There are plenty of controversies surrounding Spotify, but what really made me cancel my subscription was the fact that they ran recruitment ads for ICE. Boycott Spotify!

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[–] 72 points 11 hours ago* (1 child)

The founder openly stating he was in it for the ads not musicians wasnt enough?

(Quite early on into the company btw)

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  • [–] 38 points 7 hours ago (5 children)

    Already stopped using for platforming and paying millions to Joe Rogan

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  • [+] -7 points 1 hour ago (2 children)

    Ah yes Joe Rogan because he actually does interviews and asks questions instead of the mind numbing news outlets who are bought and paid for.

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  • [–] 35 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

    Sorry, but there's just no way I can boycott Spotify over this...

    Because I've already been boycotting them since 2019 for not paying artists enough.

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  • [–] 127 points 11 hours ago (1 child)

    Got it. I'll continue to not use Spotify.

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  • [–] 27 points 11 hours ago (5 children)

    Maybe try Qobuz, it seems not fascist.

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  • [–] 10 points 9 hours ago* (3 children)

    I tried it (Jan-March this year) and it's missing a large amount of music I like; I'm sitting on Apple Music since it seems to be the best balance of music availability, price, and privacy.

    (inb4 'rip your own music and own it' since unless you're going to do it for me, it ain't happening; I did it early on, and unless you automate it from start to finish, it's a pain)

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  • [–] 27 points 10 hours ago* (11 children)

    ICE ads have also been ran on Meta platforms (Facebook, Instagram), Google platforms (Google Search, YouTube), Twitter, HBO Max, Apple, Amazon, Microsoft and Snapchat. Basically all of big tech that sell ads, with the notable exception of TikTok, which does not allow political and government advocacy ads.

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  • [–] 17 points 10 hours ago (8 children)

    And I'm boycotting them all! Come on, people, we can do it!

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  • [–] 9 points 10 hours ago* (7 children)

    I get its tongue in cheek, but no you're not. Most of the internet is hosted on AWS and Google Cloud.

    It's impossible to truly boycott these giants, without just going offline.

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  • [–] 16 points 10 hours ago

    But we don't need to go for 100% do destabilize them. Just see what happens when their stocks fall a bit and the market goes crazy. Boycotting the services presented to end users is already enough to send many of them out of business, so let's do it!

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  • [–] 8 points 9 hours ago* (1 child)

    You can absolutely boycott them, unless you define boycott as being exposed, and not used.

    I heard someone's phone play some music in passing in public yesterday. It might very well have been played using Spotify, which would mean that I "used" Spotify. This I, of course, disagree with.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 hours ago

    Yeah, but if you are using a site or service that relies on AWS or Google Cloud, then you are indirectly supporting them, as with more users the service will pay more to the providers.

    But any amount of boycott is a great start and perhaps people and businesses will choose different hosting providers with awareness raised!

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  • [–] 1 point 6 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

    Most of my Internet usage is small sites where I know where they're hosted, German sites I know to be hosted on European hosting providers, and stuff I host either in my flat or on one of my VPS. So yes, it's possible to mostly boycott them, if you happen to have the right skills and are in the right location.

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  • [–] 22 points 7 hours ago (3 children)

    Boycott? Never used them in the first place.

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  • [–] -1 points 3 hours ago (1 child)

    Spotify is owned by Hulu who is owned by Disney/ABC.

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  • [–] 21 points 8 hours ago

    I threw Spotify away when they wouldn't stop platforming Nazis.

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  • [–] 41 points 10 hours ago (4 children)

    I'm sure that this will be the thing that convinces stubborn Spotify users to finally switch after they've ignored the last 481 controversies that Spotify has racked up.

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  • [–] [S] 39 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

    Not everyone is aware of the controversies. Until recently I was one of them. I'm hoping this post will reach them and encourage them to join the boycott.

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  • [–] 14 points 10 hours ago (1 child)

    It was more that they pay the artists that make up all their content absolute dog shit in royalties since their inception that made me boycott, this one is just another cherry on the pile

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  • [–] 16 points 8 hours ago* (5 children)

    This happened quite some time ago.

    AudiCable gives you the ability to download your Spotify library to your storage outside of the Spotify app. This will violate their ToS and they'll lock you out of your account until you contact support and tell them you won't do it again. I haven't tried this (yet) but I suspect you can download your Spotify library inside the app, turn off your internet, run AudiCable and transfer your library, then uninstall Spotify and they'll presumably never know.

    ... in Minecraft.

    Qobuz is a outstanding music streaming service. If you're into EDM then check out Beatport.

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  • [–] [S] 6 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

    I used Sunnify for Linux to convert my downloaded Spotify songs to mp3. Now I have all of my songs locally. Then I deleted my account.

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    Help me understand. You're happy to boot lick Spotify for severely under paying artists (theft), with a CEO who openly supports war crimes (morally reprehensible) and happily runs ICE ads (also morally bankrupt) while praising Joe Rogan (need I say more) and yet you draw the line at someone ripping their mp3 collection?

    The fuck outta here with that joke-ass troll shit. These takes are so pathetic there's no way it's a legit Lemmy user.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 hours ago (1 child)

    I didn't think Qobuz was great. Their algorithm needs work. I've had much better luck with Tidal. Qobuz gives slightly more money to the artists, but they're both better at that than Spotify.

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  • [–] 12 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

    I need to sit down and set up self hosting for music

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  • [–] 9 points 11 hours ago (3 children)

    FYI you can request your data too.

    That's what I did after I left and put the money I saved into buying everything I'd ever listened to on Spotify as used CDs, month by month building my collection.

    Im at about 80% ownership of what I was listening to after a year now and the test is mostly one off listens I don't want to buy anyway.

    Wouldn't have been possible without the data dump.

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  • [–] 9 points 11 hours ago

    It’s crazy how often the companies I’m already boycotting do something to make me want to boycott them further…

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  • [–] 8 points 10 hours ago

    Can it be for both ice advertising and also grifting ai music https://lawfold.com/spotify-lawsuit/

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  • [–] 8 points 8 hours ago

    I get most of my music from Bandcamp, on bandcamp friday's. It sucks they sold out and are probably circling the drain, but for a long time they were a solid independent source.

    Buying directly from the band at a show or through their label is also cool.

    It's more of an up-front cost, but after years of doing this I have a large drm-free library.

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  • I don't think I can boycott them any harder.

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  • Sucks that I'm paying my government to pay ad agencies to shit up my ear-holes with ICE ads but at least it's being wasted on me instead of getting served to someone who would consider joining.

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  • [–] 8 points 10 hours ago (7 children)

    There was someone who was sharing alternative options for the usual, does anyone know where they went, or which sub they post to? I was too unfamiliar with Lemmy to make note of it. I wish you could follow people.

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  • [–] [S] 10 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (5 children)

    I don't know, sorry. But here is a list of alternatives:

    TL;DR:

    1. Tidal
    2. Apple Music
    3. Deezer
    4. Amazon Music
    5. Youtube Music
    6. Qobuz
    7. Soundcloud
    • Edited to cross off the alternatives that donated to Trump's inauguration
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  • [–] 2 points 7 hours ago (1 child)

    Thanks! I use qobuz and have since the ai drone weaponry investing thing. There's so many other things too. I miss those neat info graphics with bad guys / alternatives for everything.

    I really want to replace youtube next or at least figure out a fluid way to stream without adds. My grandson uses it and without it to calm him, here and there he can get a bit destructive / distressed.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 hours ago

    Not necessarily a β€œstreaming” service. But Subvert.fm is artist owned and operated. You can stream from the site/web app, you own what you buy from them, and the lions share of sales goes directly to the artist.

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  • [–] 7 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

    I stopped using spoofy 2 years ago I think? I've migrated back to direct downloading all my music. It's so fun building my library, and I get to properly support my favorite artists too!

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  • [–] 6 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

    When I deleted the few big tech accounts I had, I answered those questions, when asked, saying that I loved the service and that I would probably go back to them. If we all did that, we would leave them very confused and less likely to make mitigation strategies lol

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 10 hours ago

    I was considering writing something similar. Along the lines of, "I love your service but I can't in good conscience continue to give money to a company y that partners with such morally bankrupt organizations."

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  • I always select other and type in a minus sign or something. I am not doing unpaid labor of highlighting what's wrong with YOUR publicly traded for-profit corporation to help YOU earn more money by screwing us over. It's just not fair to help out a corporation for free that would never help out you for free, and would actually do all the agressive capitalist tactics in the book to extract more from you.

    And that's if any of them even care to read this feedback, since they only care about shareholders' feedback nowadays, not UX. Otherwise we wouldn't have enshittification.

    I am still happy to help out for free if it's a non-profit or privately owned company, and/or helpful, or a FOSS project. They deserve that stuff.

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  • [–] 6 points 10 hours ago

    I did the same with Pandora. Fuck 'em.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 hours ago

    Feels like all these companies to boycott are ones I wasn't using anyway..

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  • [–] 5 points 9 hours ago (1 child)

    I ran into a super progressive feminist a bit ago who used Spotify. She was gen X. Life is weird.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 hours ago (3 children)

    I have boycotted them from day one and nobody has come to my house and deleted all my MP3's. When you look long term, streaming will always be a bad deal unless you are willing to treat it like a rental at best.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 hours ago

    I was already.

    Why would I use any optional platform with ads? I'd rather go without music than hear ads.

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  • Yeah that was what finally got me to dump them and switch to another service

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  • [–] 4 points 7 hours ago

    Its hard for me to boycott anything since I don't really use anything not necessary for getting by.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 hours ago

    I pulled my music from Spotify some time ago for this very reason.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 hours ago

    I cancelled my subscription because it had become a shit product well before all this stuff started coming out

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  • [–] 3 points 6 hours ago

    they need a "not happening"/"the damage has been done" option for how likely to subscribe again

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  • [–] 5 points 6 hours ago (1 child)

    There are FOSS alternatives.

    I made a video about it.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 hour ago (6 children)

    Way ahead of you, I have never used Spotify, I don't like the concept of music streaming

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  • [–] 1 point 56 minutes ago (3 children)

    I maibly just buy my music on iTunes....

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  • [–] 0 points 35 minutes ago* (2 children)

    And Apple famously did never kiss trumps ass

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  • Honestly, I stopped paying for Spotify because Apple Music gave me 6 months for free (it was a Black Friday promo). I figured, worst case scenario, I port my account (AM imported all my Spotify stuff), I get 6 months free, I cancel, I start paying Spotify again. I save $60. Not bad. Well, Apple Music had the Japanese music I was downloading off YouTube and painfully sideloading into Spotify. So I liked that. Plus, if I have an album that's not on Apple Music, I just drop the album on Music (the app on my Mac) and it just adds it... just for me, though. Same conditions as the Spotify feature, just much easier to do. (Apparently it's pretty easy on Windows, too.)

    Then Spotify went and jacked up their prices and gave millions to Joe Rogan, who was working as Trump's mouthpiece. That and Apple Music supporting Japanese rock made me stick with Apple Music. To be fair, Spotify has since caught up with Apple Music for Japanese music. I think Spotify is still a little better for music discovery, but Apple ain't bad. I think both of them push more rap and pop, probably because it's cheaper for them to stream to you. If you like rock music, Spotify pushes back against you less than Apple Music does, but Apple will also eventually open up and start recommending rock... alongside pop and rap you don't care about (or at least I generally don't and still see it). Now Apple Music does the Super Bowl halftime show, so they pushed Bad Bunny last year, and Jay-Z this year. I don't mind them but I shouldn't be recommended their stuff... except that it makes Apple more money.

    Also, I was paying Spotify for a family plan, and Apple now. My wife never used Spotify, only used Pandora β€” on her Android phone. Once I switched to Apple Music, she started using that (because it's on Android). That means something to me. Like if we go to something else (like Qobuz is a popular alternative now), maybe she won't use it as much. I don't know why, as a loyal Android user, she likes the Apple Music app so much more than the Spotify app, but she does and that's what we pay for.

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    [–] 2 points 10 hours ago (1 child)

    Does anyone have experience migrating a Spotify family plan to Deezer?

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  • [–] 1 point 17 minutes ago

    Yes. I migrated my wife's Spotify to the Deez a couple of weeks ago and it was very easy. Over 1000 favorites and a ton of playlists. Only a few tracks weren't in their catalog, like maybe 10 or so.

    Also note that if you are subscribed to some other persons playlist it will create it but obviously any further updates in the Spotify playlist won't sync to that anymore. They become your owned playlists in Deezer.

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