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'This is child trafficking' — Russia launches 'catalog' of Ukrainian children for adoption, sorted by eye and hair color (kyivindependent.com)
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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Russian media rarely if ever cites their sources, and when they do they are dubious at best

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    Did they report on those at all?

    I searched their websites and I got 0 hits on the Ghost of Kyiv, and 1 hit on Snake Island (this).

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    There is no such thing as "neutral" in a war, but facts are facts, and lies are lies. If the position people take means people say lies, you disprove the lies.

    From all this word-soup I see that you have effectively not a good example of false reporting from the Kyiv Independent, and you cast a wide net to the whole "western media".

    What is an example of neutral media in your opinion that you consider factual and trustworthy?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    What a sad, almost patethic, way to drop the towel and abandon the conversation.

    I can't say I am entirely surprised, when someone calls a newspaper a rag, accuses it of false reporting on two topics and then backpedals on "no, not that specifically, the whole western media is not neutral" (great discovery, newspapers are not neutral).

    Have a good one!

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago

    Ah, so now we're on to classic whataboutism fallacy. Pointing out that Russian media gets dismissed (often for good reason) doesn’t make it logically valid to dismiss any report just because of its origin.

    If you think The Kyiv Independent is questionable, that's fine! Interrogate the claims. Ask:

    What are the sources?

    Are they independent?

    Can they be verified elsewhere?

    The same rules apply to Russian media and every other claim.

    But using other fallacies doesn't justify your response. Saying “Well, people dismiss Russian media too” isn’t a defense. It’s just avoiding the argument again.

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