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[–] 228 points 1 year ago* (17 children)

Imagine joining the Marines and ending up doing this for Donald Trump and Pete Hegseth.

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  • [–] 140 points 1 year ago (15 children)

    The oath clearly states you'll follow legal orders of the officers above you. I would like to think when I was in the military I would refuse to follow these illegal orders. In reality I have no idea what I would do. It would be a long legal battle and potentially life ruining event to do the right thing.

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  • [–] 82 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Soldiers aren't lawyers either. So you'd have to be super confident in your knowledge of the law to risk discharge or imprisonment.

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  • [–] 61 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Yeah, for most things. But when it comes to fighting your own citizens, it feels pretty cut and dry. But again, this is easy for me to say now that I'm not wearing the uniform anymore.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago

    I appreciate your honesty. People make it sound so easy to do the right thing but when you're in a group like the military where conformity is pretty much a matter of life and death, it's like a very hard decision to make.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago

    The USMC has a chain of command whose job it is to know this shit. They let those Marines down and have stained the honor of the Corps.

    The writing has been on the wall since at least last February or whenever it was trump replaced so much of the DoD top brass. This was always what - in his first term he tried to send troops to Oregon and the DoD correctly told him “no”. Those people are replaced with scum who don’t mind violating the Posse Comitatus Act.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    There does exist a hotline to call if you're being given illegal orders, at least.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    What good is it when they're doing it live on television?

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  • [–] 39 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Thank you for being honest about it. A different thread over the same topic people were saying it’s very simple and military should be able to easily disobey these illegal orders. Reality is much different. I know it’s very scary to potentially throw your life away to do the right thing and no one can truly say what they would do in this type of situation without actually living it.

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  • [–] 28 points 1 year ago

    Yeah, you're talking about potentially getting a dishonorable discharge making it super hard to get another good job and potentially going to military prison. It's an insanely hard situation to be in. The guilt you'll live with for following orders or having life long economic ruin. I'm just so glad I'm not in the military anymore.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    In my country there’s a thing called court martial. I guess it’s the same in the US. So if a soldier disobeys it’ll probably be that.

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  • [–] 97 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    Oh hey look more blatantly illegal shit from orange leader

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  • [–] 26 points 1 year ago* (4 children)

    orange leader

    Ah hem, refer to him with the respect the office deserves.

    It's Mustard Mussolini to you peasant.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    This is what the NRA have been waiting for, is it not? Let's just watch them leap into action to safeguard constitutional rights against an oppressive regime.

    Any minute now.

    Any minute now.

    Here they come! Oh, sorry it's a pigeon.

    It must be soon.

    Hmm...

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  • [–] 40 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    "Any temporary detention ends immediately when the individual(s) can be safely transferred to the custody of appropriate civilian law enforcement personnel," a spokesperson said.

    Coming soon:

    "Day 3650, we'll transfer you to an appropriate civilian law enforcement personnel soon, prisoner."

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    They can't perform arrests. They can only temporarily detain them with zip ties and transfer them by van to the police station.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    What is their documented legal definition of the length of "temporarily detain"?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Depending on the state, you may detain someone in the process of a crime until law enforcement can take them. I know in Texas, civilian arrest powers are very similar to police.

    Being active military throws a huge wrench in this, however, as well as being ordered to a place and deployed with the purpose of policing. You can’t just throw up a “this is federal property” defense, because this is also a public building.

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  • [–] 35 points 1 year ago (3 children)
  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago

    I read the article. He crossed a yellow taped off area of the building perimeter.

    He was a vet headed into the building for some reason and the marines stopped him, detained, turned over, and he was then released.

    The guy didn’t seem to phased by it. Overall I’d give it a 5/7.

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  • [–] 28 points 1 year ago

    That tattoo on that pigs knuckles; anyone got a better image? Ms13?

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  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I feel SO free right now. :P

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  • [–] 26 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    …

    Reuters images showed Marines apprehending a civilian, restraining his hands with zip ties and then handing him over to civilians from the Department of Homeland Security.

    Asked about the incident, the U.S. military's Northern Command spokesperson said active duty forces "may temporarily detain an individual in specific circumstances."

    "Any temporary detention ends immediately when the individual(s) can be safely transferred to the custody of appropriate civilian law enforcement personnel," a spokesperson said.

    …

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  • [+] 87 points 1 year ago (9 children)
  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    OK. This needs to be said. Not every 2A adherant is a magat or a republican. There are many of us actual leftists that are armed and getting ready to actually fight this shit. The NRA != every armed American, and the time for leftists failing to be armed is long gone. Dems have been fighting against an actual armed left for decades because they love their capitalism. It is time to mobilize for real.

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  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago (1 child)
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  • [–] 29 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    This is why I'll never thank the troops.

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  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Troops who invade our country and do violence to our people are our enemy, no matter what flag they fly or uniform they wear. Fuck these scum.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    I can't stop thinking of the contrast between charged-up Americans willing to fight, kill, and die in a shitty battlefield for our freedoms but when our freedoms are being destroyed as the main attraction these guys are nowhere.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    Diapered States Goon Corps. Good job clowns.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    What would happen if someone were to detain a group of marines (with the minimal force necessary), in the wrong assumption - honest mistake - that they were about to execute illegal orders?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    You ever come across the hornet's nest that you need to clear, where they can sting you multiple times and aren't really afraid all that much of dying.

    Unless they're willing this is probably notably worse

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    They're trained and equipped in a way that you are not. I do not expect this to succeed unless you've already convinced them that they want to surrender.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    While they have the physical ability to resist, they don’t have the legal right. They are subject to the same laws as anyone in the US.

    In fact, they might be commanded to stand down and accept it, because the legal implications of acting like an occupying force would have long term, very bad effects for the existence of the marines.

    While that might sound far fetched, the marine corps is smart, and would allow a few soldiers to face some humiliation and risk the government that funds them thinking “what if that was my kids?”

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    MacArthur would be proud.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    So it begins! Buy the ticket, take the ride! This is what you get for electing rump

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    This is what you voted for protest-non-voters.

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