Child trafficking with some eugenics sprinkled in.
Really fucked up, and this is what we know during the war, imagine what could come out after.
Child trafficking with some eugenics sprinkled in.
Really fucked up, and this is what we know during the war, imagine what could come out after.
It’s not at all suspicious that the two accounts defending RU here are brand new…
Always nice to pop into these posts to see what (new) users I need to add to the block list.
they used filtration camps to obfuscate the kidnapped children so its harder to track them down, they give them false identity and put them up for adoption, or in an orphanage.
You mistyped your nickname again, Bumhole
Yes, Bumhole. Nazi fanbois like PutinJugend. Or any other sort of Russian propaganda trolls.
"Brought to you by the unbiased news source – kyivindependent.com"
This kind of snarky dismissal is a textbook example of the genetic fallacy. It's rejecting an argument or claim solely because of its source, rather than engaging with the content, the evidence, or the reasoning behind it.
Yes, The Kyiv Independent is Ukrainian, and yes, it likely carries national bias. Just like literally every national outlet does during wartime. That doesn’t automatically invalidate every fact it reports, especially when those facts are supported by third-party evidence and international bodies.
In this article, for example, the claim about the child adoption "catalog" is backed by:
Screenshots from Russian occupation websites, figures from Save Ukraine ( a long-standing NGO) and references to internationally verified abductions; numbers confirmed by Ukraine's ombudsman, the ICC’s arrest warrants, and other human rights organizations)
So even if you don’t like the outlet, you're still responsible for engaging with the facts, not just rolling your eyes and calling it propaganda.
Dismissing credible, corroborated claims with a one-liner is lazy and cowardly. If you're going to talk about war crimes and mass abductions, do better than a meme-level deflection and actually engage the facts. This isn’t some Internet drama without consequences; it’s the systematic erasure of children.
Russian media rarely if ever cites their sources, and when they do they are dubious at best
and mostly because putin control what russian media puts out as well.
Did they report on those at all?
I searched their websites and I got 0 hits on the Ghost of Kyiv, and 1 hit on Snake Island (this).
There is no such thing as "neutral" in a war, but facts are facts, and lies are lies. If the position people take means people say lies, you disprove the lies.
From all this word-soup I see that you have effectively not a good example of false reporting from the Kyiv Independent, and you cast a wide net to the whole "western media".
What is an example of neutral media in your opinion that you consider factual and trustworthy?
What a sad, almost patethic, way to drop the towel and abandon the conversation.
I can't say I am entirely surprised, when someone calls a newspaper a rag, accuses it of false reporting on two topics and then backpedals on "no, not that specifically, the whole western media is not neutral" (great discovery, newspapers are not neutral).
Have a good one!
Ah, so now we're on to classic whataboutism fallacy. Pointing out that Russian media gets dismissed (often for good reason) doesn’t make it logically valid to dismiss any report just because of its origin.
If you think The Kyiv Independent is questionable, that's fine! Interrogate the claims. Ask:
What are the sources?
Are they independent?
Can they be verified elsewhere?
The same rules apply to Russian media and every other claim.
But using other fallacies doesn't justify your response. Saying “Well, people dismiss Russian media too” isn’t a defense. It’s just avoiding the argument again.
Russian sources arnt legitimate, and are filled with propaganda, so its generally ignored. it would be deleted on reddit as it would here as well.
Here's another older source: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/trump-ukraine-children-russia-war-kidnapping-evidence-b2717730.html
Children from Eastern Europe have been considered prime trafficking victims for several decades now. They are usually white and easily accessible, often sitting out on the streets.
Here's a documentary about Romanian street children: https://youtu.be/HDiIrdzFGCY
Here's Robert Maxwell trafficking them: https://www.nli.org.il/he/images/%20nnl_archive_al990040300950205171/NLI#$FL45875197
There is substantial evidence that torture, snuff, rape, bestiality, and CSAM materials coming from Russia are made by Putin's request and put out by his request to accrue blackmail on the people who view them online. A large part of what many world leaders want today are just straight up children and babies as a commodity.
Hey, out of curiosity- is Putin a bad person? Can you say something negative about Putin?
Worse than imperial China? The Mongols? Alexander the Great? The Dutch and Dutch East India Company? The British? The French? The Spanish?
There is no "lesser evil." There are assholes in charge who kill and enslave people just living their lives. There are rulers and enforcers who work together to trick the public en masse that any one of them is better than another. When at its core, owning and harming others is inherently wrong with no middle ground and benevolent slavers are still slavers.
Just like it isn't the Russian people who want war or want to fight in war, it is Putin and the wealthy who want it, to kill their own men and to thin the herd. They can then take their money and stuff after they die. It's not just about what they gain from Ukraine, it's also about an attack on their own people.
I accept your loss due to an inability to form a good faith argument.
Independent is not a tabloid you fucking Russian propaganda troll.
Tankies don't get opinions. Shit off back to Putin's propaganda instances fuckwit.
Imagine complaining about imperialism and then simping for Russia and ignoring its constant imperaliam. You're pathetic.
Only complete fools think Russia's war in Ukraine is about "protecting itself". No one was planning on attacking Russia and it was just a pathetic excuse to steal land.
It's a good thing people like you are irrelevant. You guzzle Russian propaganda without ever giving it a thought.
The biggest country in the world has stolen land on many occasions, including right now, but apparently you have no knowledge of history or pay attention to current events. Or you're just a lying loser.
It's not bad, actually - https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/kyiv-independent-bias/
Bwahahaha you're one to talk. Please if other people read this look at the sources theyve posted.
Good non-Western sources
Russia Today
Suuuuure
Lol you weren't kidding, that's literally what he posts. That and sites that still uses the .su tld. Can't make this shit up
More like authoritarian. If you were a communist you'd care about the people in Russia, not the government. If you are a communist, you're a pretty shit one.
From? Yes. What does that have to do with anything? It's about what you agree with, not where you're from, right?
Also, again, whataboutism. You can't defend yourself, so you go on offense. Why don't you care about the people? You're a pretty poor communist if you can have comrades in oppressive places, and only defend authoritarian governments who abuse their citizens.
Am I supposed to believe your crocodile tears for the poor Russian people? LOL
No. You're supposed to care. That's the fucking point. You're strawmaning, because you're an asshole who doesn't care about the people, which is explicitly not what a communist would do.
Despite being political enemies they understand that the coup and NATO expansion with nukes in ukraine is unacceptable.
Yeah... About that. Ukraine used to have nukes (from when they were a member of the USSR, you might recall). They gave them up to Russia for promises, which weren't kept. It's unacceptable for them to have them? Why? Why can Russia? Why did they give them up?
This argument is complete bullshit. They aren't going to be given nukes, but even if this were the case, the argument that they shouldn't have them is ridiculous, when they were given to Russia and Russia uses nukes to bully them and other nations. Either it's not OK for Russia to have them either or it is OK for Ukraine to (or you have an opinion based in bias, not logic).
And also you would rather continue this lost war to the last poor ukrainian too, as Lindsey Graham wants.
No. I want Russia to return to its own territory. They should end it. It's in their power, but the elites are using the people for political gain (like always). You're class awareness is really fucking bad.
The communist party, despite being opposition to Putin is not forbidden in Russia.
Sure. There aren't fair elections they could win though. Them being not explicitly banned doesn't mean shit. They're implicitly banned.
Free and democratic ukraine banned no less than 11 parties.
Put union leaders in jail, etc..
More whataboutism. Why are you discussing Ukraine here? This is about Russia. You can't put up a legitimate communist argunent for what they're doing, so you just say "what about Ukraine!"
my man, being consistent isn't what's important for members of the far-right like /u/Bloomcole , /u/npdean, and /u/bubblybubbles it's about 'winning', from these nothing internet arguments to finally living in a slave-state; everything coming from their mouth-holes or dripping from their ichor crusted fingers are just magic words meant to get there, and sucker in all the well-meaning idiots on the sidelines
Wow, you aren't even pretending to be a communist now. Well, at least the mask has fallen.
I love the emotional 'you should care' BS.
To be clear though, this isn't an emotional ploy. This is what a communist would do. They care about the people being used by those in power, no matter where they are. Again, you seem to have absolutely zero class consciousness. You use the term communist to describe yourself as a badge of honor, not as an actual descriptor. You aren't a communist.
Cool comment. None of it matters.
They will fail again and Russia (even if not communist) will deal with them again.
Well, at least you agree with that. Damn. A bunch of "what about", strawmaning, and no true scotsman in there just for you to finally agree anyway.
I have never said I support the US by the way. You're just trying to tie me to that so you don't have to defend yourself, because you still haven't. You're not a fucking communist. You're a russophile authoritarian. Anything Russia does you approve of. It doesn't matter how much the bourgeoisie use and abuse the proletariat. It's fine as long as it's Russia.
I don't know if you're playing dumb or actually dumb, but no true scotsman is a logical fallacy, where you say someone isn't a true [thing] because they don't meet ever precise definitions you make up.
Also, you do realize Scotland is part of the UK, right?
Anyway, this is all just you trying to distract from the fact that you can't defend the actions of Russia, or your starting position. You have to constantly shift things and hope people forget. You aren't a communist if you support the bourgeoisie using the proletariat for stupid self-centered goals. It doesn't matter where we're from. The proletariat everywhere is being used and abused by the elite. A communist would know this. It doesn't matter if you're in Russia or the US. They're using us for their own gain, and they don't care about us.
Fair point, it's probably skewed more towards women once you consider how many of the men march off to the meat grinder for a failed dream that died 30 years ago.
Are you ready to watch the soviet union split apart a second time?

Are these the ukranian teens you're referring to?
Lol are we just going to trade photos of all the nazis on both sides of that war? This could take all week
I don't know anything about this person, and I'll say Fascists are drawn towards the military, because it let's them have the ultimate power over others. This happens everywhere. However, those aren't Nazi swastikas. They are swastikas, but I don't know they're meaning. They're common symbols all over the world (literally, from everywhere in Africa and Eurasia to the Americas). I don't know what these ones are, except for not being the ones the Nazis used. Is it still a reference to that? Idk. I think if you want Nazi swastikas you just get them though. I don't think getting a slightly different swastika to still show your support of Nazism is a great idea. If there's other info than just his tattoos, feel free to share.
I'm not the one who's a joke here.
Yeah, because I'm the one lacking intelligence because I can tell the difference between curved and straight arms and clockwise or counter-clockwise rotation in a swastika.
Nazis had one swastika they tended to use, and this isn't it. It has been a symbol for all kinds of things throughout the world in this form though.
I case you actually are interested in learning, here's a wiki page on it, which does include it's use by Nazis, explicitly not in this style. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika
Again, I don't know who this is. If you want to provide actual evidence then fine, but this image doesn't prove anything. It provides further evidence if you have any, but it isn't worth anything in it's own.
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