I feel global political oppression or global wars usually produce great music but Macklemore might be the peak.

Nothing against him, some of his songs are good, but I expected real rage inducing stuff with everything going on. Or is this just the state of music as a whole?

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[–] 55 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Keep in mind that music lost a lot of its cultural cache since your benchmark decade of the 90's. Mass culture isn't really the same as it was then. I remember Weird Al talking about doing a lot fewer parody songs just because fewer people recognize any given song.

Yeah there's still music out there, but if you don't know it that's not really your fault.

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  • [–] [S] 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    This is my whole point. Is streaming and music apps killing the massive songs like "Luke's Wall / War Pigs" , "Ohio", or "My Generation"?

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I saw a report talking about if there's a "song of the summer" this year. A lot of people said there isn't because more than ever we're siloed to our own music library/playlists.

    Personally, I spend a few hours a week actually looking for new artists to listen to. There's so much music out there just waiting to be discovered.

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  • [–] [S] 12 points 1 year ago

    I do the same thing and have discovered some great music. However, over the months or years I seem to return to classics to rage out or have a statement song. Go to a protest and you will hear " This is America" or "Sympathy for the Devil".

    I'm just wondering if this generation will have their song or is there to many bands? Can a band cut through it all and still make something like those songs?

    Maybe I'm the old man screaming at the clouds.

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  • [–] 30 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Most punk like Bad Religion, Dead Kennedys, Anti Flag, Black Flag, The Clash, Dropkick Murphys has been very political from the start.

    I know they are older now but Dead Prez, Foo Fighters, Rise Against and System of a Down are still active. Then there is the much older Roger Waters who has been very political throughout his career. And let's not forget the legendary Los Tigres Del Norte.

    But coming back to younger artists

    • Killer Mike
    • Kendrik Lamar
    • Childish Gambino
    • Anderson.Paak
    • Bambu
    • Andrew Jackson Jihad
    • Feminazgul
    • Lowkey (British rapper)
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  • [–] [S] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I'm not saying there isn't political songs, I'm saying this generation doesn't have those as much.

    I also love that you said younger artists then named killer mike. Makes me feel like a teen.lol

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    whoa Lowkey mentioned! yeah, that's the kind of politically conscious hip-hop I meant. Immortal Technique was even moreso, but he's been inactive for a long time and the extreme homophobia makes it hard for me to listen to, which is a shame.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Yes. I would like to think he was a product of the toxic masculinity culture, especially due to his time in the prison. It is a shame that while he was being radical on one front, he managed to dehumanize people who should have been his allies.

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  • [–] [S] -1 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    His music is good but I wouldn't say the same level. Give him a few more years.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Speaking as someone who's been into Nirvana and RatM since the early '90s, there's more anger and protest in 'We Live Here' than in the entirety of Nirvana's catalogue.

    Bob Vylan - We Live Here

    Sure, Nirvana were angry, but mostly in a depressed, teenage way, lashing out at an unfair world. They were angry on a personal level, mostly. Bob Vylan are angry on a social level, in the way RatM were. They're demanding the world look at the inequality they see, rallying us to take it on board and do something about it.

    If that isn't protest, then I don't know what it is you're looking for.

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  • [–] [S] -1 points 1 year ago

    Nirvana was depressed rage but it also tought a who generation about the evils of capitalism. It sparked a new style of music and it did it within a 4 year period. Nothing against Vylans but they became noteworthy due to a chant. I feel they can be a voice for this generation but they need a little bit more time and a global hit.

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    I’m glad I’m not the only one advertising Jesse Welles on here. He’s probably my favourite musician right now and I feel like no one is talking about him. His lyrics align perfectly with the average lemming I feel like.

    Also Ren is cool. I don’t like rap but I like him. He’s got great lyrics.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Kneecap have been getting massive publicity because of their pro-palestine/anti-genocide stance. I haven't listened to much to their latest stuff, but I should re-explore them.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago* (8 children)

    β€œWith the instant availability of information, and content so easily obtainable, is the culture now a product that's disposable?β€œ

    This quote goes back to 2007. 18 years later it’s not even a question anymore, music and the culture around it has become disposable.

    There’s always going to be great bands and artists who have something to say! I’ve heard some of my favourite bands just in the last 10 years. But society is never going to look at music the same, it’s just something people tap on their screen and give a quick listen, or worse; just watching some idiotic lip sync to a 20 second excerpt of it on tik tok.

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  • [–] [S] 6 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    This is America was produced in 2018. Say the word Mustard around a lot of people and they know what you are talking about. That is my whole point. We still have massive hits but no rage against the governments or wars.

    I also feel that the design of current music ecosystem is doing this as well. They can stop music being released or throw money at it.

    We don't have the bands kicking, for the most, against capitalism.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    How many indie punk bands do you listen to? In the 80s and 90s counter culture and anti-establishment is what sold music, and that's why bands like Rage were able to go mainstream. Producers and promoters don't support bands like that anymore because they know they won't make as much profit.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    My counter point is music is way easier to consume now. You can find no name bands everywhere. Durry is a great example of a band born out of the pandemic. Older group that is anti "normal" life. Seen them in concert amd have really hit a groove in their music. Indie bands have a way as before you heard them on some AM station.

    It feels like less and less big artist are less vocal against what is happening. They will speak or make a post but their music is still the same ol same ol.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    It feels like less and less big artist are less vocal against what is happening. They will speak or make a post but their music is still the same ol same ol.

    My point is that artists who are vocal don't make as much profit for the record labels as they used to, so they're not being promoted as much as they used to. RAtM only became as big as they are because they were profitable for Sony. Ironic, isn't it?

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Most people are anti-war or anti-genocide. It seems like an easy payout for artist right now. Kneecap and Vylan showed that. Most people never heard of them until the BBC stuff recently.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    There's also the wider political angle to consider. The 90s was very safe for media companies to push revolutionary talk, there was no chance it'd actually turn into revolution. Now, shit's starting to go down, and media companies don't want the government to think they're encouraging revolution.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    With the rapid rise in accessible media tuned to everyone's personal preference there's not really a single artist that is capturing attention across the board, but that doesn't mean there's not protest bangers from several artists:

    • Dropkick Murphys
    • Grandson
    • Durry
    • Otep
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  • [–] [S] 4 points 1 year ago

    Seen Durry live, great fucking show. Grandson has some good stuff plus he made music with Tom Morello. Big plus.

    I feel your statement is pretty accurate. With the wide spread access of music we are losing something. Just like shows, the common connection between each other. This is my main point.

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  • [–] 31 points 1 year ago (21 children)

    Off topic, why would you put Limp Bizkit with the classics?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    OP wasn't asking about classics, was asking about protest music

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Fred Durst is and has always been a boot sucking poser. He has never protested anything beyond a groupie telling him "no."

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    In all fairness, back in the day it was limp Bizkit that got me into rock and the much better stuff. Not listening to them anymore (maybe every now and then something from their very first album) but still, without LB I would never gotten into rock the way I'm today

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  • [–] [S] -1 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    Woodstock 99' explains it all. Play "break stuff" or "my way", shit gets you going.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    Limp Bizkit isn't anywhere close to the others on the list, might as well listed Papa Roach.

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  • [–] [S] -1 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    I love that people hate on them and try to hold them down. They were a massive band. Look at their collaboration, everyone wanted to be on there. They were pure rage.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Just because they were big for a couple years doesn't mean they produced anything of value. Angsty music for middle class white boys is nothing special.

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  • [–] [S] -3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    You should really look up woodstock 99 and see the lineup. They headlined the whole show. Doing music with Emenim, Wu-Tang, and Korn, all 90s and 00s icons. Fred Durst help out staind and puddle of mudd. You might not like them but you can't ignore what theu brought to music.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    I was in highschool when they came on the scene. I'm well aware of Woodstock 99. Nothing you said counters my point. Looking back they didn't belong in the same breath as the other bands you listed except puddle of mudd.

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  • [–] [S] -2 points 1 year ago* (1 child)
    1. 24 mil. With 10 mil highest sold over 4 cds
    2. 28 mil. With 14 mil highest sold over 4 cds
    3. 11 mil. With 6 mil highest sold over 4 cds
    4. 9 mil. With 6 mil highest sold over 5 cds.
    5. 27 mil. With 14 mil highest sold over 4 cds.
    6. 29 mil. With 13 mil highest sold over 4 cds.

    Tell me which one of these bands had the most influence. Also what does race have to do with it?

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    Records sold doesn't = valuable music, culturally. Blink 182 was huge they didn't make a lasting impact on music.

    It's ok if you like limp Bizkit but stop pretending like they made meaningful music. Next you'll be comparing them to the Beatles.

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  • [–] [S] -1 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I feel limp bizkit was the end off a period of rage. All the pent up anger that was put into just fuck shit up.

    Side note. People really hate Limp Bizkit.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    It's not even hate, I listened to their music, but I never thought they were great music. I read a lot of books mostly litrpg, I'll never pretend they are great literature but it's enjoyable, fast food books. Limp Bizkit is fast food music.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I wouldn't say pure rage... They were certainly high energy but not super focused on being angry. This may in part be due to Fred Durst adding major frat boy vibes.

    I have no idea what they're like these days.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago* (4 children)

    I'm too old to say what anything this generation is, but look up "fucked up" by Macklemore. Came out at the start of the year and it's the most rage against the machine esque thing I've heard in years. Got me riled up.

    Edit: I see you literally called him out in the post, so this is old news to you I'm sure. I'll leave it for others to find!

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Macklemore & Foxy Shazam aren't full political, but are on the blessed outskirts of mainstream media, as the good ones from every generation are (and collaborated for a song: Eric Nally (Foxy's singer) & Macklemore on Downtown (by Macklemore & Lewis)).

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  • Architechts, motionless in white, rise against

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago* (4 children)

    Well recession pop is back, check out the new Lady Gaga or Kesha albums. So there is that sort of dissonance and syncopated funkier rhythms in pop music which can usually be connected to economic and social downturn.

    I know that shit is worlds away from what you're referring to, I think you're looking for something more aggressive.

    I think the 2022 Every Time I Die record Renegade goes pretty fucking hard, I listen to Planet Shit about once a month and just rage.

    Planet B by King Gizzard and the Lizard Wizard goes pretty hard.

    You can always check out whatever Napalm Death is doing, much of their stuff is political and social commentary, in fact I love ND lyrics.

    No one has the " popular understanding of 'transgender' didn't really exist for gen x but whatever it's going to be, these songs are mostly about needing to transition but feeling unable to" that Kurt Cobain had, but Kurt did once say that early Nirvana was an attempt at copping Gang of Four, and Go4 is very political, critical and high energy. esp their first album "Entertainment!" and "Solid Gold". After that they become kinda disco.

    Also consider diving into the incredible wealth of protest music produced before the 60s. The 60s is kind of understood as a high water mark for protest music, but IMO a lot of Dylan and stuff was promoted more because he was actually less political than like Phil Ochs. Woody Guthrie, Victor Jara, The Almanac Singers, Odetta, etc., had much sharper politics than most well known artists who came after.

    Finally, last but best, not new but largely undiscovered and forgotten, the Swedish RATM: the 1998 album The Shape of Punk to Come by the Refused. By far, one of my absolute favorite left wing records

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    My whole thing, that a lot of people are missing,this generation doesn't have a lot of great music produced from the political time.

    Maybe it is a rear mirror view type of thing. Billie Holiday did not shy away due to her believes.

    If others don't know, she was harassed by the federal government. Back then, it was easy for record companies to silence you compared to today

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    So I'm a socialist, in that I go to meetings voluntarily and get in trouble all the time. I spend a ton of time heavily invested in this political stuff. And one thing that is like desperately missing from our movements is any kind of culture. So that's something that I'm also thinking about a lot, and I think a lot of people are. Not sure what to do really, still trying to figure that stuff out, but I'm actively trying to figure that out.

    Run the Jewels def have some overtly political stuff, a few tracks with Zach de la Rocha even, although Killer Mike is a little disappointing politically, but many artists are. They have newer stuff but I just really like this song

    Another group to check out is the Coup. Been making records since before the gangsta rap come up in the 90s even. Their newer stuff is pretty popular with young people too.

    Both these songs are over a decade old, fuck me

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Yes, that is my point. We aren't getting this generations stop the killing or down with the president. Nixon, Reagon, and Bush all got called out by name.

    Kendrick is goimg after a know groomer while a know rapist watches. We are having families riped apart by a secret police force while a netflix anime is topping the charts.

    It blows my mind and confuses me. Especially when I hear younger generations complain about nothing being done, while their peers do nothing.

    I guess I should be happy no one recommended country music.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    nothing being done

    Yeah that's its own sort of doomer individualism. I wish I could tell you, as someone who teams up with others to do things that the view disappears in practical work, but tbh it seems like it only increases. Idk. There are def lots of young people joining the movement. Hasn't reached a critical point but it's growing.

    I wish we had more artists since most are like political sickos

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Elder Millennial and gen x. Rage and nirvana are my jams.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    I took my daughter to a concert some years ago, when she was in middle school, and before any bands went on, "Killing in the Name Of" started up. I told her "at the end of the intro when the song starts up, everyone in the audience over 30 will start bobbing their head" and sure enough, thousands of adult chaperones all at once just start grooving

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  • Dropkick Murphys are killing it right now. Their last 3 albums are all great.

    I also really dig Jeff Rosenstock.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

    Regarding Palestine, a number of groups have done stuff on stage or donated money and so on, but there don't seem to be a ton that have written music specifically about the war. I'm guessing this is partly due to a lot of record labels supporting Israel on top of just so much other horrible shit going on in recent years. You could probably find more stuff if you looked for music by people from the countries directly involved.

    Pretty much the same situation for Ukraine I think. Bands like Jinjer are vocally pro-Ukraine.

    It's much easier to find one-off songs about a specific issue than like entire albums right now AFAICT (again probably partially because of how much crap is going on). A lot of groups also seem afraid to really hammer on specific points to avoid alienating fans I think, so it's sort of just the state of music as well IMO.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I feel like, with all the music apps and direct access to music, we would see more. Less label control because patreon, facebook, instagram, youtube, etc allows money to change hands.

    It feels like we are losing voices on major issues either by lack of skill or lack of interest. Not trying to be super political but Ukraine and Palestine is very unpopular , that's not including the leaders.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I think it's actually much harder for small artists to succeed now, even with the proliferation of stuff like social media sites and music apps. Most streaming services pay artists practically nothing, and from what I understand, touring is less profitable than it used to be because the artists are getting a smaller cut of the profit than they used to from merchandise.

    Stuff like Bandcamp and Patreon help, but those platforms are pretty small compared to something like Spotify. It's probably easier to get your name out there because of social media/Youtube, but I don't think it usually makes up for how little money they make from listeners. This is also ignoring piracy.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 1 year ago

    So we are only talking about a hand full of artist that make money. Even then it has only been the last 25? years that bands have made money.

    Bands in the, pick a decade outside of the last 90s-2010s, didn't make a lot and still spoke out. It feels like everything is now algorithm sterile. And we haven't touched the massive sellouts. Views>money>music

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    As with so many things, the barrier to entry has been lowered so far that literally anyone can have a go. And that's good. But it does mean that the vast, vast majority of art is now being experienced by an audience of maybe 20 people.

    You can spend hours crafting a beautifully soundscaped podcast that truly gets to the heart of what you need to talk about. And ten people will listen to it.

    But I suppose it was ever thus. Someone would spend a year painstakingly working on a painting, getting all the details just so. And then it would sit in their studio because they had nowhere to display it, or no one to buy it.

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    Before those, in the 60's there was CSNY, CCR, Bob Dylan, John Lennon, Buffalo Springfield writing protest bangers.

    Can't really think of much for this generation unfortunately. Instead we have, uh... Ye. :(

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  • [–] [S] -1 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Ye definitly pulled for someone 🫳

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I don't know what that slang means.

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  • [–] [S] 0 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    They don't have hitler symbols

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I still don't get it. Who doesn't have hitler symbols? Why is that relevant?

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    They don't exist, at least not in Western mainstream music. Record labels have learned from those artists and will now drop anyone who doesn't toe the capitalist/imperialist line. Like the singers being cancelled for supporting BLM or Palestine.

    And it's very specifically just for leftist messages. Kanye straight up calls himself a Nazi and sold shirts with swastikas on it and didn't get canceled for antisemitism, but tons of pro-Palestine artists did. If an artist straight up calls themselves a socialist like Tupac did it would be career suicide.

    As someone in Gen Z, I have never heard a mainstream song released in my lifetime that actually attacks capitalism beyond useless lip service or calls for any kind of anticapitalist action by the general public. They definitely exist but only by indie artists who will either never get signed onto a label or will be forced to capitulate to the capitalist propaganda machine if they do.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    Childish Gambino? Yasiin Bey? Kendrick? Killer Mike? Hip hop alone has never stopped being critical of the machine... You must be living with your head under a rock or in headphones that only play top 40 or something. There is an absolute wealth of music that takes on the various hierarchies that dominate our world...

    Edit: Doechii, ffs... Gorillaz... I could go on.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    Limp Bizkit does not deserve to be anywhere near this list. They are a piss stain on the seat of the limo Kurt Kobain's brother rented for Prom.

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