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[–] 164 points 1 year ago (19 children)

My eighty year-old parents are driving for DoorDash. In my car.

If they don't, this supposedly 'free' country of ours will allow banks to force them onto the streets where they will be left for dead.

Fuck capitalism.

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  • [+] -20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (18 children)

    Fuck capitalism.

    Isn't that an America problem?

    Also randomly wasn't this how we lived before pensions?

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  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Also randomly wasn't this how we lived before pensions?

    I suspect you're making a point here, but I'm not sure what it is.

    Remember that the silents were born in an age where unions were far more prevalent. I'm not sure whether that addresses the point you were trying to make, but maybe.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    yeah like before modern capitalism, how did we live? we just worked until we couldn't yeah?

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  • [+] 12 points 1 year ago* (3 children)
  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Yep so it sounds like computers and society may be to blame for this? As we've moved towards a more individualistic society over the last 100 years we've gained a lot of things but being able to take care of our elders appears to have been lost in the fray :\

    This will hurt a lot coming up with the low fertility rate and significant amount of older people

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  • [+] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)
  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago*

    why do you talk in a weird wikipedia style :/

    edit: are you using a translator app/website?

    from your earlier post

    and they would certainly not have been left in the streets if they stopped being able to.

    as worked out above in my other post they are not living on the street, they’re living an extremely nice first world life that they need to pay for, they could easily cut their expenses down by 1/3rd and still have a better life than most of the planet and in history without the need for any of their children or others having to live with them

    In an industrial capitalistic society though, automation just means that the owner class can extract more value without bettering the material conditions of the workforce.

    this sounds like you read a wikipedia article on communism and are just pasting it here

    they live, clearly, materially better conditions not just in nearly every aspect of the workplace, from safety to tools, to a clearly materially better life in a nice happy retirement village with a nice new car and all the first world modern medicine they need, not the least after they have recently had multiple modern surgeries which have kept them alive to begin with

    they blame their situation on a lack of access to personal finance advice:

    They grew up against the economic backdrop of the Great Depression and World War II, and learned to be financially cautious after seeing what their parents endured. However, they didn't have access to the same kind of personal finance advice and tools that are prevalent today.

    and i’m pretty sure they’re not planning on moving to cuba anytime soon

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I know plenty of people in Canada and Mexico that still work much later than they should have to to support family members. Might not be a problem in more socialist countries but definitely not uniquely an American problem.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Most of the world has and to a large degree still relies on relatives to support them when they can't work anymore

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    100% this is what i was thinking of, what do people in those countries do if they don't have children to take care of them?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Some sort of charity. From religious institutions, some sort of alms house etc. Or just beg and die.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (4 children)

    Right now, the Hindses take in $4,600 a month from their Social Security, Bill's pension from a TV station in Connecticut, and Lydia's monthly wages. Monthly rent for their one-bedroom apartment in a 55-plus development is $1,400, their car payment is $625 a month, their car insurance is $236 a month, and their Medicare combined is $426 a month. On top of that, they have emergency medical expenses, medications, grocery and gas bills, and utilities. They're left with close to nothing at the end of the month.

    The hell is this? 2.1k a month on rent??

    Why do they have to pay nearly $1000 a month for a car?? What is a car payment? are they renting a car at extortion rates?

    Is this normal in America?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    According to this article, average payment is $745 new / $521 used on a 6 year note. So they either have a nicer used car or slightly below average new car.

    $1,400 for rent in a managed apartment complex in a US suburban area also doesn't raise an eyebrow, especially in a northeast state like Connecticut.

    So yeah, this is "normal" in America.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Pensions are a roman invention

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Pensions are a roman invention

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_retirement

    Looks like it was just for those who served in the military, what did other people do?

    In 1881,[3][4] the conservative German chancellor, Otto Von Bismarck, in a maneuver against Marxists who were burgeoning in power and popularity, announced that anyone over 70 years old would be forced to retire and that he would pay a pension to them

    What did they do before 1881? Just keep working?

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  • [–] 74 points 1 year ago (32 children)

    Welcome to what younger generations realized a decade ago or more. Most of us will never own a home or retire. I plan to end it when my life becomes unbearable in old age rather than be a slave to the system. That’s why, even though we (spouse and I) financially save for the future, I live for now. We (collectively) have no future. Accepting it is easier than being depressed about it.

    Note: this doesn’t mean I don’t do what I can to try to save our (collective) future. It’d be selfish not to try.

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  • [–] [S] 49 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Somebody launch my carcass through a billionaires front window please when I'm old.

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  • [–] 31 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Only if I can strap dynamite to you first.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago

    My retirement plan is assisted suicide (in Canada, of course). Feels weird to be saving for death, but this is the reality we live in. What else can I do? Wait until I can't work anymore and can't pay my mortgage and hydro bill? And then what, hang myself in the barn? Fuck that, I want to go out high af and feeling no pain.

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  • [+] 8 points 1 year ago (4 children)
  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Genuine abhorrence of violence. Even though I think (know) it's the only way we can overcome the lying, cheating, violent bastards on the other side, growing up in an abusive home makes the idea nauseating to me.

    I do believe we'll reach a point where we have no choice, though I fear that will happen when it's too late.

    Also, conditioning by mass media over a lifetime.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I plan to get a small bomb for when I had enough. Have some issues though so far.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago (13 children)

    You are in a dual income no kids situation and think you'll never own a home? Where do you live where a dual income can't support buying a house...

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  • [–] [S] 7 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Californian here. Studios are starting around $3,200 where I live in socal.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I have a cousin who lives in LA. He rents a studio for something like $1100 a month, in a decent part of the city. Apparently it's rent-controlled, which is something I've never heard of as far as Los Angeles is concerned.

    To be honest, I heard of all this through his mother. I kind of suspect he's lying to her and is actually a drug dealer and his place costs a lot more than he's letting on.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    This 81-year-old still works at Home Depot to support herself and her 90-year-old husband

    Bay Area, California. And before you tell me to move to a place where I can afford a cheaper home, I don't want to live in any of those places. I've lived in them and I hated them for various reasons. This is the one place in the USA where I feel absolutely at home.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    it’s cool but so far 4/4 people have said they live in california, it’s clear it’s expensive for a reason

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    One reason is jobs. People with skills in tech can't always work full-time remote and have to come to the office at least enough to have to be able to drive there (and honestly, the best jobs are here by multiple definitions). Another is the culture. I literally feel absolutely at home here in a way that I might only experience in a few other places in the country (maybe Portland, for example, but there's a lot of racists in that state). Another is the weather. After living in places with ultra hot summers and ultra cold winters, I don't have any tolerance for dealing with that shit again. It's a nice trifecta of what I want / need to live the life that I want to live.

    As an aside, living here also exposes me to a ton of live music that isn't accessible in other parts of the country. Take bands that come from oversees. Where are they almost guaranteed to play? Large coastal cities like NY, SF, LA. There are so many bands that come here that can't make a profit playing any but the largest cities because they aren't super popular in the states, but they can draw enough people in large urban areas to make it worth their while. Examples that I've seen recently (last few years): Air, Kula Shaker, Lords of Acid, Ladytron, Ott, The Presets. Good luck seeing all of them in Denver or Houston.

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  • [–] [S] 69 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    "I feel trapped working, but I can't stop working," Lydia says, sitting up to cuddle her basset hound, Brigette. Her husband, Bill, gives her a kiss but lets her be. The 90-year-old would like to get a job to help Lydia pay the bills, but because of health problems, there's little he can do.

    "I feel so guilty that I can't work," Bill says.

    "You can't work because of your age and your health issues," Lydia snaps back. "There's no sense feeling guilty about it."

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  • [–] 63 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    'Murica

    On Reddit this would be an uplifting story about how Home Depot employs the elderly to help them pay medical bills.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago

    Ditch the pet. As much as I used to love animals, I now see them as a ridiculous expensive hobby and unethical.

    I don't picture myself at 80 scooping litter, stepping in vomit, brushing a cat every two days, having hair everywhere, having the cat take a crap while I'm preparing my food (every damn time), having the cat fart in my face every morning when I don't get up quick enough for its tastes, buying expensive food because the intense flavorings they use make the cat refuse store brand food, having to get expensive vet check ups, the medications, the city wanting medallions, etc

    I can't even imagine having to drag a dog outside and picking up warm shits, the smell...

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  • [–] 52 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    in before a republican tries to sell this as excellent work ethics, patriotism and american dream

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  • [–] 29 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Whew. I'm so glad this couple wasn't subject to the horrors of socialism! Only capitalism can keep them gainfully employed until they are near-death. No other economic system can even compare!

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Don't forget that capitalism is literally the only viable economic system, full stop. Before its advent in 1463 by Bernard H. Capital, nothing worked, anywhere, for tens of thousands of years. The world was in turmoil. Cats associated freely with dogs, the Keebler elves were not properly enslaved, and humans lived on a diet of pine needles, grubs, and sea water. Pure madness.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    Remember: Capitalism came about from rich merchants and lords realizing that citizens were starting to get murdery about their tyrranical monarchs so they basically said “hey, what if we make a system based on money that technically everyone has but where the shear amount of wealth we have in comparison means that we’re basically still monarchs without monarchy?”

    Which, to relate to your comment, is to say that the system hasn’t meaningfully changed and we’ve had “capitalism” for a long, long time(and it’s sucked the whole time it was happening!)

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    At least its not being presented as a feel good story. Still remember bush brining up the person with three jobs as inspiring.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I'm about to turn 52 and I've known my whole life that I'd never get to retire.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Yup 42 prob die at work. Lucky its just me and I don't have to worry about anyone else. Just turn wrenches til I croak haha.

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  • Similar boat here but I'm only here until my parents go, then I'm done. I don't have any intention of continuing this bullshit until I can't anymore. I didn't ask to be here, I don't want to be here, I just don't want to break anybody when I go.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago

    This generation needs to pick itself up by their bootstraps and remember that work dignifies. 81 years young! /s

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago

    Hi,

    Welcome to the Universe. You get to exist for a comparatively extremely short blip of time before you return to the nothingness forever. Despite incredible advances in technology and subsequent major increases in productivity we're going to need you to continue working right up until you return to the nothingness. Thanks for your cooperation!

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago

    This is what countries without a good social support network look like. It's either government or younger generations that take care of elders. The US used to be government with retirement and social security but there's a shift and US kids were not raised in a social situation that supports elderly, so it's going to be a hard transition. The US has forgotten what the government was established for.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago

    I hate seeing old people working at establishments like grocery stores. It is the saddest representation that our system does not work. They should be living their life traveling, spending time with family, or gardening. No one should have to work into their 60's.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Yeah well old people are the reason old people have to work like this

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    To be fair, oppression has existed in every generation. We are not immune, polling makes that very clear. As another example, the leaders of the generation that made the post world war 2 boom did everything in their power to prevent black people from benefitting. Just like the leaders of the baby boomers and silent generation decided to fuck over poor people and begin the regression to another gilded age in the 1970's.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    And when you're old you'll be the reason why other old people get blamed for the shit state of the world by the younger people.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    And it will have been my and their fault. As if the kids of billionaires and the new wealth of my generation won't continue to destroy everything. As their peer I have the responsibility to stop them. Anything else is an excuse tbfh.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    wow if i was biz insider i would be really nervous about printing stuff like this

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