Which is complete bullshit, a long standing tenant of the Mormon faith was to “follow the laws of the land” but once we started actually making some social progress they started forgetting that more and more and more.

My fucking parents voted for this asshole because of abortion. I yell at them about how many these fascists have already killed. Stopping aids aid from USAID alone is going to kill thousands (millions?).

I think you mean hypocrites but I do believe Hippocrates would shit himself if he could see what we've done to democracy.

Two Corinthians

At least the chart is in legend order, I guess.

It was more of a rhethorical question and I wanted to imply, that it's not a significant number. But data (even if it's somewhat poorly presented) is always appreciated.

I'm surprised to see that there are more catholics than I'd have guessed and one could argue that the pope is a religious icon whose word matters to many even if they're not part of his specific denomination.

But on the other hand, a lot of people who represent as catholics may have been raised catholic but we don't know how much of a role that plays in their life and their political views or how much they really follow religious authority. I was raised catholic myself and for loads of people who are part of that church, the word of the pope isn't really their law to live by.

And then there's also cognitive dissonance, that I imagine to play a big role with MAGA-hats.

All in all, I'd say the pope's influence is fairly limited there.

It made me a leftist lol.

The old testament is all about a people who keep fucking up by adopting the shitty practices of the people around them, then being shamed into being better for a while. And then the person who called them out dies or leaves... But if they stay they get too comfortable with power and abuse it. Some of them are assholes the whole way through... It's about history and notable figures, it's not aspirational at all

Then the gospels are a how to guide to living under an occupying state.

No temples, we just share meals now. No relics, water is holy now. No leaders, we all serve each other. No money, no stock piles, no rich people - let the tax man have nothing to take. No open resistance to invite a crackdown, instead we're going to just be really, really obnoxious to deal with through third path shit

It worked so well Rome straight up massacred the communes to stop the spread, and it was still spreading underground until Constantine slapped Jesus branding on the Roman religion.

Finally, I'm not sure what Revelations is about, but it has cool imagery

The Bible really hits different when you don't have someone explaining each passage one by one going "oh, that wasn't mutual aid, that was magic"

New covenant, who dis?

Lol, I should bookmark the "I came to fulfill the law" verse, I whip it out so much... They're so predictable.

Ha, thanks for the correction.

I'm basing it on an understand of history and nuance.

The roman catholic church is at least sixteen centuries old. I dare you to name any human organization of which endured for over a millennium and did not partake in something odious to modern sensibilities.

I could probably go point-for-point with a rebuttal to each bad things you noted, but the only one that really merits rebuttal is "dark ages". The term is out-of-vouge in modern scholarship largely because it was essentially an anti-theistic smear from the start; the roman catholic church's obsessive need to keep books and insist that the world was made by a rational intelligence laid the fundamental foundation for the renaissance, and the era between the fall of Rome and the enlightenment was far more advanced than the term you used implies.

Like I said, whether the roman catholic church is a net-good in 2025 is entirely based on how you weight the value of both the good and bad things they do. You're free to assign them an arbitrarily high negative value because you have religious differences with them if you like, but pretending that they've never done anything good and aren't doing anything good today is a position of willful ignorance.

Come to think of it, I doubt you can find a single organization that was even a century old which doesn't have at least one black mark against them.

I mean most religion is kind of pandering to god. I guess for republicans though god is just money.