? I understand the activitypub allows interoperatibility, but if piefed for crosspost agglomeration but lemmy doesn't, how is that mismatch handled ?

    Are they extensions that are just not supported like on XMPP ?

    I think I'd want to run each of the 3 webui locally, to figure out which I actually like, but does that mean I should runt he 3 backends as well so that all the features work ?

    Is there one backend that basically does it all and I should only run that one ? I do have plenty over ram with many HP G8 DL380 and 256gb ram each so .. it's mostly a matter of "crossing the desert" and configuring each one, which I suspect will be pretty similar but each with their own little gotcha (speaking as a self-hosting veteran, there's always something)

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (1 child)

    They each use a different backend, and their web UI's are designed with their own unique backend in mind.

    There is Photon, a third-party web UI/client that may someday be compatible with both Lemmy and Piefed, but currently only properly supports lemmy.

    As far as I know, Piefed, Lemmy, and Mbin essentially are just displaying the data made available from ActivityPub in different ways, like the comment aggregation for crossposts.

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  • [–] 82 points 1 year ago (18 children)

    The best way to leave reddit is to get permabanned.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Can confirm. You can have the mildest takes and still get permbanned.

    Did you know, that saying Neo-Nazis should be named and shamed is a permbannable offense?

    Reddit is becoming Xitter 2.0 and I'm really hoping the remaining human users on there figure it out soon.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    actually since reddit start scrutinizing new accounts and old accounts, you dont even need to cmment to get shadowbanned. thier AI just assume "sudden activity from a new or old account, is consider bannable" they see these types of accounts as potential bots. but we know reddit just wants less users, and only browsers to site anyways.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I feel like I went through withdrawals, took like a month to get over it, now I rarely use reddit, not missing anything, just thought I was, I guess I do miss reddit from like 2015, but it was getting worse every year, one of my last posts months before my permaban was asking for alternatives. (It's how I found lemmmy lol)

    Reddit is also at a point where everything has been asked and is asked again weekly, i don't really need to post/comment anything myself and my votes mean nothing because of the volume. Most of my comments would get lost in a void.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    i think everyone, before the ban was pretty addicted to reddit especally logging in. i only skim through reddit now and then. i visit pet related, and science related subs more often(since im banned i just browse without logging in)

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    I wish I could scroll it and get the daily dopamine but I forget about it, mostly just google searches these days, it used to keep me actively into my hobbies since I get distracted, but not being able to comment irked me so I stopped browsing the app (plus the fat red you are banned banner on every page)

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Yes, I expressed outrage at a disgusting state sanctioned murder in Iraq and suggested the invaders perpetrating these horror deserve to see the same kind of violence in their own cities. Permaban of the entire website forever. I could easily evade the ban but, this was also when the API trouble and the "reddit is fun" app stopped working. The writing was on the wall, duck that place and everyone in it. I won't be taken hostage anymore.

    I never looked back and I'm glad I did, I was wasting so much of my precious time in that ducking disgusting dump. I hope Lemmy doesn't Septemberify for a long time. I really hope steps are taken to prevent centralization and owner dominance of Lemmy before it becomes reddit with extra steps

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Lenny doesn't really work like that. It's not just one site.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Look, without agglomeration there is already a strong bias for any topic to have just "one big community" on "one big server" like lemmy.ml. Because why would anyone post anywhere else than the one community with the most users.

    That's the same reason everyone is on facebook and reddit. This is a fatal flaw of Lemmy. Just because there are many servers that doesn't resolve the problem of centralization if everyone posts in the same community of the same big server.

    And no one will manually subscribe to 1500 "books" communities with 5 user each, even if they existed. The solution is a single view that sees all "books" community by default.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    There's still way too many niche communities on Reddit that just haven't taken off on Lemmy e.g. alternative a. Non-team sports.

    There's a ViolentMonkey script that can automatically delete all of your Reddit comments. I just run that every few days.

    It's not ideal, but it's the best that I can do if I value access to those communities, which I do.

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