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[–] 110 points 1 year ago (13 children)

Sounds an awful lot like the social credit score China was working on a few years back. Wouldn't be surprised if mods start preemptively banning users based on their AI summaries.

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  • [–] 28 points 1 year ago* (9 children)

    The "social credit score" in China was blown out of proportion too. It probably changed since I last looked into it. But when that shit was all over American media it was literally the equivalent of a background check or credit score in the US. Work history, loan and credit history, etc.

    Like, it's funny how we can have essentially the same exact thing but only critize China's version of it. Make it scary by adding "social" to the name. People ate that shit up.

    Edit: to be clear I think both should be critized. Especially related to criminal history bias on race. But we spend more time talking about the Chinese version that doesn't actually effect anyone's lives in the US.

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  • [–] 29 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    It was blown out of proportion by american media but its still used to levy economic punishment and blacklist people from using basic features of society like riding a train or catching a flight.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    I'm not sure thats accurate, most descriptions I see from chinese people indicate it varies by province, but none of them mention being banned from catching trains or planes. Tons of clickbaity youtubers clai.ing they were, including a mma dude who went China to challenge wushu practitioners to actual fights, but its never someone who lives in China, and when I asked people they had no idea wtf I was talking about.

    Also, its weird for any American to criticize a system that bans people from flying when we have the no-fly list.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    The difference is that China is using the government to put these restrictions across all its platforms for unrelated behavior. In America its private companies banning people from their own airlines and the government only gets involved when there is crime.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    The no-fly list doesnt require you committed any crime. Literal children are on it.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago

    Literal children are on it.

    Its worrying that you confidently repeat that without considering if its actually true. There are no kids on the no fly list, you've probably read the headline of people claiming there were kids on it. What happened was name overlaps both the kid and the terrorist had the same name and it drew some confusion when the kid went through airport security but he was passed through once they saw it was a 4 year old. There have been a few cases like that.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    The city of Suining reportedly deducted points for government petitions and online comments, Suzhou planned penalties for reservation no-shows or cheating in online games, and Rongcheng for littering or jaywalking.

    But in 2020 policy changed to a positive only points system, more like a loyalty scheme.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Next time I meet someone from Shanghai or Chongqing, I will ask them if they'd ever heard of someone from Suzhou or Suining being restricted from using public transit. But I'm incredibly skeptical that missing an appointment or cheating in online games results in someone being unable to scan a bus or book a train.

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  • [–] 35 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    I am thankful for the fediverse and hope this never finds its way over here.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Unfortunately, you know it will. If it can be done, someone will do it.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago

    Sure, but one instance making something stupid doesn't mean all or most will. The decentralizing part has its advantages and disadvantages. Not being owned by a single corporation with stock holders is definitely the main advantage.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Honestly the fediverse is already a bit of a privacy nightmare, and people refuse to take it seriously. Our version of this horror will include your comments and voting activity and likely a bunch of other telemetry which isn't public on reddit. Oh and it won't just be a single "official" AI agent, it will be dozens of them from every corporate or government which wants to build a user database and keep it around forever.

    We could bake real privacy protection into our fediverse apps, but the admins and devs seem to have completely punted on this.

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  • [–] 32 points 1 year ago

    Fuck Reddit and Fuck Spez.

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  • [–] 29 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    What they're talking about here is a blueprint for stamping out individuality.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Omg, you are such a Monica.

    Human personalities can be clustered into which member of the cast of Friends they most resemble.

    Fortunately, Friends is so brilliantly written that they managed to capture the entire spectrum of human diversity.

    (this is snark. I am totally a Chandler.)

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  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago

    This person has strong opinions about the population of people currently victim to a live streamed genocide their tax dollars are funding.

    Well, fuck, I would sure hope so.

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  • [–] 45 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    i'll tip $5 to the first person who makes the ai say a slur

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    If I get it to call itself a clanker does that count?

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    it would need to get censored on network tv

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    That means that even the N word wouldn't count... 🤔

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago
    [–] 18 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    did you guys not use reddit detective back in the day?

    also..

    you get what you get in that shit show anyway.

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  • [–] 36 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I did, but the key difference is that it didn’t make an evaluation for you. It just gave you a collection of facts with some hard-coded things to look out for.

    The new thing is way worse. It’s just skipping the facts part entirely.

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  • [–] 24 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    It’s just skipping the facts part entirely.

    Whoa, whoa, whoa. Vibe facts are just as valid as normal facts. ChatGPT told me so. /s

    I felt gross typing that.

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  • [+] 16 points 1 year ago (1 child)
  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Fuck reddit. Corporations ruined it.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    nothing shows up for profiles viewed on old.reddit.com.

    huzzah!

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  • [–] 24 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Can we get some more titties on Lemmy so I have zero reasons to go to that crappy site?

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (1 child)
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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    Amazon uses something similar to summarize product reviews, and it seems fine... But who knows how accurate it is.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    I'm curious how stuff like this works. Surely, many people's post histories can't fit into context. So, maybe the LLM keeps some sort of "blackboard" of summaries of posts, and edits it as it goes along? Would be pretty computationally expensive. I suppose another way would be to create embeddings of each post, and do some sort of clustering or something.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago* (5 children)

    The same way that you can look at someone's post history, skim it, and more or less understand what their deal is.

    Most users on reddit don't have this diverse set of interests or posts. Most of them post on the same subs and repeat the same types of posts... ad nauseam. Most people, online, aren't much more sophisticated in their language use or POV or anything... than a bot.

    Sure, 10 years ago you'd look at someone's post history and it would be all over the place, and they'd be writing detailed and nuaced paragraphics in lots of detail... but that's not what reddit is like anymore, or most of the internet really. God I remember when libertarians actually had decent theoretical argumentation to defend their viewpoints... and now it's just memes and cliche phrases repeated over and over.

    Pretty easy for any LLM to parse a person who just incessantly posts about the same stuff over and over. And if it came across someone doing long-form explanatory stuff... it would just ignore that data since that doesn't fit the task LLM is designed to process.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (4 children)

    If you want to relive the old times there's a few of us minarchists libertarians that migrated over here. But yeah most of us got banned from /r/libertarian back in 2014. I'm still pretty sure it was a Russian govt backed op. Whole mod team was purged twice. Once all of us troublesome posters who would point out that all the new talking points were antherical to personal liberteries and freedom we were muted it devolved rapidly.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (3 children)

    It's all about controlling the narrative.

    Anyone who doesn't comply with whatever the narrative is gets banned. Whatever the political ideology is, it devolves into 'true believers' vs everyone else, and the true believers are the ones who have no idea what their ideology really is other than shouting slogans and issuing purity tests on their fellow members.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    The thing is the sub used to be a anti echo chamber. Open to all debate daily there would be questions and open discussion about policy and global politics. It was literally a free and open forum. Anyone could post and all were encouraged to debate in a atmosphere similar to a change my view type setup.

    https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2018/12/reddit-libertarian-takeover-far-right/

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    I wonder what it would do on my empty reddit account that I cleared all the comments on before coming here

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    Ooo found a scary Reddit poster who might upset me. Thank Odin AI is here to save me like this /s

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    Time to find out what my profiles look like... so I can post differently on purpose.

    edit: That third party site doesn't know what to make of me, so reddit might be equally confused.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    Could one make a bot that automatically blocks people for you based on these descriptions. See how the admins like that.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Reddit won't ban the shitheads but they will summarize their post history so you can better determine who the shitheads are! ....thanks?

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Narrator : "they were all shit heads"

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago*

    my fav is people who harass you via messaging about some random comment you left months/years ago about how deeply hurt and offended they are.

    I'm fascinated by the level of egotistical delusion it takes to be offended by random internet comments, let alone ones from old threads.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    This really makes me think the Amish were right after all with regards to modern tech.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I personally wouldn't go that far. But, yeah, we need to de-tech-ify a bit. And I am all for steal the control of the internet back from giant corporations.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    it's not tech that is the problem. it's predictive algorithms that push users to passive consumption of media.

    The internet was interesting when it was random. algorithms remove randomness. corporations loathe randomness. in the 2000s everyone was going on about how tech/internet was going to allow us this international cultural renaissance by making everything everywhere accessible to everyone...

    Remember when netflix and spotify algorithms actually helped you find interesting and new content? I do. But those algorithms didn't promote the right content... so they were changed to promote the 'right' content that benefited their owners most, not the users. Now if i want to find random/new/interesting stuff... I have to manually search for it and know exactly what I'm trying to find... because that type of content is actively suppressed.

    the algo driven internet has only been predominantly since the 2010s

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago

    Lol that is some dystopian shit right there.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I read about a political polling company that will begin creating AI bot versions of the people that they poll. And they will use those AI bots to ask additional questions in the future. Questions that may not exist at the time of the poll.

    Imagine what companies like Reddit will be able to do with their user data and advertisers.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I looked at my account to see if I'd have one, nope.

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    Just wait til they do that using tracking cookies and IP addresses across every site you visit, and sending the results to President Trump.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    i wonder what my old Reddit account is.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    That summary doesn't say anything. It's just the most neutral statements.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    Agreed that it doesn't say anything because 'strong' and 'provocative' mean different things in different contexts such as subs with very different users.

    A fediverse example is saying 'AI sucks' isn't provocative in c/Fuck_AI but is on the dbzer0 instance if provocative is based on votes or replies. Strong can just mean direct and clear. Sure, they might comment a lot about Palestine but the rest doesn't indicate whether they support Palestine or Israel because there is no context for what subs they post in.

    Just worthless word salad.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    It’s not just Reddit, anything public is being scraped by AI and all anyone has to do is just ask any of the LLMs and they can provide the same kind of summary…

    Lemmy isn’t safe, even if it’s not built in

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  • [+] [S] 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 child)
  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    I was actually able to run it on a couple different users and it was very in-depth. On your username in particular it showed this thread so they must be searching the web for the username. It could be that newer models are searching more instances than they were before as well.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Yeah, AI is so reliable that this is totally helpful and nuanced. Probably counts down votes on comments about how Israel is committing genocide in conservative subs when determining if their comments are 'provocative'.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    or when discussing the epstein files. the mods was able to completely quash the discussing by tricking them into only discussing it on a megathread then deleting it or banning anyone sitll taking about it. the mods are backed by russia too.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    That actually seems like a good feature. If I open someones profile and thats the description I can instantly save myself time and energy by not replying and blocking.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    That sounds like a pretty good feature if you ignore the lies AI might produce

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