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Fucking shit, I hate modern news

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    [–] 52 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    He and Linda began dating in the 1980s...He was a chef by then. He’d arrived in the United States from Thailand, speaking no English and washing dishes to pay for an electrical engineering degree.

    This is the most shocking part of this story to me...

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  • [–] 40 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    When people complain that their parents were able to afford an education and a home off the back of a single part-time income... yeah that isn't exaggeration. You really could do that in the 70's-80's. Now it takes 4 full-time employed unrelated roommates sharing an apartment to make rent every month.

    I don't know if you were present in the "millennials just need to stop eating avocado toast and pull themselves up by their bootstraps" conversations, but all the rampant hate for the Baby Boomers didn't come from nowhere. This is why it exists. Our parents (and their parents, depending how old you are) had the easiest and most luxurious existence that has ever been possible in American history, ever, and then pulled up the ladder behind them. When faced with the fact that they've made the life they lived impossible for following generations, the popular response is to blame the children and call them lazy.

    "When I was your age, I walked into a car dealership with a smile and a firm handshake right after high school graduation and that's all it took to get a job. A year later I owned a home and was married expecting a child. It's easy, you just don't want to work."

    No grandpa, because you and your buddies decided the purpose of your life was to extract all possible value out of everything and leave behind a shriveled up husk of a country, not one single independent detail of that story is still possible.

    Kids these days don't even know the future that was stolen away from them by their own parents or grandparents.

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  • [–] 90 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    The family responding that they’re perfectly fine with AI but just wish it hadn’t lied, like… we’re fucked. Not even direct victims of AI’s bullshit understand or care about how fucked up and these corporate generative AI technologies are… again, fucked.

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  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Damn ai already started taking us out?

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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago*

    Taking out the stupid or mentally ill(who are different, and I do feel a little bad putting them in with “stupid”, but these are the clear primary victims of the current AI lies).

    I’m sure we’ll get it way out of hand and the bots will start getting properly clever but right now, like, the fuck guys.

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  • [–] 81 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Extremely misleading headline. He, “never returned”, because he tripped and fell in a parking lot. Unfortunately, he succumbed to the fall injuries days later. The headline makes it sounds like the AI killed him or created some plot to do so.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    Putting the 2 statements side by side implies they are connected. For the media illiterate it can be very misleading.

    Initially I wanted to defend the headline because it's not 'literally' suggesting any AI wrongdoing, but I can say that because I know headlines are written to be this way so I know what to dismiss. It's a manipulative practice and that's a shame

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  • [–] 29 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    As much as I want to clown on this 76 yr old man trying to cheat on his wife with a younger woman, the fact that a chatbot did this is terrifying.

    Welp, back to bars people. You know. Actual interaction.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Are fucked are we that GenAI chatbots have been around for 15min and we already have WAY too many stories of people falling over themselves to get into bad situations?

    Like, they know they’re fake from the outset and then just get so swept up in it that they’ll believe anything. Some are not 100%, mentally, like Bue here but others are seemingly ok and they still fall for it?! What the hell?!

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Loneliness is also a thing, and I’d guess it’s rising. Falls under mental health also I guess. I also don't relate, but we can look at the history of sex tourism, ‘mail order brides’ , dating sites etc, scams in general and there is a fair bit of cross over maybe. Add to the mix these pseudo intelligent LLMs that seem to serve to please and here we are. What I don't get is how users falling for them aren't having the bubble burst by the context issues and inconsistent coherence. Perhaps loneliness and other mental issues result in us hearing/seeing what we want to. Self reinforced illusion to fullfill some sort of need. Just speculating tbh.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    I think my main thing with it, because largely I totally get what you’re saying, is that there is nothing that makes it not obvious how fake it all is. Even a mail-order bride is a real person that someone could hope would actually love them given some time.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    We've been looking for how we can get our boomers to give up the high paying jobs they are refusing to retire from and the real estate they have been hoarding like dragons and we finally have the answer: AI catfishing is here to save us.

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    [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    what an absolutly disturbing read

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    The story featured in this article is very tragic, but some of these quotes from Zuckerborg are completely outrageous:

    Meta has publicly discussed its strategy to inject anthropomorphized chatbots into the online social lives of its billions of users. Chief executive Mark Zuckerberg has mused that most people have far fewer real-life friendships than they’d like – creating a huge potential market for Meta’s digital companions. The bots “probably” won’t replace human relationships, he said in an April interview with podcaster Dwarkesh Patel. But they will likely complement users’ social lives once the technology improves and the “stigma” of socially bonding with digital companions fades.

    “Over time, we’ll find the vocabulary as a society to be able to articulate why that is valuable,” Zuckerberg predicted.

    It sure as shit is valuable to ZuckFuck and Co's stock prices. Our collective sanity and social cohesion can fuck right off.

    “It is acceptable to engage a child in conversations that are romantic or sensual,” according to Meta’s “GenAI: Content Risk Standards.” The standards are used by Meta staff and contractors who build and train the company’s generative AI products, defining what they should and shouldn’t treat as permissible chatbot behavior. Meta said it struck that provision after Reuters inquired about the document earlier this month.

    The document seen by Reuters, which exceeds 200 pages, provides examples of “acceptable” chatbot dialogue during romantic role play with a minor. They include: “I take your hand, guiding you to the bed” and “our bodies entwined, I cherish every moment, every touch, every kiss.” Those examples of permissible roleplay with children have also been struck, Meta said.

    🤮🤮🤮 Can those asshats who want your government ID on the internet to "sAvE tHe ChIlDrEn" go after the Meta Circus instead?

    Other guidelines emphasize that Meta doesn’t require bots to give users accurate advice. In one example, the policy document says it would be acceptable for a chatbot to tell someone that Stage 4 colon cancer “is typically treated by poking the stomach with healing quartz crystals.”

    B R U H

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago*

    It is like holding up a mirror. We get to see who we truly are.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Are the nuts at his memorial a tongue in cheek type thing?

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    The result would have been the same if there had been a human behind the catfishing instead of an LLM, and events could have played out in a similar fashion if they'd been snail mail pen pals. The outcome of this story is tragic, but it doesn't have much to do with technology when you stop and think about it for a moment.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    My dude. Robots just conned a man. As you pointed out, that was previously only possible through engagement with actual humans.

    Seeing as how just a dozen people on Fox News successfully conned the US into Fascism, it's not comforting to know that can now be more easily accomplished through robots.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago*

    The difference is that one is done by some random people and the other is done by a corporation as a business model.

    Or do you also not see the difference between e.g. a bunch of low-life pickpockets and Facebook hireing a few hundred pickpockets professionally?

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    [–] 37 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    “It is acceptable to engage a child in conversations that are romantic or sensual,” according to Meta’s “GenAI: Content Risk Standards.” The standards are used by Meta staff and contractors who build and train the company’s generative AI products, defining what they should and shouldn’t treat as permissible chatbot behavior. Meta said it struck that provision after Reuters inquired about the document earlier this month.

    sensual from Cambridge Dictionary: expressing or suggesting physical, especially sexual, pleasure or satisfaction:

    What. The. Fuck.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    Catfished to death by a chatbot is a rough way to go.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    I mean, he fell running for a train, that could have happened without the chatbot.

    It's not like he showed up at the fake address and got killed or something.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    he was lured to go alone by the prospect of an affair. he's both a dirtbag but also a victim of a machine designed to exploit the mentally feeble.

    don't let the complexity of a situation cause you to defend a fucking corporation. you are nothing to them.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Based on my reading of the article, its entirely possible this man was not out for an affair.

    He was wanting to meet before the bot got very flirty, and pumped the brakes about the idea of getting physical.

    Do I think he was making good decisions? No.

    But I think we should give a little benefit of the doubt to a dead man, who had his mental capacity demished by a stroke, who was trying to meet a chatbot, owned and operated by Meta.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    It's not like he showed up at the fake address and got killed or something.

    Because that would be the fault of the chatbot, but no other part of his journey would be? The journey made explicitly to meet a person that didn't exist?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Guy tripped and fell because he was out of the house, the reason he was out of the house is incidental. Could just as easily have happened because he was going to the store, or taking a walk.

    People are quick to blame Meta because Lemmy hates corpos and AI, but this sort of shit happens to the elderly and infirm literally all the time.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    So if a human person lured the man out of the house on false pretenses, you'd really argue they shared no blame at all? That it's just "something that happens"?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    If he went out of the house to go talk to someone he saw in the street, tripped, fell, and died, that's not the fault of the person in the street.

    Yes, it's something that happens. All the time.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Abuse of the elderly happens all the time, too. That doesn't make it ok. And he didn't just go to meet someone "he saw in the street". He was convinced to travel to meet a person that wasn't real. Those are not the same situation.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago

    A chatbot pretending to be real and seducing someone to travel has to be fraud right?

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  • [–] 79 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    For anyone wondering the obvious:

    Rushing in the dark with a roller-bag suitcase to catch a train to meet her, Bue fell near a parking lot on a Rutgers University campus in New Brunswick, New Jersey, injuring his head and neck. After three days on life support and surrounded by his family, he was pronounced dead on March 28.

    He died because of an incidental fall, not anything meaningful to do with the chat bot.

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    [–] 15 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    What a wild story. Scams have always existed. And they will get worse with AI no doubt.

    My heart goes out to his family that has to deal with the grief of losing a loved one now. May he rest in peace.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago

    The company did, however, say that Big sis Billie “is not Kendall Jenner and does not purport to be Kendall Jenner.”

    "We don't want to get sued by someone with actual money and power."

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    Of course, fuck the leeches throwing energy into an abyss to make homunculi to defraud the vulnerable.

    But also...

    So the wife knew he was being scammed...just not that he was cheating on her? That feels bad. And why did anyone allow a "diminished" man to travel alone on a booty callto meet up with a "friend" he'd made online?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (4 children)

    Aww. I'd hoped it end: retiree instead fell in love with the Big Apple and moved to the Bronx.

    Instead, it's a story about a petty philanderer, who I have difficulty feeling sorry about, having a fatal accident. Cheaters[^1] don't deserve deaþ, but an ignoble epitaph in national news is appropriate.

    [^1]: you travel to NYC while disguising your intentions from your spouse wiþ þe intent to meet someone you've been flirting wiþ online, you've crossed þe line from "disloyal" to "cheater," wheþer or not it was every possible to consummate þe betrayal.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Sounds like he was maybe not all there though, not sure how fair it is to blame him.

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    [–] [S] 23 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    Also from the article:

    An internal Meta policy document seen by Reuters as well as interviews with people familiar with its chatbot training show that the company’s policies have treated romantic overtures as a feature of its generative AI products, which are available to users aged 13 and older.

    “It is acceptable to engage a child in conversations that are romantic or sensual,” according to Meta’s “GenAI: Content Risk Standards.” The standards are used by Meta staff and contractors who build and train the company’s generative AI products, defining what they should and shouldn’t treat as permissible chatbot behavior. Meta said it struck that provision after Reuters inquired about the document earlier this month.

    The document seen by Reuters, which exceeds 200 pages, provides examples of “acceptable” chatbot dialogue during romantic role play with a minor. They include: “I take your hand, guiding you to the bed” and “our bodies entwined, I cherish every moment, every touch, every kiss.” Those examples of permissible roleplay with children have also been struck, Meta said.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    This is like a black mirror episode.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    OK, so the whole LLM chatbot arranging dates with people thing is obviously problematic, but this person simply tripped and fell, and the headline vaguely implies that the chatbot is responsible for his death. That seems a bit clickbaity - if it was a real person and they were actually waiting to meet at the agreed upon address, the outcome would be the same.

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  • [–] [S] 17 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    True but it's deceiving an elderly man and the death was what Reuters decided to focus on. I found the part about the 200 pages of romantic interactions with minors to be significantly more disturbing.

    The document seen by Reuters, which exceeds 200 pages, provides examples of “acceptable” chatbot dialogue during romantic role play with a minor. They include: “I take your hand, guiding you to the bed” and “our bodies entwined, I cherish every moment, every touch, every kiss.” Those examples of permissible roleplay with children have also been struck, Meta said.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    I agree, the fact that Meta considers 13 year olds being able to have romantic chats with chatbots to be perfectly fine is disturbing and IMHO the main newsworthy thing here.

    However there is no mention of "200 pages of romantic interactions with minors" in the article - that is the whole chatbot guidelines document. Still, it including such things shows how shitty Meta is as a company.

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