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And nothing of value was lost (lemmy.world)
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[–] 163 points 1 year ago (25 children)

there was an old redditism that the best way to get off with murder is to use your car and call it an accident... I wonder if this is that. Get plastered, kill a nazi, go to jail for 5 years instead of 20.

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  • [–] 95 points 1 year ago (15 children)

    there was an old redditism that the best way to get off with murder is to use your car

    Not a redditism. An urbinist-ism. Reddit had a healthy contingent of urbanists, but you'll find us here on Lemmy too, over at !fuckcars@lemmy.world, or !urbanism@slrpnk.net. (Or, frankly, because it's a movement with significant overlap to anticapitalism, just all around the threadiverse.)

    And it's completely true, too. I can easily think of half a dozen cases where someone killed someone else with a car and got away scott-free in my country alone (in fact: with just one exception, the ones that come to my mind are all in my city alone). And only one of those cases even went to court as far as I know.

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  • [–] 30 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    Dan Sheehan (of “NOT A WOLF”) wrote a piece about how easy it is to get away with vehicular murder on his blog: https://www.reallyveryhuman.com/p/where-can-a-car-kill-me

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  • [–] 29 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I have a cousin who once said that he's gotten more tickets on a bike in Manhattan than anytime he's driven through the city. He then followed that with, "in fact, I'm pretty sure that as long as you don't hit anything that pays or collects taxes, the police will tell you to go away because you're interrupting the flow of traffic."

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    How tf do you get a ticket on a bike? Just hop on the sidewalk and down an alley or two and nobody's going to catch you.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Sadly this article is paywalled

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    In Canada you'd be unlucky to even get jail time at all, it's fucked. We're kinda infamous for this.

    One I remember was a driver going 120 km/hr in a 60 zone, ran over some girl guides, and kills an 8 year old.

    2 years of house arrest.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    In Italy there's been a big push against this in the last decade.

    There's now a law called "road murder" (omicidio stradale) which makes the penalties for killing someone while driving, especially if intoxicated, more similar to intentional murder (rather than manslaughter). It's essentially aggravated manslaughter, when you cause the death of someone while driving recklessly.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    That's brilliant.

    Honestly I'd push for a change in law such that a crash between a car and a more vulnerable road user is legally presumed to be the car's fault unless evidence is provided to the contrary. The big problem we've had far too many times where I live, and in many other parts of the world, is that because you can't prove the driver was riding negligently (or more to the point: because you can't convince a car-brained jury pool or judge panel to find that they were negligent), far too often they get off scott-free.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Generally speaking, here it's often presumed that it's the car's fault, or at least that's how I feel it's perceived.

    Still, negligent driving includes DUI, driving while on the phone, driving too fast, driving in the opposite lane, not stopping to a red light or yield, illegal passing of another car and failing to stop after the incident occurred.

    Moreover, the law now specifies that DUI is a criminal offense even when no incident occurred and blood level of alcohol is above 0.8 g/l, with possible jail time from 6 months to a year.

    It's become quite strict. Although I'm not sure how much it will actually affect the number of incidents, I'm not always very pro to "just increase the penalties" kind of laws. We need a more comprehensive plan to reduce the likelihood of incidents as much as possible, especially deadly incidents.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    here it’s often presumed that it’s the car’s fault

    By people and the media, or by the law? Because those are definitely not the same.

    Though unfortunately in most of the anglosphere, the answer is that the average person will presume it's the *non-*car-driver's fault, and the law will make no presumption either way (which has the effect of letting drivers get off).

    Moreover, the law now specifies that DUI is a criminal offense even when no incident occurred and blood level of alcohol is above 0.8 g/l

    Wow that's really cool! Is 0.8 g/L the only level of BAC that's used in Italian law? Or are there like, other lower thresholds with less legal severity? I ask because, assuming 0.8 g/L is the same as a 0.08% BAC, that seems really high. For context, in carbrained Australia the limit is .05.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Not a lawyer, so I'm not sure about the law, but generally speaking the perception I get (ie what people say) is that "it's always your fault" when speaking to drivers. Btw, this doesn't mean that streets are any safer for cyclists or people walking or that people driver any better. This is why I'm not always in favor of laws that just add more penalties, but fail to do any structural changes.

    As for alcohol level, the law says under 0.5 g/l is fine, between 0.5 and 0.8 it's a minor infraction (fine and possible license suspension), between 0.8 and 1.5 it becomes a criminal offense, with bigger fine, longer license suspension and jail up to 6 months, and over 1.5 g/l it's still bigger fine, longer suspension, up to a year of jail etc. Then there are the aggravating circumstances, like if you also cause an accident, it's doubled, if it's a repeat offender there's the revocation of the license etc.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Genuinely true! Killing with cars is a misdemeanor.

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  • [+] 18 points 1 year ago (3 children)
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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I mean, how long did it take the cops to get there? Because .42 is crazy fucking high. It can absolutely kill you it's so high. She would have had to have more than 10 drinks in an hour for that. That's about two thirds of a fifth between the time it was called in and when the cops got there.

    I'm not saying it's not doable. I'm saying if she did that she was trying to die.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    She lists on her WriteAPrisoner page that her biggest inspiration is Maya Angelou, a black civil rights activist. She also has her bachelor's in journalism. Not impossible lol.

    Unfortunately her earliest release date is midway through 2033, 15 years after incarceration in 2018.

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    [–] 46 points 1 year ago

    I'd say give her back her driver's licence, but its only valid in towns occupied by the kkk/neo-nazis

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    [–] 43 points 1 year ago

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    [–] 31 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Jury nullification?

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  • [–] 56 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    On the vehicular manslaughter sure, on drunk driving charges, I should hope not. Sure this time a Nazi scumbag who deserves to die was killed, but next time it might be someone wholely innocent. Just because we hate the victim doesn't mean what she did wasn't reckless.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    If we are taking it seriously, that lady is lucky to be alive let alone able to open a car door at a BAC of .42. Secondly if she was at a .42 and looked that well put together when they let her out of the drunk tank the next morning it's just not fair.

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    • [–] 88 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    If this situation was reversed, MAGA would have raised $100k for her legal defense by now.

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    • [–] 74 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Fascist Lives Don't Matter.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Your grandfather went to war to protect the world from a global enemy. Mr. Sherry got drunk and drove on the way killing a nazi. These two things are not even close to be the same. Lets just be happy a nazi died. No need to justify DUI.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    The difference is that your grandfather aimed at Nazis where as this bitch was just your average day red neck trash who doesn't give a shit about anyone but herself and doesn't give a shit of she kills a Nazi or a little child.

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    • [–] 20 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    can you imagine trying to repent and make amends for this one, and every loved one of that asshole is just as bad as they are.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    The good thing about forgiveness is that it doesn't have to be actually granted in order for the person to see the errors in their way and meaningfully repent. Works the other way too, you don't have to forgive anyone for anything ever (though that can arguably be harmful to yourself).

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    • [–] 13 points 1 year ago

    Based booze cruiser fights fascism

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    [–] 12 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    Yeah, I get the hurr durr, but this bitch is just your average day red neck trash who doesn't give a shit about anyone but herself and doesn't give a shit of she kills a Nazi or a little child.

    Fuck this bitch, let her rot in jail. Just bect she got lucky doesn't make any of this better

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    • [–] 13 points 1 year ago

    some people do their best work when drunk

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    • [–] 55 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Her inmate photo is something else. Sadly she got like 15 years. Free my girl.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    She seems happy about it? Also shouldn't her name be kept private? Are convicts details to be public knowledge?

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    • [–] 18 points 1 year ago

    We are in an administration that lives by "the ends justify the means", so I'll allow it this once.

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    [–] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    To tell the truth I backed over the last two with my car.

    Fortunately they turned out to be Nazis.

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