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[–] 1 point 1 year ago

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  • [–] 202 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    "All these porn sick brain rotted pedo gamer fetishists so desperate to get their hands on rape-my-little-sister incest games they’re now exchanging clues on how to find them so that they don’t all die overnight," Collective Shout co-founder Melinda Tankard Reist tweeted

    Ah, so this was a rational, scientific study-based campaign centered around ensuring the health and well-being of society, and not at all an emotionally-charged crusade to take material away from people you find repulsive based on content you personally object to. Got it.

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  • [–] 62 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    People thinking porn addiction causes all the problems in society, must be a day ending in Y.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Porn addiction isn't even real, Christians made it up to shame people

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    This is not correct.

    Contrary to the earlier notion that addiction is predominantly a substance dependency, research now suggests that any source or experience capable of stimulating an individual has addictive potential. This has led to a paradigm shift in the psychiatric understanding of behavioural addictions. These can refer to a range of behaviors such as gambling, video gaming, and sexual practices. Hypersexual behavior and pornography addiction come to the fore when the behavior becomes intensive, out of the individual’s control, and persists in that pattern despite harmful consequences and risk of harm to one’s emotional and/or physical health.

    https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/26318318221116042

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  • [–] 148 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    "All these porn sick brain rotted pedo gamer fetishists so desperate to get their hands on rape-my-little-sister incest games they’re now exchanging clues on how to find them so that they don’t all die overnight," Collective Shout co-founder Melinda Tankard Reist tweeted on July 18th.

    She sounds deranged.

    i wonder what her own perversion is. It's likely quite disturbing - nobody has that much anger and scorn over other people's sex lives and a healthy sex life of their own.

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  • [–] 48 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    https://www.gameshub.com/news/article/australian-anti-porn-group-collective-shout-escalates-its-war-for-video-game-censorship-2736180

    Collective Shout is a self-described feminist non-partisan organization, but has alleged ties with anti-trans and conservative organizations. The group has developed a reputation as a sort of puritan crusade that targets everything from Detroit: Become Human to Tyler, the Creator.

    This one quote tells me what kind of people Collective Shout are. First, Collective Shout will go after the low hanging fruit and then will move to LGBT themed games.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    It's a hate group and Valve is caving to them.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago*

    That would mean that they actually are responsible. I don't think that's correct, at best they complained to payment processors to make them enforce their pre-existing bullshit rules. That's where the problem lies IMO, those corporations should not be allowed to ban paying for legal goods and services, especially since they have formed a cartel.

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    [–] 42 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    This is we can't have nice things.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Nice things like games involving incest and rape?

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Sir: If it's illegal, please notify the authorities. If it's not illegal, then I'll have to politely ask you to fuck off.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    That logic falls apart real fast. Hitting children, for example. Legal, but is it right?

    Some places have legal laws that are horrifying. You can see the other implementation of your logic there. Like, is being gay a bad thing, as long as it is illegal?

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  • [–] 84 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    "Pro life feminist"

    I give my left leg if this is not another TERF group

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  • [+] -8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Feminists are TERFs & homophobes PERIOD, the ones that aren't are in hiding.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I study at a quite left university. Several of my lectures are about or at least cover some feminist theories. There are a lot of outspoken feminist people here, as well as quite a few queer folk. I have yet to meet a single homophobic or terf feminist.

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    I'm sure if you dig deep enough into the people involved you'll crawl out with a couple pedos, a few rapists, and more than likely some dudes who are into some really kinky shit.

    it's always the case, always. whenever there are groups like this pushing their agenda they're secretly trying to justify themselves.

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  • [–] 54 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Alright, time to research and rat these idiots out. The fact that they tried to ban Detroit: Become Human is enough for me to know that they're not gamers at all and are just cookers.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    I'm trying to follow the money and can't find much but there are very strong ties to the Christian/Baptist community, which means that there is an above 0% chance that Advance Australia has or is providing funding.

    Their partners and partner's partners are anti-sex (such as CATWA who believe that all prostitution is not a job but is a form of sex trafficking and appears to be against the sex industry), anti-abortion, and all board members and their associated partners are very painfully white.

    There's also an association with the NCJWA, whose president appears to be pro Zionist and has lauded Jillian Segal as a voice of moral clarity (anti-semetic envoy for government pushing to reduce protest rights, husband made a $50k donation to Advance Australia).

    Hilariously, one of their partners is called 'Campaign Against Sex Robots'.

    Anyway, in summary, this appears to be a very well funded right wing puritan religious group whose only games experiences are in the political realm rather than PC.

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  • [–] 25 points 1 year ago

    All I wanna know is how fucked up and perverted the porn that they watch is. Anyone taking this hard of a stand against something surely must be projecting.

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  • [–] 110 points 1 year ago (21 children)

    Australia is also the same place where they had to switch the word "drugs" out with "chems" in Fallout, and video games have to have green blood. That whole place is ass backwards and upside down, as one would expect given its geographical location.

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  • [–] 33 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    As an Australian this is accurate, remember it is illegal here to share nude photos or porn if the woman has small breasts! Because protect the children

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago*

    Morphine was switched to Med-X (worldwide) due to refusal for classification in Australia for Fallout 3 in 2008. Fallout has used the word "chems" in every country since the start I thought.

    Are you claiming that all video games have to have green blood to be sold in Australia?

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  • [–] 26 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    The country started life as a prison with prison rules, seems they forgot to get rid of those rules when they became a real country

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    No, they went too far in the opposite direction. "Okay we all got sent here for murder, whoring, and illicit trafficking, so let's switch to punishing those with person and fines."

    If prisoner colonists put you in prison is it double prison?

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    video games have to have green blood.

    This is completely untrue.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    They might be referring to the 90s, post Mortal Kombat.

    A lot of games got blood censorship in a lot of countries.

    Even before that I know some games like Contra they replaced the infected "humans" with robots.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    There was a time before the R18+ classification for video games existed that some violent games were refused classification (Left 4 Dead 2 being one of the most prominent examples; the gore and dismemberment were cut out, but the blood was still red and it was trivial to restore the gore), but that stopped being an issue about 15 years ago.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    The US is filled with gun crazy bigoted nut bags who love to go around bathrooms for genital inspections while crying at the sight of any rainbow flag.

    See how unhelpful it is to make shitty generalisations?

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  • [–] -2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I think this was a ratings issue. I think you can make video games with real life drugs in them but if you don't want an +18 rating you'll have to compromise. I think Bethesda got told they could only sell the game to adults and so they changed the names to make more money. I mean I was playing GTA selling real drugs and playing fallout 4 and doping on fake drugs on the same PS4 at 15, I just couldn't walk into eb's and buy a copy of GTA without my dad there lol.

    I'm all for creative freedoms but when it comes to selling games to kids that show real life drugs as giving sweet buffs, maybe a little subtlety is warranted.

    Anyway obligatory ragebait dum American can't comprehend nuance comment

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    Kinda correct, it was a ratings issue. The problem was that we didn't have an 18+ rating for video games - if your game was deemed 18+ then you couldn't sell it here. Sex, depictions of drug use, and a couple of other things I can't remember right now are reasons for an instant 18+ rating.

    Bethesda got told they couldn't sell it to anyone in Australia, so they compromised to drugs that didn't actually exist.

    Left 4 Dead had something similar with the gore; if I remember correctly, L4D rating submission referred to the zombies as "monsters" (or something) and passed while L4D2 referred to the zombies as "infected people".. because they were now people, our ratings board shit the bed protected the children and gave it 18+ until they removed the bodies and gore. It was patched back in by Valve when we got an 18+ rating.

    South Park: The Stick of Truth has/had some good censored scenes about this, graphically describing Randy being probed by an alien while the graphic of a koala sits in the background. These were patched out too I think (or I downloaded a mod).

    We still have people like these lobbying against porn on Steam, but the overall situation got a lot better when we got an 18+ rating.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    The first Australian +18 video game was released in January 2013, GTA 5 came out in December 2013 and fallout 4 was released in November... 2015

    From what I can tell from the timeline of events it absolutely was a move by Bethesda to market the game to kids.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    The name changes go back to Fallout 3 (at least, I can't recall if FO1 & FO2 had the same drama).

    By the time of Fallout 4, names like Med-X (morphine), Rad-Away (iodine), Brawno (amphetamine? I can't remember) were well and truly bedded in, and suited the aesthetic. Why change it at that point? They've created names that suit the aesthetic better than the actual drug names.

    I was in my mid/late 20s when this was all going down. I grey imported the MK reboot so I could play, had a copy of Manhunt, and others. The Fallout drug names were a result of the lack of 18+ rating and trying to comply with MA15.

    https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2008/07/fallout-3-cant-get-a-rating-in-australia/

    https://www.smh.com.au/technology/fallout-continues-from-ban-on-game-20080715-gdsma8.html

    https://www.gameshub.com/news/features/australian-classification-law-video-games-2646457/

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago

    It'd be kind of funny if some rep from steam just came out and said, 'Wait, the Aussies wanted this? Put it all back! Add on a few more new ones even. This won't stand.'

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Simple fix is to call in suspicion of child porn on their computers. Their statement look a lot like projection to me.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    "Australian anti-porn group has too much power."

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  • [–] 32 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    https://www.collectiveshout.org/ is the group.

    https://www.collectiveshout.org/our_team and https://www.collectiveshout.org/collective_shout_board_members - Ensure their names and faces haunt them for every job they go for next.

    https://www.collectiveshout.org/partners - Let them know your unhappy with this group that they are supporting.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    "Our (winning!) campaign calling on payment processors including Visa and Mastercard to stop processing payments for rape and incest games available on Steam and other platforms has received global media attention."

    Well that is not what I was expecting to find on their site...

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Did no one play "Detroit Become Incestual Rapist"?

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Nah I was too busy with "epstein island adventure: the trump files"

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago

    I don't know how Collective Shout aren't seen as more of a pariah group here like Westboro Baptist Church are in America.

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  • [–] 23 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Lowkey opening up a market for an adult game store that takes crypto for payment

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I don't know why you couldn't just load money into your steam wallet.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    They weren't pushing for credit card processors to block payments for specific games. They were pushing for the payment processors to block money to Steam entirely, which is why Steam caved and instead removed a small list of games. It was a compromise to allow credit card companies to keep doing business with them. Overall it's pretty small potatoes--a small but vocal group, a small and worthless collection of games. People are understandably worried about the precedent of giving in to censorship at the demand of a group like this, but there are enough things to worry about right now that I'm not going to give it much thought until I hear the slope has slipped further than this.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago

    This group is shooting for very easy targets and they celebrate like they've won hard battles. It's self indulgent but ultimately unimportant, nothing of value was lost here. If they keep it up long enough and choose a target people are actually willing to fight for, things might turn out differently.

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    Absolutely, and the scary part to me is how that projection includes LGBT folks also being child predators all the damn time.

    It’s like they are a bunch of bisexual pedophiles who are repressed and angry, and they get jealous when they see other people giving in to the same desires. Or, as we see all the time, they assume somebody “giving in” to their homosexuality or gender dysphoria is also “giving in” to their pedophilia.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago* (1 child)
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    people who play games usually don't have time for shit like this and would rather play games in their free time. that's why whenever you see people shriek about "wokeness" in games it's always a bunch of incels who clearly never play them. they're posers.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago

    People are blaming Collective Shout but crazy lobbying groups have always existed. Visa and Mastercard are solely responsible for acquiescing. Maybe it's time we stop caring so much what people on the political extremes have to say?

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago

    I'm just happy that for once it's not one of us Americans ruining things for everyone. Still part of the anglosphere, though, so not surprised.

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