Yeah, wayland good, etc etc.

Now we're at the point where wayland is becoming the only option, while there are still some things that don't work well, like showing up a modal, opening a context menu in a window that wasn't in focus, copy/pasting from non foreground UI applications… All this under KDE, which is somewhat large in terms of good DE.

I understand the argument that if we have to move, we have to start the move at some point. But I'm not sure we have to move. People keep telling X is a messy dangerous unmaintained eldritch horror sucking on your souls every seconds, but as a user, if moving back to X fixes all the tiny weird issues and shows no obvious downside, it's hard to justify the switch.

First, I said "the init process". The systemd project reinventing the wheel at every occasion is half garbage half "yeah, it's not horrible, but we're going to iron it out again for the next decades" level of horror. You won't have to convince me of that. And don't get me started on "binary" logs that sometimes takes dozen of seconds to just show up when requested. But the management of services is an overall improvement over scripts stitched together.

I'm well aware of these discussions.

But systemd management, and overall presence, is not something most people would care about. From a user perspective, the system boots, and things works (mostly). To non admin user, running a systemd system or a sysvinit system or whatever is irrelevant.

We call that "Star Wars Syndrome."

Yeah, it's been interesting seeing all the alternatives popping up. I think I've met a lot of people who really liked MATE.

I've mostly kept using XFCE. But before I had i3 only.

In my experience it was KDE 3 that was praised, while 4 was shunned for being too bloated, and trying to be too much like Windows Aero

Interesting. I think they might have been my problem, I was just trying to use it tradicionally. I wonder how it's different nowadays.

Yeah, really baffling direction. I ended up trying a version on gnome 3 on a Debian distro when I had a new job. It ran very slowly. Super weird. It used to be super smooth.

Tried KDE in the early days, it was all over the place. Switched to gnome when it was baked. I had been gnome for years. Every update broke and replaced plugins to make it work like I wanted. I've had Windows layout since'95, I have to go back and forth a lot, so muscle memory is key.

After fucking with gnome for the 90th time. I tried KDE again, it was just layed out like I wanted. No plugins, no fucking with it. The worst thing I have to do is set dolphin not to open on single click.

I see people here going well if you don't take it as it comes you're going to have a bad time. That's pretty much the least Linux comment I've ever read. That's OSX in a nutshell.

I remember the reaction at the time and so many people hated it. I didn't dislike it, I was getting a bit into it.

We’ll, I mean as in desktop PCs. I’m assuming the “Year of the Linux desktop” thing is a joke that it’s been that long coming that people were still using desktops when people first started saying it.

That’s for desktops and laptops combined though, so doesn’t really answer. I’m curious as everywhere I work transitioned to laptops and tablets since COVID.