Games on Linux are great now this is why I fully moved to Linux. Is the the work place Pc's market improving.

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[–] 75 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Come pre installed. As much as it pains me, LTT guy is probably right to a degree as well. Shit needs to work without tinkering. Personally I don't mind some tinkering - enjoy it even. But the average Joanne does not.

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    There are already computers that come with Linux right out of the box. It’s needs more than that.

    You need to be able to walk into a big box store, get a Linux computer right off the shelf, and take it home. That’s what’s needed here.

    Once you get people to userstabdnits a different kind of computer they would take to it fine. iPad and chromebooks sell just fine and they don’t run windows or macOS. I refuse to believe Microsoft and Apple are the only ones who can sell a computer.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    They exist yes. Go ask the average person on the street the name more than one of them. At best some might know system 76. But can they buy them at the local best buy, apple store, or micro center? Lots of places don't have a micro center. Micro center at least sells Linux and BSD media. I haven't been in 8 months. But for the last 30 years they haven't sold a pre installed system. Much less best buy or apple store.

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  • [–] 30 points 1 year ago

    This most difficult one is probably the fact that 99% of people do not install their operating system.

    The device they purchase needs to have a clean and elegant out of box experience like the Mac. Regular folk who are willing to stray from windows don't consider any computer that doesn't come off the shelf with sane defaults. Everything else is arcane to them.

    We are not those people. I have to remind myself that not everyone likes to build their own systems.

    I do have a friend who wants to buy a framework laptop with Fedora on it because that's what they use in the Laboratory he works in but he doesn't want to assemble it himself he just wants it to come like that.

    I think we're getting there finally.

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  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago

    People can’t be bothered to run better messaging apps. Expecting them to change OS is crazy

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  • [–] 76 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    I think part of the problem is that while Linux software is constantly getting more user friendly, the average user is getting less knowledgeable about computers at just as fast of a rate. People even understanding the concept of files and folders doesn't seem to be a given anymore.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago

    Everything mainstream is a black box corporate ecosystem these days. Kids learn how to use specific programs and mobile apps, but don't learn anything about the OS or machine itself because everything is isolated and "just works".

    It's a really weird spot to be in. We're used to the older generations being bad with tech, but now it's also the younger ones too.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Part of the problem there is that we don’t teach people how to actually use computers, we teach how to use specific programs instead usually.

    A few months back I saw a post somewhere about how “kids these days don’t know how to read an analog clock”. And it’s the exact same thing, you have to teach people how to use them. You don’t just innately know how to use these things we created.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    I grew up in the 2000s and got taught how to read an analog clock in like the first year of school.

    I remember me teacher made a clock face on paper with the two arms pinned on. I brought up my parents had a clock with 'lines instead of numbers' and she taught everyone roman numerals on the spot.

    What are teachers doing nowadays?

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    A lot of teachers are really underpaid and have a lot of students to worry about. And that’s on top of parents wanting to meddle in their kids education and schools trying to cram more into the same amount of time. So it’s not always possible for teachers to be able to teach everything they need to, let alone other useful things to know.

    And well what I said in my original comment about people just expecting others to know things without bothering to teach them. Years ago I was expected to know how to sign my name in cursive when the school district that I was in cut cursive when I was in kindergarten. Thankfully I had a teacher who actually taught me how to later on but otherwise I wouldn’t have known.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    You use an interesting example- personally, I feel like while files and folders have their place, I prefer they be part of the background and not presented to the user. Take photos, for example. If I'm looking for pictures of my dog, I don't want to go into the 2022 folder, then the August folder, then look through all those files, back out into 2022 then go into the September folder, etc. I just want to type 'dog'. Or pick from a dropdown list of common tags, or anything other than digging through files and folders.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    Yeah, I grew up in the 90s where schools and offices had physical filing cabinets full of folders and files. And in the late 90s when learning computers at school those same concepts were reinforced in the computer file system. So files and folders within the context of using a computer is ingrained and seems obvious to me.

    But kids these days are born with iPads in their hand, they use Chromebooks in primary school, and all their files are automatically saved to the cloud and immediately available on all their devices. How would they ever learn the concepts of filesystems? It's not taught at school. It's not relevant to anything they do.

    It used to make me so frustrated (it's a simple concept!) but now I get it. Maybe it's not as obvious a paradigm as we thought. Maybe there are better ways of organising files (eg, tagging, keywords, filtering) that are more human. Or using namespacing (ns prefixes, curies). Or even using non-local universal identifiers (ipfs locators). It makes me wonder if we might eventually even move away from hierarchical-directory based filesystems at the system level too.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Precisely- it's a concept that is ingrained in people to the point where anyone who doesn't understand it is viewed as lacking. However, it's needless.

    I don't need to understand IP addressing subnet routing to go to a website. Why should I need to understand a file and folder structure to find an old tax document?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    I mean hierarchy is how we find any specific item in the real world though, so it seems like the best way to organize things on a computer. If I'm looking for a pair of scissors I know to go into my house, into my kitchen, into the drawer, and take the scissors. You can use tagging and things to search, but having that be the main way of accessing files will never be as reliable or repeatable as just looking where you know the file is.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    This is an unfortunate truth. I occasionally teach a short course on basic computer networking with a short segment on Unix/Linux to students ranging from ages 18-25 and only about 1 or 2 out of every class of 20 even knows what an "operating system" is.

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago

    Default install from box store systems

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Most of the comments here seem to be from the consumer perspective, but if you want broader adoption, you need to consider the corporate market too. Most corporate software these days is web-based, so the problem is less with the software and more with the people responsible for it.

    The biggest hurdle is friction with the internal IT team. They like Windows because that's all they ever learnt and they're not interested in maintaining a diverse set of company laptops. They won't entertain Linux in a corporate environment unless it's mandated by management, and even if the bosses approve it, IT will want a way to lock you out of your laptop, force updates, do a remote wipe, etc.

    There are (proprietary) tools to do some of this, but they generally suck and often clash with your package manager. Microsoft is just way ahead of Linux in the "bloatware that tours your hands" department.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    This is it. Exactly it. Internal IT management wants a good, centrally managed system to lock down and control corporate devices. Heck, corporations often even contract this task (and help desk) to management companies.

    Let's assume the tools and the experts are there to perform these remote management shenanigans, after this it only comes to "money talks". Don't have to replace a 2-4yo laptop with a new one if the old one still performs fine for another 2-4 years. So then you have to weigh the cost of expertise against slower amortization.


    My company disabled VPN access for anything but macOS and Win11. Because even though the VPN we use is mandated to be used with a closed source app, and the app has a Linux version, the IT dudes couldn't exit vim when asked to manually edit /etc/environment

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    the IT dudes couldn't exit vim when asked to manually edit /etc/environment

    Lol, my brother/sister in christ what kind of IT are they hiring these days? i cant, i just cant

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    The vast majority of business apps and network admin apps are written for windows so you either can't run them on unix or they would require an additional layer of complexity that can't be justified "just to be on unix".

    For dev and IT work I use a mix of windows and RHEL. Business apps in windows and terminal sessions on our linux servers. My db work is almost 100% linux.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago

    Multi-million dollar advertising budgets from apple and Microsoft. Coordinated campaigns to embed those systems in education institutions and workplaces.

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  • [–] 35 points 1 year ago* (14 children)

    Be preinstalled on laptops/desktops.

    everything else is ready unless you use niche software. Most people just use a browser and word or a pdf editor.

    note the distro MUST be an immutable up to date kde flatpak using one for normal people, however

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Yeah a lot of people will complain about their OS but never try installing another one.

    ChromeOS is best example. It doesn't have half the functionality linux or windows has but nobody is installing another OS on their chromebook.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago*

    Well, it may be actually due to the fact that schools often lock down the Chromebooks so you simply cannot install another operating system on them, and if you do manage to it will be quite a headache and may even include fines (at least for my former high school). I couldn't even install real apps on my Chromebook (all I had was webapps and extensions), even though the feature was already technically out there (it was just locked down my school).

    Also yes, as a Linux user, I really hated my Chromebook.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    actually, MUST NOT. The moment I see "this is immutable, all things are flatpack/snap/etc.", I am out, and not because of being a dev myself

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    Flatpak is infinitely easier for people who don't know what they're doing, because it's sandboxed and separate from the native system. If you know what you're doing it's different though, I don't use them personally.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    I was in agreement until you talk about flatpak...

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)

    Flatpak is infinitely easier for people who don't know what they're doing, because it's sandboxed and separate from the native system. If you know what you're doing it's different though, I don't use them personally.

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  • Flatpak is great for two groups of users: the ones who only use default settings in standalone apps and the privacy-oriented experts who know how to tweak things to their liking. In the middle is a large group of users who don't know or care how things work, but they want that one feature an app is supposed to do but mysteriously doesn't work with flatpak.

    This password manager is supposed to work with my browser but it says it's not running.

    App X says it needs app Y for feature Z, but I see both app icons installed on my desktop.

    I found a guide online to enable feature D, but when I paste these arcane commands into the text box thingy, it just says ".config/AppQ no such file"

    Even one of these occurrences is enough to make most users give up on that app or the OS entirely. I like the idea of sandboxing apps, and I use flatpak daily, but we have to acknowledge and hopefully improve some of its limitations or many users (yourself included, it seems) will consider it unusable.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (5 children)

    My opinion on flatpak is that it only allows developers to be loosy with dependencies. I'm convinced it will fall appart in a decade or two because it's too messy and bloated as a technical solution.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (4 children)

    It's just a weird linux distro that you install atop your distro, honestly, I have no idea why you think that.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    Piling abstraction layers is bad design imo. For performances, complexity and maintenance.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    But this one in particular vastly reduces maintenance, doesn't do anything at all to performance, and only arguably adds complexity, I think it needs to be case by case.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    It does not reduces maintenance. And it costs hard drive, and with heavy use, probably ram too

    Redundancy of dependencies in different versions, might also be loaded in ram in different version, which can add its own kind of problems in some circumstances.

    Maintenance is only reduced on the surface level. The complexity you don't see as a problem is the actual maintenance problem. It's not a problem only if you're not the one dealing with integration, maintenance or security.

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  • It does not reduces maintenance.

    It absolutely does, package maintainers just have to maintain ONE package for all distros.

    And it costs hard drive, and with heavy use, probably ram too

    This isn't performance really, it's storage, and I don't think it actually impacts ram.

    Maintenance is only reduced on the surface level. The complexity you don’t see as a problem is the actual maintenance problem. It’s not a problem only if you’re not the one dealing with integration, maintenance or security.

    This is a case you're going to have to try a lot harder to make, I don't see what you're saying at all.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Personally for me its compatibility and support. Too many of programs and hardware I use daily aren't compatible or even have a Linux version or have little to no support officially or not.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    For an example I tried to use Mint on my main rig but i was having trouble with my two monitor. I wanted my right monitor to be the main display but i kept wanting to use the left one, issue with how i wanted them to be arranged virtually and a ghost third monitor showing up and it all reverting settings or just breaking when a program open in full screen

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Adding my voice to the hardware compatibility issue. While most hardware just works, Linux usually lacks the ability to configure the device. Audio interfaces are a good example of this. They work but you can't set the sample rate or enable any custom features on ANY of them.

    I believe government regulators should step in and require hardware manufacturers to provide Linux support equal to Windows or Mac. This could be relaxed for low volume or highly specialised devices, but mainstream consumer stuff should be more universal.

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  • It CAN be configured, but you have to go hunting for the tools to do so.

    I've got an old 5.1 surround sound speaker setup attached to my main rig, and in both Cinnamon and KDE (the only two I've tried), you can't use the normal DE's audio control panel to put the thing in 5.1 mode without first installing an old, probably unmaintained tool called ALSAJackRetask. Once you've retasked the jacks, several options for surround appear in the DE's audio control panel. It knows but it can't do.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    People who convince themselves they "just aren't good with computers."

    In the early 2000s, it was widely thought that everyone who grew up with them would be reasonably competent with them. We now have 20-30 year olds who are still stumped with basic computing concepts like how to reset a forgotten password. I literally ran into this a couple of months ago: Really? You haven't had to do this a dozen times in your life by now? How did you finish college (this person was highly educated)?

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I had a similar problem with a couple of friends a few weeks back. They're a couple with a lot of debt, so they usually do everything they can to save money. Then the main water line started leaking.

    I asked a few questions, and it turned out they could solder the pipes themselves and save hundreds on hiring a plumber. But the wife kept insisting that they were both too dumb to figure it out and by me saying it's easy to learn she just took it as me calling them stupid (which was a weird bit of gaslighting).

    They didn't even look up a video on how to do it. I looked some up as a sanity check, and yeah it's fairly straightforward. Here's a really good video on it for those curious.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    just took it as me calling them stupid (which was a weird bit of gaslighting).

    Glad I'm not the only one who notices this. It's not everyone I meet, but I know quite a few people who double down on their inability to do simple tasks or learn a basic skill... I mostly wonder where it started for these people.

    Similar situation, had a buddy recently throw out a pair of $300 headphones because the cable broke.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    Either:

    1. A smarter and wiser population able to discern and care enough that they're being cucked by Microsoft, overcoming the inertia to install Linux.
    2. Linux invents a game/feature that is so goddamn appealing that everyone wants in on the action.
    3. Preinstallation.
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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago*

    I'd agree with the: come preinstalled. Most people buy a device and never change the operating system. So it needs to be the preinstalled operating system on the average computer or laptop, wherever people buy those.

    (And mind that Linux completely dominates the market on servers. So technically, a lot of people use Linux in a way... Just not on desktop computers.)

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    CAD software.

    FreecCAD just released it's first full version and it's a pain to use. Back in 2018 somebody said FOSS CAD software was at least ten years behind the big windows commercial software. I think now it's about fifteen behind.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I disagree. Majority of average office workers do not use CAD software. It's not a hurdle to widespread adoption.

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    Even if for a moment we assume u r right, what about electricians? cnc ? 3D printing? etc.

    Not a problem for u doesnt mean it isnt for someone else, and we aint even talkin about compatibility issues between cad software.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    Try bricsCAD closed source but native for linux https://www.bricsys.com/

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    The software looks nice, but it seems there's no 3D capable hobby-tier. 3D modelling starts at Pro-tier, which is >$700 per year. That's a low price for commercial software, but not a good option for hobbyists

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  • I think with any alternative to big tech the problem is most people are really unwilling to change their habits and make short term compromises. A lot of people know on a surface level that big tech is stealing their data etc. But actually changing their habits goes to far.

    Another issue is that its more or less a systemic issue.

    To many people aren't even awear of what FOSS even is. The state of Foss and is a bit complicated where you do have organizations and activists advocating for it but also gigantic corporations that use Foss technology and exploit the free labor that goes into it.

    There definitely needs to be more activism for FOSS technology and alternatives to big tech. And those alternatives should be open to everyone like Linux is. Of course there are always multiple reasons why something isn't used but I do think it is important to look at a bigger perspective than individual consumer/ in this case users

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    They need to be able to buy accessory products that do more harm than good. It’s can’t be a proper alternative to windows without CCleaner support!

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Maybe you jest, maybe not, but scams and bad actors will be a required milestone for popularity

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Oh, heavens, I can only imagine what crapware OEMs would cook up with full access to the OS…

    How would you like 11 gigabytes of junkware in your kernel? That only works on that version? Oh, and your computer won’t work without it.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    This question comes up every other week. I reject the premise that "more users" is a commonly held objective.

    For most linux / OSS projects the objective is to be the best the project can be. Having an active community is usually part of that but "more users" is a low priority.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    I remember when "the internet" was a bunch of older nerds and kids. My parents, aunts, uncles, etc didn't even know how to go online. It was great! More users made it much worse. Please don't become the mainstream OS.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago

    Stigma.

    A very large number of people believe Linux is difficult to get into. There are a number of publisher that somehow think Linux users are all hackers that will cheat in their online games. There are a not-so-insignificant number of Linux users who like Linux to remain niche, and small, and exclusive, and difficult to get into, and scoff at the idea of a "general user".

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    There's quite a lot needed from peripheral manufacturers, regarding drivers and utilities. You still can't, for example, just buy any new printer or scanner - you have to check compatibility first.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    Linux has only become much more user friendly in about the past 5 years. Installing Linux Mint in my experience was actually easier than Windows. It comes down to education and the misconception that using Linux is somehow more difficult than Windows or iOS. The hard truth is if someone is using Windows or iOS they are probably just too lazy to switch as long as it does what they need they don't care if they're being burdened with bloatware or spied on.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    In Enterprise: manageability. It's hard to overstate how powerful Windows Group Policy is. Being able to configure every single aspect of the OS and virtually all major applications, Microsoft or otherwise, using a single application that can apply rules dynamically based on user, device, user or device groups, time of day, location, battery level, form factor, etc, etc. Nothing on Linux comes close, especially when simplicity is a factor, and until it does most large organisations won't touch it with a barge pole.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    Came here to say this. My workplace used to offer a Linux workstation option (which I opted in for 9 years), but they had to remove that option to fulfill new security and management, compliance standards. They need to be able to manage exactly which applications are installed on a system, which binaries are allowed to run and when, the exact settings for every application, the exact version of the OS and the specific updates, and precisely when updates are installed. All of this needs to be applied based on the user, their organisational division, their security groups, clearance level, specific model of device, etc.

    I know that using a combination of Selinux, Kerberos, and something like Puppet can get you close in the Linux world, but Microsoft group policy has been around for 30 years and is well understood and just works.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    As my employer has turned to almost exclusive webcrap over software - I see no hurdles really. Webapps run shitty either way. Fucking Salesforce and Opus bullshit... refresh.. refresh...

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    Workplace is a huge conveyor of technology, and capitalism loves capitalism. Public sector has a much higher Linux adoption rate

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    Being able to do everything a "normie" would do without the need to use a terminal.

    And a way for companies to get flatpak as an alternative, i remember a friend of mine who tried to use 'buntu budgie for a while and he needed a software for cartographic stuff.

    We got lucky the company of said software (and yes, it needed to be THAT specific software to avoid compat' issues, so no free alternatives were viable even if they were available) used to provide a .deb package, we got forced to change a lot of sys native binaries to make it work and ended up just breaking a lot of other stuff to do so. Flatpaks (fuck snaps) need to be the default option to be available across systems without caring about distros, so anyone can run it on "mandragora linux" if they want to

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    A multi-billion dollars marketing budget, anti-competitive practices and confidential agreements, blacklisting hardware vendors if they dare proposing an alternative, and of course a legal department the size of a small city to sue all competition out of existence.

    Oh wait that's Microsoft/Google/Apple/Meta/Amazon.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    There needs to a single “App Store” where regular people can find free and paid apps that will work on all distros.

    Basically, we need Steam for non-gamers.

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    A universeal and thought out accessibility system. Best with kernel support.

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    I think it is its image of lack of stability and features; I know there are out there stable distros and almost every well known program has a Linux version, but the image that Linux has had through the years is not that. If Linux overcomes this and gets a better reputation, it would be a great weight lifted for the road ahead of the OS. I hope Proton breaks through the mainstream public and Linux gets more exposed and known out there

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I've been dragging my feet on making the switch. Some of it is i just doing feel like doing another OS install and desktop setup. Some of it is distro paralysis. There's a lot and I dont really know what to choose.

    I downloaded Mint Cinnamon a while back and was too lazy to install it. Is this still a good choice for gaming and school work? I already use libreoffice.

    I'm comfortable enough with configuring and settings, but by no means a superuser.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Mint is a pretty solid choice for like 95% of people. If you're already using LibreOffice then you're halfway there, and I've been able to run all the games I want through Steam or Lutris (the Flatpak versions are better for compatibility IME). A lot of people use Bottles for games as well, but I've never been able to get it to work properly. I think I started using Linux full-time at about the level you seem to be at, and I didn't run into any major issues.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

    I think the gap between what the average Linux user thinks is ease of use and what the average non Linux user thinks is ease of use is probably much larger and many devs seem to understand.

    I think it would be beneficial to have a completely idiot proof installer that doesn't ask you about partitions or formatting or basically anything just point it towards a drive and it will set up a default installation.

    More GUI based means of doing basic stuff. A casual who wants to access some photos from his laptop does not want to figure out how to manually configure samba shares by editing config files in their terminal based text editor.

    I think codecs are a much bigger pain in the ass than is ideal. As I understand that there are legal reasons for this but the first time some casual goes to play a video and gets an error message their first thought may not be "let me search Google and figure out what this error message means" their first thought maybe "Linux sucks and can't play videos".

    The permission structure that makes Linux so secure makes it a little annoying for casuals. For example, you actively and intentionally go to the default software store, navigate to the updates tab, update a package you've already installed and clearly want, and do so from the official OS repository... This requires that you enter your password to protect you from what exactly? It's not a big deal it takes one second to type my password, but how would you explain this to a casual in a way that makes sense? Your OS is protecting you from potentially rogue acts of official patches to your default text editor.

    I think the folder structures are pretty big challenge for converts. On Windows you can find most of the files associated with any given program in your program files folder. On Mac there's an applications folder. On Linux... it's somewhere, don't worry about it. That's not really a fixable one it just is what it is.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    Probably the best response here. I'd also add the moment the user has to deal with using the CLI that is it for them. I can't imagine the average consumer going into config files or even dealing with "chmod". It is like auto enthusiasts rolling their eyes at people who don't change their own spark plugs or oil.

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  • For example, you actively and intentionally go to the default software store, navigate to the updates tab, update a package you've already installed and clearly want, and do so from the official OS repository... This requires that you enter your password to protect you from what exactly?

    I have never had this happen before across 3 distros, and I really doubt any casual user will have this experience either

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I have a brother who is not into computers. But he has a shitty laptop (with only 3gb of ram) so windows stopped working on it (because Windows update). So I installed a Linux on it, and he is very happy with it.

    He even managed to change the desktop by himself. Installing some stuff was not obvious (like making a scanner work), but I did it guiding him by phone and text.

    Command line is in fact much easier in this case than any gui. In a gui, you must know it by heart to correctly guide the person. A command line you can fine tune it on your side, send it on discord, and he only has to copy/paste. That is much more powerful.

    And the security is not less than downloading an executable on a dubious website.

    It is true that specialist tend to overestimate the skill of unknowing people. But when it come to computer, people also forget that normal people always went for the help of specialist for their technical needs. Nothing changed.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    I always prefer the CLI at work but I wouldn't expect the avg consumer to ever want to deal with it.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    There are a lot of things an average consumer don't wa't to deal with, but that's true for windows as much as Linux. The question is not what they want to do, but what they need to do and if it seems difficult.

    A command line can also be distributed as a bash script btw. The difference with an obscure executable that will edit the registry on windows it that the bash file can be checked much more easily.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I feel like we've been having the same conversation for 20 years. Meanwhile the linux family of operating systems is now the most widely deployed in the world.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    Native Adobe apps ports :(

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