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[–] 114 points 1 year ago (10 children)

A federal judge has ruled that President Donald Trump acted illegally in deploying the National Guard to address protests in the Los Angeles area.

In a ruling issued Thursday evening, U.S. District Judge Charles Breyer wrote that such use of the National Guard was a violation of the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution and exceeded the statutory authority granted to the president.

The order, which takes effect Friday, says the administration must return control of the California National Guard to the state of California.

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  • [–] 48 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    Doesn’t he have immunity now?

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  • [–] 61 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    They may not be able to prosecute him, but they can make him stop what he's doing. Theoretically.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    It does seem the power of the judiciary will be challenged quite soon.

    It will probably be with a tweet saying "Make me. You and what army?" and the courts will need to rely on the US military choosing the Constitution over the Commander in Chief.

    May we all have the fortune to live securely in less interesting times. I suppose it is our duty to make that happen.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    He does, but anyone following illegal orders doesn’t. Sure, he could pardon them, but only after a long, expensive, and potentially life-changing legal battle after which they’re convicted.

    That doesn’t sound like a fight most regular troops should want to gamble on.

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  • [–] 95 points 1 year ago (10 children)
  • [–] 81 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    The legal system is just not equipped to deal with the threat implied by Trump.

    In the US it seems like judges are just another executive arm of the government anyway.

    The few actual judges still considering the law just get perpetually paused with appeals and what have you.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    At first I was like "this video is 6 years old, how could this possibly be relevant to this conversation?"

    Then I watched the video and realized, "yep... same shit, different day." The conservative playbook hasn't changed a bit and Democrats keep falling for it.

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  • [–] 26 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    So...just let him keep breaking the law until it reaches the Supreme Court? I thought they were supposed to pause his actions, pending appeal...not let him keep going.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    just let him keep breaking the law until it reaches the Supreme Court?

    Also after it reaches the Supreme Court.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago

    The National Guard should release all arrested protesters, return to base and tell the Governor of California that they are "reporting for duty". If not, they are traitors (already before but then even more so).

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  • [–] 56 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Oh ok, cool. So naturally he's been or will soon be placed under arrest, because that's how being illegal works.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Not anymore, it's not. He's immune from any sort of prosecution related to the job.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    .. No? He said being illegal, which inherently means he's talking about trump not the judge.

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  • [–] 162 points 1 year ago (13 children)

    That means all those troops were following illegal orders.

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  • [–] 67 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    Exactly, stop going after trump. Go after every officer and government agents who followed those orders. See how fast they enforce his bullshit when they’re facing personal consequences

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    Can’t that asshole just pardon them though?

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Yeah, but maybe Trump issuing illegal orders to the military and offering pardons to those that follow them would be the catalyst Congress needs to pass an amendment limiting presidential pardon power.

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    Maybe someday we'll honor the 14th amendment, nullifying 47th's term, rendering all of his pardons void

    You know, since enemies of the US cannot hold office

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    Not on state charges. But Newsom doesn want the optics of going after the troops for illegally kicking the shit out of his own constituants, because that would play terribly with the only important demographic for democrats, republican voters.

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  • [–] 39 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I'm sure that means there will be repercussions

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Wouldn’t it be nice if rulings against the talibangelical dictatorship actually carried any weight anymore?

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  • [–] 43 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Within an hour an appeals judge put a 1 week stay on the ruling. Fucking corrupt judges

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Awesome, so... I don't expect him to be arrested or impeached, or for there to even be an investigation or anything.

    I'm hoping for something more realistic like taking away his screen time for the weekend, or at least till he says he's sowwy.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    He'd never get his screen time back in that case.

    He will never, ever apologize for anything he does.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Such an optimist. I’m hoping for a clear declaration of illegality so the guardsmen involved have no excuses for knowing it’s an illegal order. I hope it will support any with the courage to stand up for the law, and will dissuade any cowards with the expectation they will face jail time

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  • [–] 38 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    "Oooooohhhhhh, you broke the law, president trump!"

    ".......yeah? And?"

    And nothing happened.

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  • [–] 50 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    He will just ignore it, and double down. Nothing will happen.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    It's paused on appeal now, but there was never going to be a consequence for Trump personally because he'd argue "official act." There'd only be the return of control of the CA National Guard troops to Governor Newsom So they could be sent to help with wildfire situations, for instance. Then again, will people even trust them to help with an evacuation anymore?

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    Yeah, everyone should remember that the Supreme Court fucked you all by paving the way for this, and the rest of the Legislative branch as well by either ignoring their duty or actively supporting a massive overreach in power and outright ignoring existing limits.

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  • [–] 25 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Don't worry, Chuck Schumer will lower his glasses a little and give Trump a stern look from across town.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    Now punish him! Do it! 😬

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