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Mods react as Reddit kicks some of them out again: “This will break the site” (arstechnica.com)
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[–] 10 points 1 year ago (11 children)

Is it like, a whole other network with different people or is it like a different front-end to the lemmyverse ? This is kind of confusing ? And what about that "kbin" I keep hearing about, is that the same deal ?

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  • [–] 29 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    Lemmy is a software that people can host on their computer, and many people doing that form what is essentially a bunch of mini-reddits that can talk to each other to create one big platform.

    Piefed is trying to fulfill the same goals as Lemmy, and is even fully compatible with Lemmy, so someone hosting a piefed server on their computer can join in with all the Lemmy servers, and to the Lemmy people, it appears to them like any other Lemmy server.

    But underneath everything, the code base is entirely different. The commonality they share, along with mastodon, is they all use ActivityPub, which is the standard that allows them to all communicate and be compatible with each other, just like there's an email standard.

    Kbin (now Mbin) is yet another Lemmy compatible software that you can host on your computer, but it also tried to implement features that make it more like mastodon (twitter-like), so it can act both like reddit, with threads and comments and communities around single subjects, or be like mastodon and work with hashtags and following individuals instead of communities, like a microblogging website.

    They also use different interfaces, but it's only visible to people who directly use that server; to others who access it from their home server, it'll adopt the look of the software their home server is using.

    So as an example, you are using Lemmy since your home server is Lemmy.ml. if you visit a community hosted on a piefed server from within your Lemmy, like !fullmoviesonyoutube@piefed.social, it'll look like any other Lemmy community.

    But if you directly go to that piefed server by going to https://piefed.social/c/fullmoviesonyoutube you'll see it from the piefed interface, since you're accessing that piefed server directly.

    All of three of the different federated Reddit-like softwares are intercompatible, so they all make up one big network.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    I would suggest that it is as complex as you wish to know.

    My explanation above is not truly required to effectively use a federated platform, in the same way that most email users don't actually know how precisely email works, and would find an in-depth explanation of it very complex.

    All someone needs to know about email is that they must login to their email host provider, and that every user they might send email to has a unique name, and possibly a different host name after the @ symbol.

    In the same way, the only thing someone needs to know about this platform, is they must login to the same place they signed up to (their host provider). They can then use it in a similar way to reddit. They might wonder why usernames or communities have different names after the @, but it doesn't actually impede using the platform to not understand.

    If anything, that might make it easier to use than email.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Remember this big discussion? https://lemmy.ml/post/36058152

    PieFed has had that feature for a long time, and many more besides. https://join.piefed.social/features/

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Is there a piefed/mbin backend server or is it just an alternative webui client ?

    I'm thinking of switching to a self-hosted single user lemmy instance and run all 3 self-hosted clients to my self-hosted server, is that practical ?

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Yes, backend server.

    https://codeberg.org/rimu/pyfedi/src/branch/main/INSTALL.md

    You could run all 3 but it would be redundant as they all have the same content and people :D

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    One thing I don't understand, the clients (and servers) have different features ? So how are they compatible with each other ? I understand the activitypub allows interoperatibility, but if piefed for crosspost agglomeration but lemmy doesn't, how is that mismatch handled ?

    Are they extensions that are just not supported like on XMPP ?

    I think I'd want to run each of the 3 webui locally, to figure out which I actually like, but does that mean I should runt he 3 backends as well so that all the features work ?

    Is there one backend that basically does it all and I should only run that one ? I do have plenty over ram with many HP G8 DL380 and 256gb ram each so .. it's mostly a matter of "crossing the desert" and configuring each one, which I suspect will be pretty similar but each with their own little gotcha (speaking as a self-hosting veteran, there's always something)

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (1 child)

    They each use a different backend, and their web UI's are designed with their own unique backend in mind.

    There is Photon, a third-party web UI/client that may someday be compatible with both Lemmy and Piefed, but currently only properly supports lemmy.

    As far as I know, Piefed, Lemmy, and Mbin essentially are just displaying the data made available from ActivityPub in different ways, like the comment aggregation for crossposts.

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