Why didn't it succeed?

Concorde flights came to a screeching halt after only 27 years of operation on October 24, 2003. The reason? Excessive cost, high fares, and loud noise. On a regular flight, Concordes consumed 6,771 gallons of fuel, which quickly exceeded the profit made from the flight. In addition to that, only a total of 20 Concordes were built and no airline ordered them except for Air France and British Airways, who had to as they were state-run airlines at the time.

Oh, and a 2000 crash that killed everyone on board (109 people) and four people on the ground.

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[–] 254 points 1 year ago (21 children)

Aw the Concord is a TIL now. They were really cool looking.

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  • [–] 52 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    I loved how they looked down like a bird while landing.

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    Yeah, until they flew over your house. If you think living near an airport is bad these days…. Concorde begs to differ

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    I never understood why they could not just go slow until they got up to cruising altitude and then gun it, wouldn't that solve the sound problem?

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Weren't they basically horribly inefficient at slower speeds? That's how I understand most supersonic craft to be. In order to maximize their efficiency at their intended cruising speed, they sacrifice efficiency at slower speeds. Spend too much time at those lower speeds you end up not having enough fuel to get to your destination.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago

    That may be true, but don't forget about the aerodynamics. They have smaller, swept wings to lower any drag and to provide the proper lift at cruising speed.

    At slow speeds they likely have the ailerons cranked near maxlift, just to stay aloft. (This likely causes or at least contributes to the fuel inefficiency, due to the increased drag.)

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    It's the whole "I'll fall out of the sky if I go any slower with this delta wing" thing.

    To create enough lift on a smaller wing you'll have to go fast. A delta wing (v shape at the back) like on the Concord and almost all fighterjets makes it easier to go fast. They just suck at going slow.

    Add to that the " go faster!" Engines and you'll get a very loud plane.

    A Concorde was for all intents and purposes just a very large fighterjet.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Sonic booms are a constant noise, so they would always be making a noise at max speed

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Museum of flight has one you can go it (not just a TIL, but also in a museum!). It is pretty cool and worth checking out if you are in the area.

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  • [–] 162 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    No post on here has ever made me feel older. Just the thought that somebody might not know about Concorde because it's so far in the past makes me want to hide in a closet.

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  • [–] 44 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    There are people having children right now who weren't born yet when Borat came out

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Borat came out 19 years ago. Sure, 19 year olds have kids, but not many of them do. By that logic you can also say that there are people who were born after 9/11 who have kids in school.

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  • [–] 24 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    IKR. I was in a costume hire shop a few years ago and asked the shop lady (age late ~20s), "do you have a Zorro costume?" She asked me, "What's a Zorro?" Faaark I'm officially old!

    True story. Antonio Banderas then ran into the store, yelled "Oi!" and stormed out.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    I know, right? That was such a staple of aviation in general. Everybody knew about Concorde, just like how everyone can immediately recognise a Boeing 747. Maybe in thirty years time, some young’in will post about ‘I learned about an aircraft called a 747.’

    Concorde was such an icon, they even made an entire disaster movie featuring it, Airport ‘79:

    https://youtu.be/BdwoWbBduxw

    Not so fun fact: the aircraft used in the movie, F-BTSC, was also the actual Concorde that crashed in 2000, ultimately killing the type.

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  • [–] 109 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    A fun fact about Concorde: there is one aerial photo of one of them flying at supersonic speeds, and the fighter jet that the photo was taken from could barely keep up long enough to take it. Here's the pic.

    The image was taken by Adrian Meredith who was flying a Royal Air Force (RAF) Tornado jet during a rendezvous with the Concorde over the Irish Sea in April 1985. Although the Tornado could match Concorde’s cruising speed it could only do so for a matter of minutes due to the enormous rate of fuel consumption. Several attempts were made to take the photo, and eventually the Concorde had to slow down from Mach 2 to Mach 1.5-1.6 so that the Tornado crew could get the shot. The Tornado was stripped of everything to get it up to that speed as long as possible.

    https://theaviationgeekclub.com/heres-the-only-picture-of-concorde-flying-at-supersonic-speed/

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Should have used an American F-15.

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  • [–] 26 points 1 year ago

    Probably would have had the same problem. Both the Tornado and the F-15 were capable of going fast enough, it's just going fast enough for an extended period that becomes a problem. The F-15 is a bit faster but needs to carry a bunch of external fuel tanks to match the Tornado's range. Neither of them is cruising the whole way across the Atlantic at more than mach 2 like Concorde could

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    IIRC the only fighters that can supercruise (go supersonic without gushing fuel out of afterburners) are super modern jets like the F22, and still not at Mach 2.

    Some older specialized craft could go Mach 2 efficiently, like blackbird or the XB-70, but they’re all long retired.

    Concorde was realistically the only plane that could do that.

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  • [–] 51 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    One of today's lucky 10000.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I also think it's the younger folks who may not know what older folks already knew. OP was maybe too young to remember about Concorde.

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  • [–] 50 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Thanks to Concorde, Phil Collins was able to play at both the London and Philadelphia Live Aid concerts. He Played in London, got a helicopter to Heathrow, Concorde to NY and then another helicopter to Philadelphia.

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    As well as his own set at both venues, he also played the piano for Sting in London, then drums for Eric Clapton, and played with the reuniting surviving members of Led Zeppelin at JFK. On the Concorde flight, Collins encountered actress and singer Cher and told her about the concerts. Upon reaching the US, she attended the Philadelphia concert and can be seen performing as part of the concert's "We Are the World" finale.

    Love Cher just chilling on Concorde, might go to a gig

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (4 children)

    TIL Phil Collins is an asshole

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  • [–] 32 points 1 year ago

    Never have I felt as old online.

    I flew on it . . twice. Round trip NYC - London and home a week later. BA obviously.

    At altitude (60,000 feet) the sky was black, not blue. And for any flat-earth'ers out there . . sorry, but from 60,000 feet you could see the curvature of the earth.

    The only interesting physical difference I remember was the difference in acceleration departing JFK vs. departing from Heathrow. Out of JFK you are instantly over the Atlantic, so it accelerated from 0 mph to Mach 2.0 in one continuous push. Whereas departing Heathrow, you are over land until the English channel. So it accelerated down the runway like any other plane, cruised until over water, then it felt like it was taking off a second time, with a much longer acceleration push.

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  • [–] 31 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I remember fantasizing about flying in that thing when I was a kid. Not because it was a super luxury flight, only because it was supersonic. I was sad the day they mothballed it.

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  • [–] 54 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    Time savings in today's economics would be completely negated by waiting two hours in line at the airport.

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  • [–] 47 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    If you're paying that much to fly you're not waiting in regular security

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    modern day terrorists can't be bothered with such extravagant, risky and expensive methods as hijacking a plane, they prefer less complicated and cheaper ones like driving into a crowd of people or a mass shooting

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    also easier to use a bomb truck, or a suicide bomber in a crowded area. plus to maximize damage, they wait til first responders come in and do it a second time.

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    I lived under the Heathrow-Noo Yoik flight path, and every evening within a couple of minutes, there'd be a dull thud sound on the roof.

    By that point, the plane has reached a supersonic speed and the sonic boom was striking the ground in a reduced fashion. It just sounded like someone had dropped a bag of sand on the house.

    This was of course back before the days of ADSB tracking.

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  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    My grandpa was a mechanic on one of these. Impressive plane it's too bad it didn't work out.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    A guy I worked with put himself through university working ground crew for Braniff at Dulles when they were flying interchange flights taking the Concorde on from Dulles to Dallas-Fort Worth. He commented on how crazy some of the tools were that the mechanics were regularly using while the plane was at the gate.

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago

    The snoot drooped.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago*

    I used to have outdoor PE up on a hill near the sea and we would hear the booms from Concorde out over the ocean. Takes me way back. Also makes me feel way old that someone old enough to write this didn't already know about it lol

    They also occasionally took off and landed at a local airport and we would go and see them sometimes. Noise on takeoff is unimaginable unless you've witnessed something like a Typhoon jet. The kind of noise you can feel entirely through your body.

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  • British Airways used to sell these really nice double-sided leather bomber jackets at events that were imprinted with the British Airways logo on the black leather side and the Concorde sown into the quilted side. The reason I know this is because somebody found one in a thrift store and gave it to me as a gift, and I did a lot of digging to find out where it came from as they never sold them in stores or anything, only at events. The leather was worn thin and torn even when I got it like 20 years ago, but the Concorde looks just as good as it ever did:

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago

    The crash was caused by part of the engine cowl from the previous flight (continental DC10) falling off and remaining on the runway

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    Whilst taking off from Charles de Gaulle Airport, Air France Flight 4590 ran over debris on the runway dropped by an aircraft during the preceding departure, causing a tyre to explode and disintegrate... five minutes before the Concorde departed, Continental Airlines Flight 55, a McDonnell Douglas DC-10-30, took off from the same runway for Newark International Airport and lost a titanium alloy strip that was part of the engine cowl...Concorde ran over this piece of debris during its take-off...cutting the right-front tyre of its left main wheel bogie and sending a large chunk of tyre debris into the underside of the left wing... It did not directly puncture any of the fuel tanks, but it sent out a pressure shockwave that ruptured the number 5 fuel tank at its weakest point, just ahead of the left landing gear well.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    When flying supersonic the entire plane would expand and get longer to the point where flight engineer could put his hat between his console and bulkhead.

    However, when it slowed down and cooled the engineer had to remember to get his hat or it would be stuck in the shrunken space.

    The Concorde on display at the Udvar-Hazy Center had this happen, and it has a hat permanently stuck in the cockpit.

    (At least according to the tour guide.)

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago

    My boss at the time, took one of the last flights on the Concord. I asked him if it was expensive, and he said he had to get back from Europe, and he figured he would never get another chance, so he wanted the adventure - and he could afford to pay for that sort of adventure.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Boom Supersonic is essentially trying to bring it back.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago

    They have a demonstrator flying which is honestly farther than I thought they would get. I still have a lot of doubts about the actual viability when all the engine manufacturers told them they could not supply an engine that meets their needs so they decided they would design and build their own engine, too. On the one hand, kudos for not giving up. On the other, how likely is it they’ll be able to do something the rest of the industry says can’t be done, or at least can’t be done economically? But I really hope they’re able to succeed!

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    What killed the Concorde was economics. It simply wasn't worth while doing and then when one finally crashed that one time, the entire fleet was mothballed

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    the entire fleet was mothballed

    For anyone who was as confused as I was -

    To mothball: to stop using a piece of equipment but keep it in good condition so that it can easily be used again

    I've spent over 35 years speaking (and studying) this bizarre language we call English. Yet until seeing your comment, I had no idea "mothball" could be a verb. TIL!

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    Wait until you hear about pickling. A number of military aircraft at the “boneyard” At Davis-Monthan AFB are still suitable for service; their engines having been removed and pickled within a special crate beside the aircraft.

    Marine desalination systems are pickled between extended periods of non-use.

    And there’s also the traditional use for pickled.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Honestly I haven't seen it often. I think the first time I saw it was actually in a Crusader Kings 2 or Europa Universalis 4 tutorial video because it was an option you could do to your forts or something to reduce upkeep.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    True. And the fact that because of sonic boom it was not allowed to fly supersonic above land. Only when it reached the atlantic supersonic was allowed. So it's practical use was quite limited.

    Boom is working on a 'successor' to the Concorde without the loud boom when going above speed of sound.

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