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[–] 172 points 1 year ago (45 children)
  • [–] 63 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    "small protest, one of the smallest. My speeches are bigger, much biggly"

    -turnip

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  • [+] -27 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Welll... It's honestly not that big. The entire turnout across the States was not that big. The two anti Brexit protests in London had about 1.5 million participants and Britain has a much smaller population. Most Americans don't seem to care.

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  • [–] 30 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    London population: 8.8 million

    Twin cities combined population: 3.6 million

    London public transport: pretty damn good, connections everywhere, not an insane price

    Twin cities public transport: almost non-existant, insane parking prices

    London police: sometimes reasonable and lightly armed

    Twin cities police: notoriously corrupt, heavily armed, use constant excessive force on civilians

    Mystery solved.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    Do you think the photo you're seeing is the entirity of this protest? I think you don't actually grasp the size of the US.

    This is a small turnout, relatively speaking (this one was "cancelled" so I imagine it would have even had more). I went to one in a pretty centrist-right leaning town (Much much smaller than Minneapolis... Like hundreds of times smaller), and our turnout was about the same as this photo.

    Go look at the turnout for Philadelphia.

    I haven't seen any nationwide estimates yet, but I can pretty much guarantee that it was at least more than 1 million people. at least

    Assuming you actually give a shit and aren't just here to sow division.

    Edit: I'm now seeing figures of around 4-6 million people total, with some places estimating as many as 12 million.

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  • [+] -52 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (37 children)

    It would be more incredible if those people were armed and swarming the studios of radical fascist media and beating the hell out of pro-trump talking heads.

    Standing around waving signs and cheerleading shitty chants does nothing and will be forgotten in a week.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    All this pro-violence rhetoric seems to be confusing correlation for causation.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago*

    Okay then you tell me in what scenario a corrupt fascist country of blithering idiots will suddenly decide "oh wow perhaps we should be voting for positive change for all and embrace others in an spirit of patriotic and brotherly love!"? The country has been screaming "GET MONEY OUT OF POLITICS!" for a hundred years or more and continually voted to allow more money in politics, and then spent even more money and passed laws to allow more money in politics and set up an entire media universe to tell everyone that only those with excessive amounts of money are good people and are the only ones who should lead government.

    How is YOUR way working out?

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago* (32 children)

    History has overwhelmingly shown that non-violence is more successful than violence. You do you.

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  • [+] 47 points 1 year ago (11 children)
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    Often it's the shadow of violence that is most effective. A peaceful protest, that is safe enough for families etc is perfect for snowballing. Focused action and the threat of counter violence keeps the government in check.

    Too violent, and the support collapsed, letting the police simply overwhelm it. Too passive, and the whole thing can be ignored.

    The Irish troubles are a good example. Protests and marches showed popular support. While the Sinn Fein party provided a political face. The IRA then made sure that proper attention was paid. All 3 were required to achieve their goals.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Now we are debt slaves instead. Success.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I'm wary to use terms like debt slavery or wage slavery because it downplays the horrors of actual slavery.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Yeah there are certainly logistical comparisons that could be made, but like c'mon... actually being completely and legally owned would suck so so so so much worse. Just another reminder of what's at stake if we don't put up a fight.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    it took an entire fucking war to end slavery in the United States.

    Well... how's that going?

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    if you confused about slavery legality in the united states, slavery is illegal.

    hope this helps you.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    The more I learn about history, the more I learn that violence changed things 99% of the time since before the Roman Empire.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (4 children)
  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Into the exact same regime with a new color of paint?

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Can you give one example where non-violence caused actual long standing change with 0 violence?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Norway leaving the union with Sweden in 1905 is famously one of the very few times secession was done non-violently. But to be fair there was large political pressure from Swedish socal democrats that urged the king not to go to war and the Sweds and Norwegians liked each other and remained good friends and allies afterwards.

    Maybe if both parties start to work on the relationship and get friendly right away, then you could maybe have a peaceful resolution in 50 to 100 years time.

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  • [+] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)
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    Youre really going to post the most controversial study there is because they cherry picked data?

    Please give me one actual example of where the people toppled the government and enacted change... through non-violent protesting.

    Moving the goal posts yeah yeah yeah. Give me an article or proof then of 1 single thing that caused real, permanent change, like I originally asked. Not some mass "several" article.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Violence is far more successful, historically speaking.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    No it hasnt. Power doesnt abdicate itself because you begged

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Protest aren't begging. They are a demonstration of capacity for action.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    My city has had good turnout for a few protests in the last few months, but yesterday was the first time we took to the streets and caused a few traffic jams. I know it isn't much, but it is an escalation. It was like scratching an itch, and I'm ready for whatever's next.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Absolutely not. History has shown that violence works. The Sufragettes protested peacefully for 40 years with no result whatsoever. They won because they became violent. The French revolution was a success because they resorted to violence. The American revolution was a success because they resorted to violence. Peaceful demonstrations don't work, sorry guys.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago*

    The French revolution is a perfect example of what is wrong with violent revolution. Power vacuums attract the kind of people that will do anything for power. Not to mention the chaos and confusion that came with the actual process of revolution.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago*

    The French revolution was a success because they resorted to violence.

    Are you sure it was a success? How come it seems like people immediately stopped studying French history before Napoleon comes in and tears it all down?

    Edit: Oh look its you. I see you.

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  • [–] 30 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    Did the arrow taunt you specifically for a reason? Did you steal its tater casserole?

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    We do not eat "tater casserole."

    We eat tater tot hotdish.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    All tater hotdishes are casseroles

    Not all casseroles are tater hotdishes

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Ain't nobody ever eating "casserole" anywhere in Minnesota. We eat hot dish here. If you do make a "casserole" in Minnesota, a circle of Lut'ern church ladies will burn your Minnesotan card and make you move to Wisconsin.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    That's hilarious, I learned about that not too long ago. Can you give me a good recipe, I want to try one.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    Brown a pound of hamburger. Mix it with 2 cans cream of chicken or mushroom or broccoli or whatever cream of soup you like.

    Line a casserole dish with tater tots. Add your creamy meat amalgamation and spread it all over the top of the tots. Then add another layer of tots on top. Cover with shredded cheese and bake it covered with foil for however long the tot bag says to bake them. Then uncover and broil it to crust up the cheese.

    This is just a base mind you. You can add stuff to it to your hearts content. Add green beans to make yourself feel better about this carb nuke you're about to consume. Top with canned biscuits to make a pot pie. etc.

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    [–] 99 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    I heard that the protests in MN were cancelled, which seems like a cut and dry tactical misstep from protest organizers to me, but I haven't been able to find a lot of details.

    This doesn't look cancelled.

    Anyone on the ground know more details?

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  • [–] 77 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    According to various news reports, the suspect's car had a manifesto, a hit list of people to target (one report said the list had a bunch of politicians, another said the list had a bunch of pro-choice activists), and apparently the car also had a bunch of No Kings signs in it. I'm guessing they thought he was going to slip into a protest and try to hurt people?

    Something important to know about the two people who were shot: until her death, Melissa Hortman was a member of the Minnesota State House of Representatives; and John Hoffman is a member of the Minnesota State Senate. Both were Democrats.

    And up until they were shot, the Minnesota House had 134 Members: 66 Republicans vs 67 Democrats (with one seat empty to be filled later). And the Minnesota Senate had 67 members: 33 Republicans and 34 Democrats. If the assassinations had both been successful, both chambers would have been tied. As it is, they're only saying that Hoffman is "stable", but there are no further details.

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  • [–] 26 points 1 year ago

    I'd heard it was over flyers in a car but I was hoping there was more to it than that. That's a pretty flimsy threat to be capitulating to when we're fighting murderous fascists, and sets a bad precedent.

    I was not aware of how thin dem majorities were. That's very important context, thank you.

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  • [–] 54 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I was there. The organizers were sending updates to anyone who RSVPed. I don't like the idea of RSVPing for something like this, but I did. They announced before the event that they had cancelled any elected officials who were planning to speak. They also said something like, "If you are told that the event is cancelled, that is just a rumor."

    Several officials did speak and they were pretty epic, honestly. I don't know if they announced the cancellation as a red herring and had everyone speak as planned, or if the speakers I saw were the late replacements. IMO this was a much bigger crowd than the first Hands Off protest.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago

    Interesting. I'm in small town VA, and moved house today, and am pretty keenly feeling frustration that I couldn't show up today. Searching for local actions, I landed on the base nokings.org page at some point, where there was a bright red banner saying that MN events that weren't already started were canceled at Tim Walz' recommendation, because the assassin was still at large. I can't say what time I saw that, I looked for news several times today

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago

    They announced before the event that they had cancelled any elected officials who were planning to speak. They also said something like, "If you are told that the event is cancelled, that is just a rumor."

    Ah, thank you! That makes a lot more sense to me now.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago

    We all knew about the stay home advisory. A lot of folk were only more determined to gather, and there was a general understanding that if there was an attack, it would throw gasoline on the movement as a whole. Crowd energy is weird.

    Plus I spent three hours making my sign.

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  • [–] 91 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Americans should be proud of this. This is beautiful.

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  • [–] 79 points 1 year ago (13 children)

    And republicans think trump is loved by the world.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    No, they know, but they're trapped by blackmail or greed.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    They have to keep pretending, so they remain in power. Political kayfabe.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Right wingers chronically overestimate their own popularity.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    i mean, consider the following:

    when i was a kid, the general societal narrative was that you're a man, you gotta be strong, you gotta not be so sensitive, certain things just have to get done, man up.

    If you're exposed to that mentality 100% of the time, and you absorb it and live exactly by these rules, then certainly you would expect to be well-liked, having fulfilled all the rules and all, no? That is why people having that kind of toxic behavior always think they're well-liked: because they follow all the advise they were given when they grew up. so certainly, things must be alright for them, no?

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    So republicans think trump is loved by the world.

    democrats need to stop pretending there are sane republicans.

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  • [–] 59 points 1 year ago

    More people visible at a cancelled protest than some ego-stroking event that happened in DC...

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  • [–] 51 points 1 year ago

    And this is after they "cancelled" it.

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  • [–] 32 points 1 year ago

    Can I get this side by side with trump’s inaugurations please

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    [–] 27 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    That looks like a bigger crowd than trump's birthday war parade.

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago

    This is the picture I've been scrolling for. Thank you.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago

    I do see people's point about America just being such a passive or incredibly violent country. But, when I went out to the protest, I did notice that you had anarchist, grannies and liberals in the same setting. So we gotta watch and see what happens over time. But I mean, I think collective suffering is going to push people to the edge. Which eventually will awaken something, I hope. In the meantime, I have my eyes set on Europe. At least the cheeseburger kings bday party was an absolute flop. You can see it in his face. Trump is such a little baby bitch.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago

    Yes, there you go! Good job, USA!

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Republicans should be terrified at this point. The protests are peaceful ... for now.

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