He should be allowed to keep it. Just got to pay sticker price for it.
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Yeah, fuck the Emoluments Clause.
Even if the plane itself was "free", they are voting to make a $1B gift (the cost to retrofit the plane) from tax money to one guy personally?
isn't any gift received by the president property of the government? or so i gathered from watching the west wing 😆
That's how it used to work.
So much of our government worked on the idea that nobody would be brazen enough to break convention, and the untested belief that voters would immediately and vehemently reject anyone trying to openly abuse their power.
We now know both of those assumptions were wrong.
The country was formed when there were like 2 million people in it. We should have thrown everything out and rewritten it decades if not centuries ago.
I don't think those assumptions were there originally, but there were definitely a ton of them post world war 2.
It was gifted to his presidential library. So no. Only Trump can use it. Pretty fucked up huh?
But it's going to cost around 1 billion to renovate by our tax dollars.
Hey Doge! I think you can cut some waste right here!
That's the part that doesn't make sense to me. It's either a gift to him, and it's his problem to take care of, or a gift to the government, and their problem.
When you get elected president your car(s) doesn't suddenly get overhauled with bullet proof glass and security features paid for by the government. You hop in a government provided vehicle, and when you leave (outside of specific instances and time frames) you hop back in your normal car and live your life. Sure the secret service is around for things, but George Bush buys a truck from dealership, it doesn't get taken to a military installation and reworked with our taxes.
Ex-presidents are banned from driving unless they have declined secret service protection.
And their properties are renovated at taxpayer expense to add secure communications, guardhouses, helipads and covered space for vehicles.
Biden, Bush, and Obama drive. Trump's the only one that doesn't. Actually Biden drove during his presidency, but only on enclosed areas I believe.
They can drive on their compound, but never on public roads.
This is a really good case for sabotaging the retrofit. Slow it wwwwaaaaaayyyyy doooowwwnnn, and do all the merely cosmetic tacky gilt stuff first. Once he retires, the protective shielding and communications and weaponry won't be necessary anymore. And he won't care, as long as it looks lavish enough.
Also I think we really need to start using "retires" rather than "leaves office." Or "goes private" if it seems like he doesn't want to feel old enough for retirement. We have to make it seem like something he'd want. If we really made it appealing he'd quit early, because he's sure the fuck not doing this job for the sake of the nation.
Emoluments clause? No? Anyone? Anyone?
No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State.
Technically that right there would make it ok if the house passes the same. But my God, if we're going to use that qualifier to let the president have something from a foreign state did it have to be a fucking 747?
This vote was against an amendment to a bill that would ban him from keeping it. Not a grant to do so.
I guess it's encouraging that they think he'll ever be leaving office alive.
Everyone has been put under a normalization spell, the trauma was too intense too long. I tried explaining to another liberal my fears about this term's version of the January 6 insurrection, he looked at me like I was crazy. People are trained to believe the ping-pong will go on forever, save and easy.
We're spoiled from having peaceful transfers of power for so long. It Can't Happen Here.
Peaceful transfers of power? You had a civil war over the transfer of power a century and a half ago, and "transfers of power" via assassination are common enough for the President to be the most dangerous job in your country. The "Can't Happen Here" is due to a constant flood of exceptionalist propaganda; it has nothing to do with your track record.
“That’s not gunna happen!”
“None of it was ‘gunna happen’ and it just kept right happening anyway!”
They say it’s our thumbs and big brains that are our super power but I swear, our ability to pretend like everything is fine despite overwhelming evidence is something truly incredible.
Or they know the opposite and allow it because of that
The funny thing is that Christians always say "you can't take it with you when you die", so maybe they made a deal with god to get an exception?
Did anyone say alive?
Trump Pyramid where he gets buried with his jet...
Lolita Express II.
Well, he's never going to leave the Oval Office at the end of this term, so the point is kind of moot.
Or make it there at all. The pope was just a warm up. Vance wants that oval office couch.
He might have to leave bcz he doesn't know who he is. Trust me on this one, dude is barely lucid most days. If he croaks before the end of his term, it'll be a good day for USA'ians. Even if it doesn't fix the problem entirely, he's a shit stain on the human race.
If he croaks before the end of his term, it’ll be a good day for USA’ians.
It'll be even more unstable with Vance in charge.
Reminder that Dick Cheney is still alive. Kissinger also lived to be a 100.
Evil seems to have a way to sustain certain people far beyond what would seem natural for most others.
Is it possible to learn this power?
All you have to do, is to embrace narcissism.
Not even kidding. I think it causes a placebo effect that allows nasty people to live far longer than they should.
The "secret" is not stressing about anyone other than yourself. That's it. That's the whole deal. The problem is that you're either born this way (narcissist) or you become this way trough 'training' (sociopathy). The default human setting is actually empathy though, although modern life has done a great job of obfuscating this over the last few decades.
Maybe, but i dont think any of them had a documented family history of Alzheimers.
Crazy don’t crack
Evil, no. Money, yes.
To be fair ANY day he croaks should be a day of celebration throughout the world.
Vance is just a more evil version of trump with more full cognitive ability and bladder control... so...
If he croaks before the end of his term, it'll be a good day for USA'ians
You're a fucking idiot. Don't underestimate Vance or the people pulling his strings.
Trump only cares about himself. Vance actively and passionately hates you.
You're a fucking idiot.
Yeah, uhm, well, im not, so there's that.
Even if it doesn't fix the problem entirely, he's a shit stain on the human race.
Second, I never said it would fix the problem... see above and read comments in their entirety before insulting people's intelligence and telling them how much more dangerous everyone else is. As if I dont know Trump isnt the one calling the shots... 🙄
Edit: We are all on the same team here. Calling people names and being a dick isnt helping anything.
I agree with you that there is a significant chance J.D. Vance would do more to harm the US and the World than Trump ever could, you don't have to be such a jerk about it. Being right doesn't give you permission to be mean.
Oh so they all admit it IS A FUCKING BRIBE THEN? GODDAMNIT FUCK EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THESE SLIMY FUCKS
"Emolument"? You sound gay and your shit's all retarded
No one could have seen this coming. We’re such a clown show.
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Trump is the king of leeching off the government. Their hypocrisy knows no bounds.
Murdoch's age is just insane. His fucking father was a stain on humanity during fucking WWI, and that dude was already in his 30s at the time.
Oh but they does. Keith Murdoch (Rupert's father) was born in 1885 so was 29 at the outbreak of WWI. Rupert (literally Keith Rupert Murdoch) was born in 1931 when his father was 46.
He'll leave office in a few years (let it be very few), whether walking, dragged, or feet-first.
I'm curious to know who is going to pay to keep it airworthy, if DT does leave office? Those things aren't cheap to maintain.
If he leaves office he won't be in a position to grant political favours to friends.
Lmao. Hey, republican voters? Are you watching? How much longer can you hold out? He is a crook, lied to you and is now destroying the country. Wake tf up.
That's a white elephant gift.
If he's still around, maintenance on that thing isn't gonna be affordable
They should force him to repay the money being spent to renovate the plane.
It's a money pit.
What he should do is SAY he spent the money on the airplane but REALLY put the money in his back pocket.
Are there not laws that determine gifts and compensation for the President that would be broken here? And if not, why not?
The people who write the laws are saying they are OK with this. The law doesn't mean much when the corrupt have the pen and paper.
Is there really a more corrupt country in the world, we know Russia, Ukraine used to be (maybe still is ), and I'm sure many others that we think it believe to be corrupt, but when really looking at what is going in in America I think they top the cake. Yeah I'm sure they spin it so it has a justified reason but I think that's all smoke and mirrors.
They need to be added to some type of list.



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