Isn't all of their concern kind of demonstrated to be unfounded? CoMaps forked the exact codebase being discussed and moved to Codeberg already, and they're doing great now. Whatever it is that the Organic Maps team thinks is indispensable on GitHub is clearly not actually an insurmountable challenge to ditch.
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I switched from OrganicMaps to CoApps recently. CoMaps is a fork or OrganicMaps. One of the things they fix is that they moved the source from Github to Codeberg.
I use and donate[d] to OrganicMaps. I think they're great, but I paused donations around the CoMaps split and have been waiting for the dust to settle. Their responses in the fosstodon thread seem so tone def: They're asking about github on a mastodon instance and responding that it'll be a worse product if they move. Thinking it's time I give CoMaps a shot. [edit: add 2nd link for context]
Github gets an F rating as an ethical repository per gnu.org.
https://www.gnu.org/software/repo-criteria-evaluation.html
Criteria for above: https://www.gnu.org/software/repo-criteria.html
See also: https://sanctum.geek.nz/why-not-github.html
All of the above are pretty old and things have surely changed since then, but probably for the worse.
I will never understand the Free software developers that go to bat for GitHub.
Microsoft hates you and everything you spend countless hours building for free. They steal your work and sell shittier versions of it for exorbitant profit that they do not share with the community. They contract with ICE. They sell AI tools to Israel to help them commit genocide, and their CI offering is a total fucking mess.
I use and recommend OSMAnd, but if you absolutely need an app that does less, CoMaps is a better choice
Last time I checked (years ago admittedly) OSMand didn't have usable navigation but maybe I should re-check
It's OK. Doesn't route for traffic and a lot of the places of interest are missing or out of date in my area. Does have features for stuff like semi trucks and large trailers, which is interesting.
It works great for me. I usually make GPX in advance for cycling and just follow it, but choosing navigation as a car avoiding motorways and tolls also works great (at least in Croatia, Slovenia, Italy, Austria, Hungary, Romania, Serbia and Bosnia). If you admit you're a bicycle it'll send you through people's yards tho, but it's mostly friendly yards that are supposed to be public walking spaces but someone put some fences.
That's a dead project, killed by CoMaps and just bleeding slowly from the wound. I don't care about where they're hosted, but I do about fucking Kayak ads, that's a deal breaker.
If something works, don't change it. And GitHub, not being ideal, works pretty well.
I agree, and I can forgive OSS projects still using it, but if they're inviting a discussion about it I'd hope they'd be more sensitive that:
- github is not static
- being on a Microsoft platform carries a significant risk (embrace, extend, extinguish).
- There are plenty of successful OSS hosted elsewhere and each one helps the whole system grow.
windows 10 works pretty well too. all things amazon work pretty well too. google's services very rarely have bugs, even less security breaches. they are all so convenient! why are people switching to alternatives, that are sometimes worse, sometimes better?
You should edit the post title to say "on GitHub" instead of whatever is currently going on there.
Just use CoMaps.
It looks like less of a call for actual feedback and more a call for positive reinforcement for their decision to be on there.
And they are only answering the easy questions in that thread, just basically answering those "yes" answers with "but but but...you are wrong". When someone elaborates further or presents some good arguments they just stop answering.
I'm happy I moved to CoMaps when the shitty behaviour of OrganicMaps shareholders came into light.
I'm not a user. But in my opinion, it is more important to be seen as a small project than blindly following foss. Maintaining two repos is a lot of work.
I also use as much foss as possible, no facebook, etc. but if the added benefit is large enough, one should do it. I'd much rather have an osm app with a billion users on github than a thousand on codeberg.
Not a good look for OM in that mastodon thread. Happy to have moved to CoMaps.
Has CoMaps diverged in any meaningful way yet? Apart from not having all the apps organic have, like desktop
Apart from the whole organization, governance, and openness, I haven't followed in much detail the code changes since moving to comaps, but this page has some initial changes since forking and I recall they removed the sponsored, kayak affiliate links from the fork.
And CoMaps is run by the volunteers who did majority of development on OrganicMaps anyway. Only after the fork did I start seeing actual meaningful commits in OM repo from owners themselves. For atleast a year before the fork all the big changes were made by developers who forked OM.
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