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[–] 21 points 1 year ago

Lol.

I can't even pay rent with that.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    $1,500 is still poverty...

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    It could easily be enough to lift someone out of it.

    Anyway, don't let perfect be the enemy of good.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    They should pay for free birth control as well.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    Its 1500$ per month of pregnancy or 1500$ when you get pregnant then 500$ per month.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    I feel like there’s some unnecessary editorializing being done in the headline.

    “Pays” is such a weird way of saying “providing a minimum of after-natal care for people that society generally doesn’t care about.” Sounds like a roundabout way of referencing the mythical “welfare queens.”

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    [–] 111 points 1 year ago* (14 children)

    How many studies that boil down to giving people money with no strings attached that always result in "well it improves their lives it seems" are we gonna have before people finally decide it's worth doing that stuff universally?

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Many people are driven by feelings. We all are to some extent. But for many people feelings are primary. This comes up all the time.

    You can show charts and studies and everything, but they don't care. You have to make them feel good about it.

    Frankly I'm kind of sick of pandering to overgrown toddlers, but there's no escape from it.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    i mean this is true but also the natural state of humans isn't to be filled with hatred, if it was just that people are ruled by emotion then the world would be an amazing place since most people have empathy.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago

    Even Milton Friedman, the Nobel winning economist credited for libertarianism and neoliberal economics was in favour of UBI.

    He specifically advocated for simplifying the tax code, and abolishing the welfare state in favour of progressive tax rates which included a negative income tax, which is a more extreme UBI.

    Right wing policy makers just heard the simplify tax code and abolish welfare state part.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    But Dave from the local bar says he knows someone who took advantage of the benefits system so it's obvious that everyone takes advantage of it and are just lazy and would rather get money for nothing... /S

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    This is not going to go down well on Lemmy, but: not many studies boil down to this, unfortunately.

    This article really changed my view on this https://www.theargumentmag.com/p/giving-people-money-helped-less-than

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  • [–] 80 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    The entire point of living in a society, of following the collective social contract, is to assure everybody's basic needs are met.

    To suggest otherwise is contradictory to the very core of what a society is, and at that point, its better to have no society at all.

    Given how having "no society at all" is impossible with 8 billion of us around... Either provide for everybody's basic needs, or people need to break the social contract until they enforce their needs are met.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago

    Being egoistic and wanting society to pitch in at the same time is a core tenet of the US republican party. Privatise the gains, socialise the losses is a big thing there. There are millions of people like that and unfortunately they are influencing the world-wide discourse on the issue.

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  • [–] 76 points 1 year ago* (12 children)

    $1500, once

    $500/month for the first 12 months

    That helps, but that's a far cry from "born into poverty" solutions

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    I mean, I never had a kid, but $500 a month for a year sounds like it would shore you up for all early expenses

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    When I was in high school, many years ago, I remember posters in classrooms that stated

    "It costs $800 a month to have a baby. How much is your allowance?"

    I don't know how that came up with that figure, but inflation has made this number much higher by now

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (6 children)

    it helps but $6k isn't enough for a year in Flint, MI. That 500 doesn't even cover rent.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago* (4 children)

    It's not supposed to. Wtf you having a kid if you can afford rent!?

    It's supposed to help with formula, diapers, shit like that.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    all early expenses

    since none of y'all can read

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  • [–] 56 points 1 year ago*

    Multiply that figure by at least 10, and it might actually be meaningful.

    EDIT: Ah, there's a continuing payment aspect to it.

    Well, that's actually fairly impactful then.

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    I had no idea the only thing keeping me from escaping poverty is rent for a month

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  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago

    This is normal in all the developed countries.

    Having and raising children is not a concern only for the mother, the whole community needs to be involved.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago

    As a mother of an actual human I gotta say $1,500 for a lifetime is a ridiculous figure that wouldn’t even last a week when covering basic necessities (stroller, bedding, diapers, lotion, etc.)

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    They should give out free birth control as well.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

    So 65007500 over the course of the first year. That is good stuff.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    $7500. $1500 at pregnancy + $500/month for first year = $1500 + $500 x 12 = $1500 + $6000 = $7500

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Which juuuuuuuust might cover the ride in an ambulance to go give birth (not the birth itself, just the ride).

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    If you're being facetious: this is a good thing. It doesn't solve all problems but it's a damn good start. No need to get critical about a pretty damn big step in the right direction, especially considering those starting this initiative in a local setting can't change the healthcare system nationwide.

    If you're serious: admittedly (and thankfully) I haven't had to take an ambulance, but when my daughter was born the deductible on our high-deductible plan (after which point all care is covered for the calendar year) was a fair amount under that. The system sucks, but that's not how it works either.

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  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago (2 children)
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    [–] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Think many would rather have universal healthcare and public school free meals.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    How about free college so we don't have to see our kids working minimum wage job...give those to AI and robots.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    Charity needed to support impoverished countries like Bangladesh, Liberia, Rwanda, Uganda and the good old US of A. Simultaneously the richest and poorest country in the world.

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  • [–] -4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    That doesn't even cover the hospital bill

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  • [+] -9 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Just pointing out that Hitler had a very similar scheme.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    Hitler also wanted to fuck his dog, maybe even did. Does that make him a dogfucker? Yes. Yes it does.

    I don't remember what I was going to say, but I couldn't pass up an opportunity to call Hitler a dogfucker.

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