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[–] 56 points 1 year ago* (6 children)

This is so they can identify everyone who uses the internet.

Remember how everyone was horrified when an authoritarian government like China forced everyone to disclose their identities to get online?

Now the authoritarians are here.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

    Yes.

    “We’re not at all surprised the UK government is deploying this tactic now when the world is paying attention to the horrors unfolding, they’d rather silence the discussion than confront their own complicity,” the moderators of r/IsraelCrimnes told me. “By labeling brutally documented atrocities as ‘mature content’ and gate‑keeping access, they reveal themselves as hypocrites: preaching democracy and human rights abroad while trampling them at home.”

    It gets better /s:

    Reddit explained that it will verify users' age by partnering with Persona, an identity verification company that raised $200 million in April in a series D round led by Peter Thiel’s Founders Fund. Persona asks users to upload a selfie or photo ID in order to verify their age. Reddit says it does not have access to these images, and that Persona does not retain those photos for more than seven days. 

    Take a deep breath…

    EDIT added /s for sarcasm

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Remember how everyone was horrified when an authoritarian government like China forced everyone to disclose their identities to get online? You're thinking of Korea, its government required every citizen to have a ten digit online ID until 2008.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago (6 children)
  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Oh that's adorable, it's like a Roman in 80 CE complainign to their senator about government policy.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Cool, are you doing anything in the real world to try to make a positive change or just shitting on people who are?

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago

    Maybe just use your MP's selfie or ID? use-their-id.com

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Oh this is bad. We need to move more people onto places like this. I can't say I know how though. If you have any ideas please reply to me! I would love to hear them.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    UK users need photo ID to view any adult content on the internet. Those subs often include gore. I don't understand what point the author is trying to make.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago

    a lot of the discussion about "require age verification to view adult content" tends to oversimplify "adult content == pornography"

    which in turn means opposition to these laws gets dismissed / trivialized as "oh, so you want children to look at porn then?"

    I think it's an important reminder that "adult content" is much broader than 13 year olds who want to go to PornHub and search "boobies"

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    [–] 160 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Remember in 2012 how everyone was horrified when an authoritarian government like China forced everyone to disclose their identities to get online so they could track and censor them?

    Now the authoritarians are here.

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  • [–] 58 points 1 year ago

    The joke of the China comparison was that we had a bunch of libertarians screaming "We can't have social services! The government will weaponize them against us and track everything we say and do!!! Public healthcare, public transit, public education, public utilities - they're all a slippery slope to the Police State, just like in China!"

    And now we get all the same mass surveillance via privatized channels, while libertarians seem to have fully clammed up (when they aren't quietly cheering on psychopaths like RFK Jr). But we get none of the public amenities. Yay... love my Freedom(TM)

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  • [–] 47 points 1 year ago

    We're gonna be sending AI generated photos to AI powered age verifiers to read AI generated articles about the latest developments in AI.

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  • [–] 83 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Sounds like it's time for those subreddits to find new homes on non-UK instances of Lemmy.

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  • [–] [S] 49 points 1 year ago*

    All kinds of governments are rushing to implement something similar. The Fediverse solves some problems, but not the problem of a site being hosted in a single geographical location (and thus a single government's jurisdiction). To help with this there are tools like i2p that can obscure a site's hosting location, and there's also work on distributed web hosting, but the latter still seems to be in its early stages. One day maybe we'll have distributed websites that can be resilient against censorship.

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  • [–] -4 points 1 year ago (5 children)
  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Whaddaya mean? A non-UK instance doesn't have to comply with UK law if it doesn't operate as an entity in the UK and so it won't require the face ID for UK visitors. So long as the instance is okay with hosting this content, it would let UK visitors view it. For example, I don't think the UK has authority or mechanism to ask a Brazil-based instance to do this.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Then it just gets blocked in the uk and you're back to having to use a vpn.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Sure but that means they have to have a mechanism, legal and material to execute this. There must be an gov't institution that looks for and designates sites to be blocked. Then they have to have legal power to compel UK ISPs to block those lists. Are these things part of this law? I haven't read enough.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    As I understand it if a site doesn't comply and fineing them isn't an option Ofcom can apply for a court order to, indeed, compell ISPs to block them.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Okay. Yeah that makes sense and in that case hosting on the Fediverse out of the UK would probably unblock it for a long time. If the blocking is not trivial - like one person adding a URL to a list - then they'd have to prioritize and they'd likely be going over bigger fish like international porn sites and such for a long time before they reach communities on the Fediverse that may or may not be self-designated NSFW. If they're on Reddit on the other hand, they get voluntarily blocked by the platform itself in the UK almost certainly without direction from Ofcom.

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  • [–] 109 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Yeah, that's not making lists of dissenters... /s

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  • [–] [S] 9 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    I heard that some of the checks require video of the person performing particular movements. So a little harder to fake with AI.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    There are video deepfake systems that can animate these fictional faces. We need a catalogue of the kinds of facial positions these systems ask for

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    One of them that is hard is waving your hand in front of your face. It trips up almost every deepfake system I’ve seen. That’s a common test we’ve had to start using with interviewees because they’d try to game the system.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago*

    I guess in that case you could do the following, though it is a bit of work:

    1. Learn what actions are supposed to be taken in the demand for selfie identification

    2. Record a video of yourself performing the actions, but not with your hand moving in front of your face for that section

    3. Record a different video of just your hand moving past the camera

    4. Deepfake the face video

    5. Composite the video of the hand over top of the deep fake video with chroma/luma keying

    6. Use virtual webcam software to play back the video into the actual demand for selfie identification

    Wouldn't work if a real human being is there asking, but should work for a known set of instructions ahead of time that is being audited by software.

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  • [–] 36 points 1 year ago

    casually slides IP address across English Channel to France

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  • [+] -20 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    because citizens ringing their digits to express concerns means so much more to them than their donors ringing them

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    How do they verify the selfie is actually the user?

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Yeah, this is what happens when you write laws with vague language. Companies will always err on the side of caution.

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    [–] 16 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    It's crazy that we have website that are just outlets for war gore to begin with. The "solution" to the social rot that is monetization of war pornography appears to be adding a bunch of faces to a big database marked "Adult", I guess?

    Who does this even benefit, other than data warehousing and aggregation companies?

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago*

    https://old.reddit.com/r/ukrainewarfootage

    seems to work

    Nobody uses the new reddit ux, right?

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    If the kids can't see the horrors of war [crimes], they're more likely to be convinced of being participants.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Hey, we wouldn't want young people to know that they're being propagandized by the state of Israel to ignore a genocide, would we? Let's block them from informing themselves under the guise of "protecting" them from porn, which they'll still be able to get to from shadier websites that bombard them with malware. Yeah, that's the solution.

    Politicians are so out of touch. Also, all zionists can rot in hell.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Yes, politicians are way out of touch. On every level.

    For Zionists... well, that just sounds like genocide with extra steps.... You'd think the Jewish diaspora would be against genocide, but here we are.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago

    https://social-rise.com/blog/list-of-nsfw-subreddits says there are 10476 NSFW subreddits so is this the first of a 5238 long list of articles that all say "UK Users need to post selfie or photo id to view ... and ..."?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Lol no.

    They tried that crap already with the black-identifying subs, and surprise surprise they don't actually approve your posts once you follow all the stipulations. They make note of your race and keep you in a "list", reasoning that you didn't meet several "off the book" regulations (gee... why does that sound familiar to any POC applying for a job or an apartment...).

    Don't give them any information. You still won't get access, and now they have your personal data.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    I wonder if this will affect RSS feeds

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  • 3 comments in c/unitedkingdom@feddit.uk view that post
    [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Of all the things to get mad at Reddit/UK govt for age restricting, war forage should should be far down that list. Watching people get blown into pieces is literally traumatising and ideally children shouldn't be exposed to it.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    UK users need to stop using Reddit and contact their representatives.

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  • 3 comments in c/DeclineIntoCensorship@lemmy.dbzer0.com view that post
    [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    This is of course the real reason

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    How many users do you think are using a photo of someone else, or AI?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    This situation would be so much less messy if basically every western nation wasn't deeply complicit.

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    [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Is r/UkraineWarFootage clips of actual war? If so I can understand the need to "protect the children" from viewing stuff like that. If however it is just a source towards articles of what is going on then this level of censorship is ridiculous.

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