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[–] 108 points 1 year ago (11 children)

Before online influencers, it was AM radio.

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  • [–] 52 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (8 children)

    Which only reached middle aged and older men who drove a lot

    Edit: I don't get the downvotes. In AM radio's heyday, pre-2000, women and younger people were not listening to it at all. Older men were the target demographic. Of course everyone had access to radios, but women and younger people were listening to FM, not Rush Limbaugh. And at home, AM was never on unless you were in a very rural area and an AM station was your only choice.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    You know some people really show their age when they talk about the past..

    Their were just as many radios as we have TVs now back in the day

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    Being someone from back in the day, yes, I remember. And back then the dominant demographic who tuned in to AM talk radio like Rush Limbaugh were white men driving for work. There were just as many TVs around pre-2000, too, we're not talking about the 60s...

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I submit that there are more radios than cable tvs now. Radio is still going strong. The radio shows are just as dangerous as ever.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    possibly more dangerous because they're what you turn to when you're really out there. out where spotify doesn't reach but you still don't want to be alone with your thoughts. it's like how it's important to pay attention to what's in the walmart discount dvd bin. for a lot of people that is what they have access to because no one else makes themselves available. having infinite connectivity has isolated us more than it connects us.

    even now, i'm guilty of this. i'm outside. a honey bee polinates a sunflower. do i talk to anyone here? no they're all busy with their own conversations and i'm just waiting for a phone call. so i let these cracks in this fractured reality remain as i go online and simulate connection with all those who see this text.

    in that experiment with the baby monkey, the wire momma with the milk, and the terry cloth momma with the heater, we are all the baby monkey clinging to the falsified social experience while missing out on the nutrients we need.

    the powers that be know this and manipulate it

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    They didn't say back in the day, though, they said before online influencers. Which would be, at most, the mid-nineties. Realistically late aughts to early 10s.

    How many people, realistically, got their news from AM radio after the advent of television but before the advent of online influencers?

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    Tens of millions of people did.

    There was a time when Rush Limbaugh was one of the most politically influential voices in the country.

    Not to mention the huge number of evangelical propaganda AM stations.

    I think it's safe to say that telecom deregulation and the subsequent AM radio boom is one of the core reasons why American adults above 50 are rightwing/fascist.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Yeah, but the target audience for those was people (mostly men) who had long commutes or drove for a living. I don’t think I ever knew someone to leave it on in their house, it was always something to listen to in the car. I’m sure some people did but I don’t think it was typical. If you’re in the house after 2000, Fox News is your steady drip of brain rot.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    Thank you for agreeing with my point. No one ever listened to AM radio at home. I don't get why this perspective seems so controversial here after having living through it and observing this

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    General "centrist" unbiased news coverage tends not to affirm right-wing beliefs so they have to retreat into fringe independent media.

    "Centrist" media tends to affirm things like the results of good science and vague inclusion, so liberals are happy to listen to it. It's only self-described socialists or other "far left" euphemisms that recognize the deference to capitalism as problematic.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago

    General “centrist” unbiased news coverage tends not to affirm right-wing beliefs so they have to retreat into fringe independent media.

    Ehhh, don't really agree; centrist news has historically ceded a lot to right wing framing and affirmation, while being far from unbiased. If anything, they have license to overtly right wing media to go even further.

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  • [–] 249 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    "Mildly interesting" is not very close to my reaction to this at all, rather something closer to "particularly concerning"

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  • [–] 91 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    It’s not like newspapers or television are much better. The oligarchs bought and control both of those outlets. Plenty of “opinion disguised as news” to go around these days.

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  • [–] 53 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

    It’s not like newspapers or television are much better. The oligarchs bought and control both of those outlets

    You have plenty of non-profit newspapers. ProPublica. The Guardian. The Colorado Sun. Mississippi Today. The Salt Lake Tribune. Mother Jones. The Walrus. Le Devoir. La Presse. Mediapart.

    Also, if a journalist writes bullshit, they lose their job. It's career suicide.

    The way to assess the credibility of a journalist is easy. Just look at their past articles. Their articles usually follow them for their entire career.

    If someone on social media spreads bullshit, what happens ? Nothing.

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  • You have plenty of non-profit newspapers. ProPublica. The Guardian. The Colorado Sun. The Salt Lake Tribune. Mother Jones. Le Devoir. La Presse. Mediapart

    And how much of the market do these networks control? Just because there are non profits available doesn't negate their claim.

    Also, if a journalist writes total bullshit, they lose their job. It's career suicide. Their articles follow them for their entire career. So they have to be careful.

    Depending on what network they are submitting their work to.... It's not like "journalists" on Fox News are being shamed for submitting fake stories.

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  • [+] 45 points 1 year ago (5 children)
  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Maybe because Jon Stuart, Stephen Colbert, and John Oliver don't currently host any "online shows"?

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  • [–] 37 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Lying is easy and takes less time. Real news requires going places, interviewing people, fact checking, and presenting it in a professional manner.

    It's no wonder the right wing media ecosystem is bigger.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago

    Lying is easy and takes less time.

    A lot of these shows go hand-in-glove with traditional media. The police-blotter style coverage of local news, wherein a handful of old white people bemoan the latest string of young black man violent crimes gets picked up and fed into the Podcast Racism Engine and spat out as the show's Two-Minute Hate of the day.

    Then you have a congo-line of ex-military blowhards telling you how they got rich trading in their service pensions for crypto futures. You have the usual suspects lineup of incel sex pests complaining that America's Newest Supermodel isn't hot enough or isn't Trad Enough, in between reading sponsor copy for whatever PR company paid them to say said Supermodel's name twenty times in a given episode. You have interviews with C-list politicians who come on the show to cry about how you can't say the N-word anymore, on account of the Woke. You have middling athletes at the end of their careers complain about how Transgender high schoolers are ruining the sport. You have middling songwriters at the end of their careers complain about how they pay too much in taxes and hate all three of their ex-wives. You have middling screenwriters demo a pilot episode of a cartoon series about Real Americans forced to use pronouns at gunpoint, then point you to the conservative version of Kickstarter with the promise of a full series that'll never get produced once they have your money. And holy shit will you get an earful about Jesus.

    All this takes a bunch of time and networking and tons of money to grease the wheels. Charlie Kirk ain't doing this shit for free. But it's stacked up like any classic MLM, with the kingpins racking in disproportionately more than any of their minions or guests.

    It's short-sighted to say these operations are just faster than traditional journalism, though. Lots of the names on that board have been bouncing around for decades. This is a long term, heavily financed, hugely lucrative propaganda machine. It dates back to the Nixon Era (arguably earlier) and quite a few folks have gone to their graves helping to build it.

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  • [+] 6 points 1 year ago* (2 children)
  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    they have been for decades, when i was in IR class in college, the professor, indian knows how partisan things are compared to other countries. although he dint at the time realize it was because of russia though. we were discussing various forms of govt in that class of different countries. (it was interesting class, but i dint want to stay in it.)

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    [–] 32 points 1 year ago

    Would be interesting to see a funding source overlay on this

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  • [–] 25 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Reagan was President when I was a kid. America is right-wing as Hell and always has been.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago*

    This is less indicative of the political leanings of the population and more the result of a precise planned and serious effort of the right and rich political machine to spread their message. This is why Trump won 2025 in such a big way.

    Edit: but your statement is also true

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  • [–] 25 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Is this graph supposed to be useful in any way? It excludes a huge number of voices from the left and also have a bunch of circles without names and just some random 1.1m or 2m NR on them but without any indication of who they represent more than their color.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I don't understand why bubbles with seemingly random positions was chosen to represent this data.

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    Elmo how could you! How dare you display data on a format that poorly communicated the data! You were supposed to be better than this!

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  • [–] 70 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    Social media was a mistake.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    every technology has had positive and negative. some get weaponized by the powers that be more effectively before the people can ensure safeguards. even the wheel has been a tool of the oppressor while making our lives too comfortable. of late, the powers that be have gained more through technological advancement than the people. i want to see a world where we can invert some of this power stream. after all, it's us, the people, who discovered these advancements, built these wonders, and now find ourselves increasingly imprisoned and controlled by violence

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    And its here to stay. The way kids are stuck on YouTube is like how old people are stuck on fox news.

    I've thought about this a lot. There's no end. If its not Facebook, YouTube, cable, etc. It will be something else. If only our daily lives where interesting in and of themselves. Escapism will always detach us from each other and we will flail on the wind forever.

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  • [+] -7 points 1 year ago (3 children)
  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    The young turks turned far right over night once Harris lost.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Last I saw them was them saying the left needs to start treating trans people shittier because my"most Americans are transphobic" and if we ever want to win an election again, we have to be transphobic.

    As a trans person myself dating another trans person, where are we supposed to go?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago*

    How do you even talk to these people? The left is transphobic, you’re just calling the centre-right the left and stopping there.

    Feels like the conversation can go no where because they view the left as just things they don’t agree with

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Wow. How are Colbert and John Oliver not on that graphic? Meanwhile, I don't think I've ever watched more than three or four YouTube clips of Trevor Noah.

    Oh god, am I old?

    Also, it sucks that Brand's a right-winger. There was a time when I thought his heart was somewhat in the right place even if the execution was... questionable.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    Of the blue bubbles that actually have text (which is already a lot less than that of the red ones), I think I've heard of two or three. I've heard of a lot more of the red ones, and I actively avoid right-wing social media.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago

    So many masterdebaters

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    Seeing TYT "left-leaning" saddens me. If they were left-leaning, they are not anymore.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    I must be missing something. I have been watching TYT recently after being impressed with Cenk's arguments in his appearance on Jubilee. Regarding American politics, he is certainly left. Maybe people on Lemmy think otherwise because we have so many literal Communists, but in their videos they take every opportunity to rant against the "donor class" while criticising Republicans for obvious reasons and Democrats for being pro-Israel, their election shenanigans, or for generally not being radical enough.

    The only politicians I've seen get much praise when I watch are Bernie and Zohran Mamdani, so that's about where I would put them. If you don't consider Social Democrats / Democratic Socialists to be left, I am curious where you think the centrist "origin point" of the political compass should be. I would think their policies would be left of the governments of almost any country on Earth.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I think you may indeed miss something. It's not the "people on Lemmy". A few YouTubers on the left have noticed and made videos about TYT's downfall. They now have ex employees like Hasan Piker and Francesca Fiorentini openly talking about how people are treated at TYT.

    There's also the whole thing about Ana getting "agitated" about some non-issues like "birth giving person" or some bullshit like that, and saying that she is done with the Democrats.

    Another point that comes up often about them is how much they are willing to be friends with people of the right. They go on right wing shows to criticize the left. They also attack other YouTubers on the left like The Majority Report.

    Beyond their sometimes seemingly balanced speeches, they are rapidly shifting on the right. They are becoming grifters.

    I don't want to link to a bunch of AI articles and/or long YouTube videos but this contains a bit of juice: https://novapsyche.substack.com/p/the-young-turks-daniel-penny-and

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Thank you for the link and context. I'm not familiar with most of what you brought up, but I'll check it out.

    Hasan Piker is a socialist as far as I can tell so I guess they would be to the right of him. I hadn't heard of Francesca Fiorentini.

    I think I remember them talking briefly about a "birth giving person" label but they didn't seem to treat it like a big issue at the time. They may have focussed on it more some other time and I just didn't see.

    One thing I do remember is when Cenk caused a stir as a guest at a TPUSA conference a few years back and focussed on common ground ideas like oppression from elites and disdain for legacy media and certain politicians, some on the left but also a lot for Mitch McConnell. If that's what friendship means then I don't have a problem with it I guess. He seemed consistent then with what he's been saying now.

    I guess another thing recently was praising Marjorie Taylor Greene for proposing cutting back on funding for Israeli missiles. Regardless of the background of the person launching it, the bill was a step in the right direction for them so they gave credit. Again, I would say it's consistent with their values rather than it being a partisan thing. They are definitely not fans of hers.

    A big part of avoiding echo chambers is holding people on your side accountable and examining perspectives from people who disagree with you. The criticism I've seen so far focuses on the actions that violate their stances and acknowledges counterarguments so I consider it generally fair.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    The effect Cenk had on the people at that conference backfired. Kirk played him like a fiddle and they only talked about common ground issues. To their audience it came off as "we're so right that even this leftist agrees with us".

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    jubilee seems very right leaning channel to me.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I don't think they understand politics enough to discern ideology, so they take political labels at face value. That's how you get 1 liberal (sam seder) vs 20 conservatives, and it turns out to be 1 jew vs 20 weird nazis.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago*

    They could be intentionally obtuse. Surely they're intentionally provocative, the question is whether this is because of ignorance or malice. My guess is it's something in between, where they're smart enough to know what they're doing but care more about the money. I mean they surely vetted the fascists they got on with Mehdi Hasan because most of those people are creators with content out there for all to see, so they knew exactly what views they were platforming and normalizing to a wide audience.

    I don't think they're ideologically fascist, but I do think they're evil, in the same way capitalists are evil: they always consciously choose their self-interest over accountability for the consequences of their actions (which they are well aware of). And if push comes to shove, they'd fight dirty (e.g. aligning with fascists and fascist narratives) to protect themselves from said accountability.

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    [–] 16 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    Lotta fucking idiots on that chart.

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  • [+] -7 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    Left and right. Hasan is the Tucker Carlson of the left.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    What's wrong with Hasan? He seemed fine last I knew.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    america deserved 911.

    I mean we deserve far worse than 9/11, not that killing a few thousand civilians has the potential to move things in a positive direction, a lesson america still hasn't learned.

    Crimea is Russian territory.

    Crimea has been administered by Russia for years now, like it or not, its currently Russian territory and is likely to remain so in the near to mid future. In the 20+ year term though, who knows what Russia will look like, you don't sell 10 and 20Y bonds with 17% rates without consequences.

    China’s takeover of Tibet

    I have my criticisms of the CPC, but liberating Tibet from the theocratic, slave-owning Lamas is not one of them. Theres a reason when we dropped a bunch of gusanos into Tibet and gave them weapons, instead of sparking a rebellion, they were lynched by their former slaves.

    Backs the “reeducation camps” China has for the Uyghurs.

    It was better than earlier policies, somewhat successful, though it could have been done more competently seemed like the general consensus when I was in Urumqi earlier. Theres more nuance than I was able to parse with my limited knowlege and language, so I dont have any solid opinions here, but I am certain that knowledge is greater than someone who has never been there and gets their understanding from other people who have never been there.

    Plays Houthi terrorist propaganda videos and backs Hezbollah.

    They've been the defacto state for a decade now, they're defending against a genocide, what exactly are you getting out of handringing over this?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    Defending against genocide by conducting terrorist attacks on ships, killing the crew and taking them hostage? Crews that have fuck all to do with Israel?

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attacks_on_the_Eternity_C

    Your tankie test came back. It's terminal.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    They are fulfilling their obligations under the convention on genocide by using every means at their disposal to stop a genocide. Or were you under the impression they were risking their lives and what little wealth they have to enforce a blockade because they hate boats and love the feeling of terror?

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    It is important to mind the small text, showing where the data came from. Subscribers and followers on YouTube, Spotify, Rumble, Twitch, Kick, Facebook, Instagram, and TikTok.

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  • [–] 38 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    Asmongold...you have got to be shitting me. imagine getting your "news" from a guy that used a dead rat as an alarm clock, wipes the blood from his gums on his bedroom wall, used to routinely eat snacks that had maggots in them, and treats drinking water like it's poison.

    A guy who could barely play WoW and left his main account on twitch because making money from viewers on that was "too stressful" proceeds to start an alt channel where he nows grifts the right for money.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I dunno who this person is... But this chart was apparently made my Media Matters according to the credits at the bottom.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    All I know of him is he starts showing up on my YouTube if I dont wipe my brwser every few weeks. Haven't watched anything of his but based off the video titles I've seen and his face I don't see how anyone would want to watch them. He just looks dirty.

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  • [+] -38 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    I don't get why people dislike him so much. You don't have to agree with everything he says, and he presents stuff pretty honestly. If you don't like it, just don't watch it

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  • [–] 32 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I don't watch him, and neither should you. He's a con artist. It's painfully obvious he's grifting his viewer base with his "hot takes". He doesn't present jack shit honestly. Remember when he called the Palestinian people "inferior"? He discovered he could milk people like you for money by saying the most dumb shit and you eat it up like pigs eating shit.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago

    Idk, his reaction content just comes up on my second monitor once in a while. I've never given him anything. I think it's healthy to take in opinions other than my own, and I don't get brainwashed by media personalities, but then again, I'm not American

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    [–] 23 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    They get funding, that much is obvious. It was the same story with the Nazis who got massive support from obvious sources.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Yep. "influencers" make their content free. Big newspapers with national reach just refuse to be read online, they want subscriptions.

    There's some good community papers but they don't get much reach because the Internet doesn't necessarily show you local stuff

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  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago

    Most of the ones labeled “left” here are pushing center right talking points at best.

    The actual leftist online sources, like African Stream, are straight up banned from the platforms. The right wing sources dominate because they don’t challenge corporate interests, and are not subject to censorship.

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    To those asking about the imbalance— it’s money. Just like older forms of media (print, radio, tv) there’s much deeper pockets for right-wing “funding” than on the left. And many left leaning outlets/personalities will turn down cash flows that might limit their control over their content. Follow the money. Always.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I will never understand how anyone can listen to Theo Von or Lex Fridman without losing thousands of brain cells per second.

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