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[–] 203 points 1 year ago (15 children)

I am in dire need of a true Linux Phone

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  • [–] 32 points 1 year ago (4 children)
  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    A nice sentiment but in reality the n900 and n9 were both too slow to use. That's the first thing that would have to be fixed.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I did alright with mine. I figure a modern one would have modern hardware in it. People forget how dire the performance on the first couple of iPhone generations was, too. The N900's contemporary was the iPhone 3GS, I think, which was an objectively terrible device in every metric except sales.

    Oh, and the N900's inbuilt phone dialer was also kind of ass. But I found its performance more than acceptable, and it could run full fat Firefox including the Flash plugin, which was still a big deal at the time, whereas its competitors could barely render a web page.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    The 3GS was fine for me and much more response and useful than my previous phone, which happened to ba a Nokia N75.

    I developed early web apps (and frontends for native apps) for iPhone and Android around the time the Nexus One launched. If you spent any time using both, the iPhone was a better phone even though the hardware specs didn’t suggest it, I used the 3GS until upgrading to the iPhone 5S. My wife was on an earlier schedule and went 3G, 4, 5C, and we still play old games on her 5C around Halloween with our kid now 12 years later.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Hmm I didn't use early (or later) iphones, so idk. In that era I had a Nokia N63 (sort of a Blackberry knockoff) which was really nice. I had an N900 but rarely used it. Later I got an N9 and used it mostly because my N63 crapped out. But the N9 was also near unusable. I finally broke down and got an Android phone in 2017 or so (Moto G4, cheap and obsolete even then) and it was lightning fast by comparison.

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  • [+] 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)
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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    That does sound fucking based, but probably can't run android apps as well right?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago*

    LiberuxOS contain jailed Android I think. Bit if not you can install Waydroid.

    In any case, this is the other side of freedom. For some reason, people want corporations to provide them with convenient functions and applications for free and not take anything as a substitute. It doesn't happen that way, communism hasn't arrived. Either convenience under the wing of corporations, or freedom in all its wild splendor.

    UPD: Freedom systems will never even become popular and convenient if everyone chooses the convenience of corporate systems.

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    [–] 113 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Don't forget rock solid app gets an unexpected update 3 years later and now is jammed with ads and offers an ad free subscription at $14/week

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  • [–] 51 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Yeah app purchases sure went to shit, didn't they? Sorry turns out buying an app one time for a small fee isn't good enough, we need you to buy it again every month.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I'm glad I heard of Discord's plan to add ads to their Android app beforehand so I had the chance to disable updates. It's annoying that Android keeps reminding me there's an update available, but it's less annoying than ads.

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  • [–] 30 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Blocking basically all ads on your phone is trivially easy.

    1. Find "Private DNS" (or something similar) in your settings
    2. Set it to dns.adguard-dns.com

    And that's really it. There are other ad-blocking dns providers out there, and they all use slightly different block lists. I like adguard because their blocklist is less aggressive than others I've tried, and I'd rather an ad or two get through than for something legitimate to stop working.

    You can also set it up as your dns provider in your router to block ads on your entire network. People tend to like to self-host adguard or pihole for that, but as long as you don't care about a dashboard or manual dns entries, using a free dns is as easy as it gets and is very effective. I self-host as a hobby and I still just use adguard's public dns.

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  • [–] 58 points 1 year ago* (16 children)

    iOS jailbreaking used to be incredible too.

    I guess it might still be for those who slipped into the “window” to do it, but I have no clue what Cydia looks like these days.

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  • [–] 50 points 1 year ago (15 children)

    Cydia is practically dead, replaced by Sileo or Zebra, and most tweaks are paid now.

    I miss when people did stuff for a hobby or for fun. Literally everything wants your money these days it seems.

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  • [–] 36 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    It's not like everything (or rather every dev) necessarily wants your money. We're forced to monetize even our hobbies in an attempt to live a worthwhile life. It's a cancerous system infecting everything and everyone.

    To develop great FOSS software without the need of monetization is an enormous privilege.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago* (8 children)

    Oh that sucks. It’s par for iOS though.

    Yeah, me too. So what if apps were simpler than they are now… that would be nice.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    It truly was a great time when the scene was really bumping. Maybe one day we’ll pendulum swing back to something along that peak jailbreak scene.

    Maybe..

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    You made me wonder if there could ever be an avenue for Apple to support this, especially with Google just getting worse and worse with android.

    Apple makes a ton of money on just hardware sales. Imagine if the next iPhone had an option that would delete iOS, possibly blow some kind of security fuse in the CPU that voids your warranty (because they still have to be dicks), and reboot into an unlocked bootloader. They could boost sales and be even shittier to Google by rolling their own distro of Linux/Android/BSD for the phones with solid drivers for everything.

    That veered off into fantasy land immediately, since that is not how Apple does things. And they do have services to sell too. But even if they only enabled open access on older models it could move a ton of units. Interesting to imagine.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    I feel like iPhones had a sweet spot between the 4 and the... I dunno. A few generations after that? Where jailbreaking was rampant and incredible, and the phones are basically like the 16 now.

    Then Android had a 'sweet spot' after that. Their quality and UI fluidity really caught up, to the point where my old Razer Phone 2 (SD845) still feels faster than an iPhone 16.

    After that... well, I dunno where to go :(. Feels like both platforms are locking down.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    would be nice

    Omay, but, and hear me out on this: what if we added microtransactions to your email app and keyboard app?

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    I held onto jailbreaking till the end. I have a iPhone on iOS 17.0 and TrollStore for permanent sideloaded apps. It’s pretty awesome! There hasn’t been anything like a jailbreak or TrollStore since then. I wish I had bought an iPhone 15 on iOS 17.0 at launch so I could hold onto this as long as possible. Having a lower end iPhone I’ll probably need an upgrade in the next year or so.

    You can get a similar experience to TrollStore by paying for an Apple developer account or a third-party signing service that abuses Apple developer accounts. It seems android users may have to do a similar thing in a few years.

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  • [–] 58 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    AOSP

    Android Open Source Project

    look inside

    not open source

    mfw

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    You can still use AOSP to make your own phone, but you'll just have to built your own apps too, since eventually, all of google play apps aren't gonna work on degoogled Android.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago*

    you'll just have to built your own apps too

    We are well on our way.

    I was confused before I made the switch. So many of the most useful kinds of apps weren't maintained anymore by anyone on the Google Play store. I had this surreal feeling that the app ecosystem was getting worse every year.

    And then I installed F-Droid and figured out where all of my favorite app developers went. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Not a big deal, considering that FOSSIFY project offers all the basics you'd need for a degoogled phone: call app, messaging, contacts, calculator, calendar, gallery, etc. F-droid also has a good selection of apps, though most people, me included, will still need whatsapp one way or another. At least that thing doesn't need any of Google's "essential" apps.

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  • [+] 55 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)
  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    No. No it's not that. The politics of silicon valley are turning fast, and not in good directions.

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  • [–] 88 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    CyanogenMod, how I loved thee

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Is LineageOS not good? I thought that was forked from Cyanogen?

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    They had to throw out lots of customization options, because Google made a ton of changes to Android/AOSP and it wasn't compatible anymore.

    Like, LineageOS is still a more feature-rich and cleaner OS than what comes preinstalled on most phones. But yeah, even relatively simple stuff like setting a system font never got a real replacement.

    No idea, if it is still easily possible to implement that. You can fake it by replacing the Roboto font file with a different font, but you get weird font issues in various apps then.

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  • [–] 37 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    It's happening, I'm finally getting nostalgic from tech memes. The days on xda forums and IRC. Thankfully IRC is still alive. Xda seems to be dying to telegram and Google's enshittification

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  • [–] 31 points 1 year ago

    I just hate that so much. The openness was one of the two reasons why I got an android phone. The other one being the price.

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  • [–] 62 points 1 year ago (29 children)

    i cant wait for mobile Linux to be ready, I will switch in a heartbeat.

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    Ubuntu touch is a thing, But the only platform it's running properly on is halium, which is basically an Android core and bootloader that virtualizes the OS.

    It works, and it has pretty good battery life, but it's not really Linux on the phone, they're using Android drivers under the hood.

    The real Linux distributions that exist that are running on metal don't have all the drivers worked out yet for modem and VOLTE, But those are close, i'm not worried about that, But I am worried about is the average of 6 hours of battery life on a 3500 mah battery. Android has battery life down to a science. Those apps just become snapshots and disappear into the background and restore like nothing happened when you need them again.

    I started diving into this one Android started showing their ass a couple of months ago. If you want to use hallium, You might be able to daily drive it if you don't have high expectations, The guy I was following that tested it out so that helium / touch was so lockdown that he couldn't even install unsanctioned apps from the terminal because the VM would brick itself.

    I can deal with not running most phone apps, But I really don't feel like moving from one lockdown OS to another just for the hell of it. If Google pulls this s*** I will get out at the first available stop.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (16 children)

    Pinephone exists now, you can buy it today. It runs Linux.

    Calls/SMS do work although are not 100% so if you absolutely need these to be reliable you could get a brick phone for like £15 to cover that and then use the Pinephone as a pocket computer. I used it as my only phone for a couple of years and it was mostly fine, now it doesn't have a SIM in it and its perfect as a pocket PC.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Follow pine64 news, they stopped producing new pinephones since they arent in demand enough

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I thought that was just the pro?

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    the pro was discontinued but the base model is only going to be produced for another 2 years. Hopefully they release a next generation model but if they are toning down upper end models then I'm not convinced.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    Mine has postmarketOS on it, probably should update sometime.

    One thing I would like is decent offline maps with good performance, don't even care of it supports GPS or not. Pinephone has no SIM in it these days and that sits in a CatB40.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    If calls/SMS are not 100% then it’s not a phone

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    That is where the dumb phone comes in which only deals with calls/SMS.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Pinephone battery usage (with postmarketOS) is atrocious. I bought one and it's been collecting dust in a drawer ever since the first 3-4 times the battery drained from 100 to 0 within 24 hours on stand-by. :( My fastest wasted 700ish EUR ever.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    How so much? Mine was about £200 after delivery and import taxes. Still my most expensive phone but the best computer I have ever put in my pocket.

    Shame that calls/SMS are not perfect, but I have since for a dumb phone for that so the SIM sits in that instead.

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  • it's been 3 years or so but I may have bought a pinephone pro because the simple one was out of stock? Plus convergence package, plus shipping, plus outrageous money transfer fees - German banks are basically thieves when it comes to international transfers outside the EU.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    Permanently connect it to a power bank?

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (1 child)
    1. great use case for a mobile device /s
    2. lithium ion batteries are really nothing to feel comfortable around
    3. wasting energy is wasting energy

    So - no, it's now expensive electronic scrap, sadly. While my shiftphone easily lasts 24 hours with regular use and 3+ days on standby.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago*

    Saw someone else mention sailfish! There is also PostmarketOS I've recently seen footage of it running on a OnePlus phone and it looks way more stable than I'd expected!!

    Edit= apparently just 2 oneplus phones and sparse other phones are supported, and stability varies per device =/ you can check here to see if your phone's supported!

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I've been looking to switch as well... But it's hard to find a supported device. Dammit, I want Mobian so bad...

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    honestly I just want the same install and use experience as fedora KDE gives me on my laptop. ive installed all kinds of goofy rice-esque stuff but the system itself has been entirely out of my way since install.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    It won't happen due to voice over lte.

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    Voice over l t e is not standardized and the carriers on the I p to connect to their system. So every carrier has an encrypted blob that only works with whatever version of phone they want to sell. If you have a major phone like an iPhone or a pixel, then apple and Google work to make sure that those seemlessly download.But if you're any other brand you're kind of screwed. Even Samsung has issues since I can't use the Play Store to distribute it in their own app.Store doesn't have good support from the carriers. The carriers really push that only the phones are purchased from them work. Spokennoise, they also pushed it unsecured.Devices need to be wiped, including them voiceover Lte data.

    Look at the issues with australian service right now , they are even trying to stop iphones from other countries from using it. Apple has a whole system to make sure that all phones work with the same voice over lte stuff following the bands match and auto download the blobs.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    I'm probably going to spam this around a bit, since most people don't seem to know about it, but a reminder that FuriLabs has a (GNU+)Linux phone with decent spec.s and the ability to run Android app.s (from what I've heard) pretty decently: https://furilabs.com/

    Biggest drawback is it's based on Halium. Usual growing pains of a new product/company apply but apparently the company is pretty responsive and their dev.s have worked with customers to get things like calling working with the carrier and bands of their country where it hasn't worked before so improvements move pretty quickly.

    Collection of different experiences I've variously seen online over the last year or so:

    I don't own one, myself, so I can't give any personal experience but I've seen it around for a few years now but most people don't seem to even know about it. Maybe there's a reason for that? But none I've ever seen anyone say.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    What is halium and why is it a drawback ?

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    https://halium.org/ (not me insinuating you should've just searched for it; I just like to be thorough and give all possible information, even if unneeded)

    The very simplified explanation (as far as I understand things) is that it uses an Android kernel to run Linux on so that hardware issues are minimized (the biggest difficulty that Purism and the Pinephones have had and why they've been harangued in terms of what they can do is they're trying to provide open hardware that can work with the pure Linux kernel).

    So the plus side is that things work with Android hardware – because you're, ultimately, using the Android kernel – and you can (theoretically) open up the number of devices you can run on exceedingly.

    Downside is (I believe) you get Google/Android closed bits running and you're tied to the development of whomever made that modified kernel. All the complaints about not getting kernel upgrades after a while (because you're using a modified kernel, you can't just pull the latest and greatest from upstream and use it) that people have with Android will still apply.

    Given the moves Google's making, it's not a deal breaker, for me, but I know it can be for some people so just wanted to give people the heads up.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    @unknown1234_5@kbin.earth, @Korhaka@sopuli.xyz, @Tyr_Raidho_Othala@reddthat.com, @nimble@lemmy.blahaj.zone

    (only because you all expressed desire for a proper Linux phone and I've still, yet, to've seen anyone mention this in this thread; may not fit your needs but in case no one knew of it, yet)

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