cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/36086180

Australians soon facing age checks when viewing adult websites [& search engines, social media, file sharing, etc, etc]

And all service providers/hosts around the world are expected to comply.

Here's one summary of the looming access control measures.

Reading and understanding all this (and the linked sources) feels so.. difficult, obtuse, complex.

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[–] 26 points 1 year ago (2 children)

A natural follow on from the under 16 social media bans.

I remember when we used to laugh at the restrictions China had on the internet, yet we're happily walking down the same path.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    If they want to block normies from porn and social media I don't really give a shit. My fear is they are going to come after the fundamantal technology next: encryption, open source, open computing. eKaren used to work for very Big Tech. Everything about recent moves looks like a huge power grab for big tech and big media to data mine and control us more than ever with the force of government behind them.

    They won't be happy with people like me not buying and using their products, blocking their ads etc. The ultimate enshitification approaches. Total corporate control of our lives.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    This is what I fear too. I have never been on FB, Bezos can get f*ed, and I'm trying to deGoogle, but I fear they will come after the Fediverse and anything not controlled by Big Tech in the name of "safety".

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago

    This is fucking disgusting, the end of the internet as we know it

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    This is REALLY bad. It'll require your age be verified by your ISP, operating system, email, search engine, and the site you visit. Fines of up to $49.5 million if violated.

    If this is real, it is straight-up totalitarian.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    Haven't seen much scrutiny over the "landmark" report released by the government a couple of weeks ago which forms the basis for the practical implementation of this system.

    https://www.infrastructure.gov.au/department/media/publications/age-assurance-technology-trial-final-report

    It's not an academic study from a trusted institution or even just an established think tank, but from an organisation that sort of popped up out of nowhere some years ago which appears to provide paid certification services for age assurance companies, while also evidently offering "research" for governments on the viability of implementing these schemes. They'd previously done a similar report for the UK government, which makes me rather cynical about our government's motivations in choosing them. The news reporting on its release was a bit strange as it made it sound like the report was quite sceptical, but you don't need to spend much time looking at it to see it's very much telling the government what it wanted to hear (given they'd already committed to implementing such a scheme).

    The companies people will be required to provide their documents/biometrics to also kind of popped up out of nowhere, and these are the sorts of folks behind them: https://bylinetimes.com/2025/07/31/the-online-safety-act-is-forcing-brits-to-hand-over-personal-data-to-unregulated-overseas-corporations-with-questionable-privacy-records/

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    Haven’t seen much scrutiny

    I'm pretty sure we criticised it pretty roundly in this Community (or other Communities on this Instance) back when it came out. But yeah, not much serious pushback from established media.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    There was the section on media watch where the government disallowed the media from showing any critical views on it for a time.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    Just watched it and yeah, that's an even more depressing picture of how it was covered. The headlines I'd seen were:

    "Social media age verification possible but laden with risks, landmark study warns" (ABC)

    "Trial of tech that could be used to keep Australian under-16s off social media finds some errors ‘inevitable’" (Guardian)

    Those stories at least didn't just parrot the government's spin - trouble is they made the study sound more sceptical/balanced than it is and didn't question its credibility.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    The irony for is I'm not entirely unsympathetic to the cause they're pushing for this legislation. I don't think Social Media access to kids is healthy. Hell, I don't think Social Media access to adults is healthy. I remember when the web was read-only for morons. I'd love to go back to those days. Once any idiot could put their drivel online, they did.

    I think some sort of online test/license would be a better solution. Show people the sorts of lights and shiny they'll experience online. Teach them about misinformation. Teach them about engagement stats and how sites will do anything to keep you there and not go elsewhere. Teach them about verifying sources and checking websites for whether they are trustworthy. Give them an exam and if they pass, they can have a license to go online. Make everyone go through that and if you can pass it at 15, good luck to you. If you fail it at 50, sorry - the web stays read-only to you until you can get it through your thick skull that there are people out there who lie. Not everything you read is true.

    Of course, this would probably be just as unpopular as the approach the government is taking. Eh. I don't have all the answers.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Yep, I'm not against proper age checking as long as it's developed carefully with a secure/private by design mentality, but this government's self-imposed deadline and focus on ticking political boxes will effectively put consumer choice and privacy far below the interests of tech companies and age assurance industry investors. It's looking like a familiar story - outsourcing responsibility for the practical implementation to questionable interests and promising "industry standards" and "safeguards" to protect consumers which are then poorly enforced or not practical to enforce. That'll replicate the fundamental shortcomings of our privacy regulation more broadly which have made poor policies/practices and data breaches so routine.

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  • Goddamn tech bros bought the whole fucking world. Boring dystopia.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    Where are the Zero-knowledge (zk) implementations of this. It's possible in crypto land...

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Thanks everyone for voting for the e-karen.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    I forget who said it, but I remember a quote like, "When a bipartisan bill is being introduced that's when you know the people are getting well and truly fucked."

    EDIT: Not a quote, but this is an article from the Harvard Political Review about US policy: https://harvardpolitics.com/deadly-bipartisanship/

    Among some of the bipartisan bills are the 94 Crime Bill, The Patriot Act, yearly military budget increases, it's really a highlight reel of the fucking worst, most infamous bills from US politics.

    I'd be shocked if any liberal electoral system was significantly different to this.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Wanna bet politicians are gonna make an exemption for themselves? Just like insider trading.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (9 children)

    What the actual fuck looking at that list. She's set it up so anyone can fucking mine you. Theres insane amounts of redundancy.

    the only one i like is the ISP. If you provide your age to your isp, then you don't need anything else.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    I’m going through deciding what I can do without… but now you have to hand over ID to use fucking email?

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Operating systems are on the list. You're gonna have to go fully offline.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    I guess I will be replacing our kids linux desktops with an estasi kommissar approved OS with inbuilt spyware and advertising controlled by her American ex-employer. Who were we trying to protect?

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    This is a house entirely full of adults. I should be able to say - as account holder so a verified adult already - "there are no children accessing this shit" and then my ISP tells everyone to fuck off their age verification

    Well ideally you stop this bullshit and actually rely on parents parenting but we'll never do that shit

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    Agreed, since parental controls already exist. Kids are just a partial smokescreen I think.

    Government wants to grandstand about preventing a very visible issue with kids online, but it’s a pretty sweet deal for gaining more surveillance powers. Social media platforms and search engine companies want to slurp up even more sensitive data.

    This bullshit makes me so angry. I can dispense with everything else but I can’t do without an email address.

    Something also mentioned storage so I’m going to have to find time and disk space to download decades of photos from Dropbox and Flickr.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I haven't seen email mentioned in the legislation. I suppose you could interpret Gmail/Hotmail etc as web sites you make accounts on in order to interact with something public. But that's a stretch and it wouldn't cover all email.

    Email would suffer the same issue as Lemmy. Even if you have a perfect way of verifying users that is accurate, you couldn't stop a kid setting up a mail service on their homelab.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago*

    I’m trying to work out since it affects search engine signins would it affect Gmail.

    Also

    Relevant electronic services: covers email, messaging, online chatrooms and dating services, as well as services for playing online games together.

    I really hope you’re right because fuck that.

    As for messaging (assuming that’s texts) the phone company should already have my age.

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    [–] 51 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Australians soon engaging in wider spread adoption of VPN and tor usage.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Yeah. But the important question is where should we choose as our exit server. The UK is no good. Certain states in the US. European countries have rules. Are there any vpn servers in Africa or the Cayman Islands?

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago

    I highly recommend finding onion services on tor to replace your clearnet services when at all possible. That way you're not leaving the tor network at all. And there is no need for an exit to the clearnet at any point in the route.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    It's only a matter of time before this is everywhere. It's spreading like the plague it is. When it finally gets down to just the last few providers, they'll be watching them like a hawk.

    We need some kind of peer-to-peer network with plausible deniability built-in. like you decrypt all the chunks forward and you get segments of Linux ISOs. And if you decrypt them backwards, you get the actual payload. Old school Vera Crypt style.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    This is the real problem. As more and more countries push for laws like this I think sites will just adopt blanket age-verification for simplicity's sake instead of having to constantly keep track of which countries/states in countries require it

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago

    I forsee open directories and data hordes becoming popular

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Im surprised this is the first Ive heard, and so little response. Who do we petition, when's the march?

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Inshitification of the Internet, who would have thought.

    I wonder what it would take now to ditch the internet like one would do when ditching Facebook for example.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    It would be somewhat freeing, I imagine. Though, if you were to go hardcore, quick access to knowledge would be the biggest drawback.

    Ditching the enshittified parts would probably be easier. Can do offline maps (or paper), purge social media, and use credible sites for any information you might need to look up.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    I doubt it would be 100% completely possible, it was more of a hypothetical thought in its self.

    Knowing most services are reliant on the internet now, such a POS (point of sale) devices in stores, home phones, condo intercoms, buying airline tickets.

    Its would definitely be easier to just stay away or block enshitified parts at the firewall level. Though in some cases even then I find myself using Facebook for its Marketplace only as a example.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago*

    Don't they already check if user is over 16 if he wants to sign up for mainstream social media?

    And why the fuck does the govt. not provide the age verification tools? This is the insane part.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Yes. The powers that be now understand what the internet is, and they want to fully control it in every possible way. Not only for their interests, but to make sure the interests of their enemies are thwarted.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    It's the same on this part of the planet.
    Same suggestion to you.
    Forge a new one. Make yourself younger/older, male/female, gay/ultra max gay and then use that to watch all sorts of kinky stuff.
    Profit.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Don't you guys have some form of government ID that almost anybody can forge? Or is it an old thing?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Great. Can you forge a new one? Get a new ID. Make yourself 10yrs younger/older.
    Then watch all the porn you want.
    Simple.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Eventually a network decentralized on an infrastructure level, like a meshnet or satellite network where each satellite is controlled and owned by an individual, will be the only way to freely transmit digital information. Sending a CubeSat to LEO costs about $30k these days and will probably get cheaper as technology improves. I think a community run decentralized satellite network accessible via local meshnet through on-ground satellite-connected nodes will be the next step in the fight against censorship. As long as governments control the cables our data flows through, they won't stop trying to control it.

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    [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    "Are u in Australia?"

    [Yes] [No]

    [X] Remember my answer

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    It's obviously a global push. I expect no country is going to be spared draconian identity verification rules in the near future.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    This has already happened here in the UK, a cheap VPN fixes it

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