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I feel like in this entire discussion, people almost always forget Windows actually costs money, and quite a lot of it.
Even if Linux-based OSes weren't superior in every possible way... they cost nothing versus Windows 11's $139 USD price tag.
Linux doesn't even need to beat Windows at everything to win. And yet it still does.
Almost no one actually buys Windows as a standalone product. If you purchase a new PC from HP, Dell, Acer, etc it comes with it. If you have a Win10 PC or license then Win11 is a free upgrade. The are even several Microsoft 365 SKUs that come with Win11 licensing.
You can literally d/l it direct from Microsoft and run it without a license; you just have to deal with a small licensing message and a few inconveniences in the UI.
The only people buying it as a standalone seem to be business idjuts who went to a store and bought a retail PC with Win11 Home that then find out they need Pro in order to Entra join / AD join the hardware. Those people deserve what they pay so I have no sympathy for them.
If you buy a desktop PC rather than build your own, you probably already paid the Windows license
But really, the $139 Windows 11 price isn't where it's actually pricy: Windows Server licenses are make thousands of dollars, typically do not come with the hardware, and Linux can do that workload too.
That's where the real savings comes... As long as you have admins who know how to manage Linux servers...
Please do reboot your linux, that's needed to upgrade your kernel.
Are there not enough Linux meme communities?
The biggest difference with updates isn't even being forced vs "when I say so," even though it does matter.
The biggest difference for me is the whole "be good at the thing you were made to do" aspect of Linux and FOSS. I never have any hesitation to update my computer, because updates are fast and unobtrusive. At work I will run an update check in a terminal in the middle of a Teams meeting while I also have code building in the background using 100% CPU. No issues.
I tend to download separately and then close everything right before install.
The install takes 2-5 minutes and I can reboot and resume my work.
Windows 7 was the last Windows in which I could do something similar. And even there, the install + reboots were going to be 30+ minutes.
Both vibecoded 😍
I was a Linux admin on a team of fourteen. A Windows Server admin bragged at his server had gone a full two months without a reboot.
In fact, it was 65 days. The other Windows admins congratulated him. He came over to tell me the news, which I already overheard and sshed in to check my uptime.
"821 days uptime." He got disappointed. That's cool, because he was a jerk for many reasons.
But deep inside, I realized I needed to stay late after the call center closed, as it is a good idea to apply kernal patches to your firewall.
Yeah I was going to say, even just as a homelab admin, I can keep my OS uptime high if I want to, and just update my services, but I’ve missed some auto start fixes etc., where I updated and started the updated service manually, but then next power loss it didn’t start properly.
Now I try to make sure I reboot once a month when it’s convenient for me to fix issues to make sure all updates are applied and tested. And of course kernel updates like you say.
I'm just excited that Windows 10 is no longer supported so it will stop updating without my permission.
This is all very cute, but those Windows items don't apply to me.
- I've never paid for Windows, not even preinstalled on a machine.
- It's set so updates are not forced, but I update anyway because it hasn't caused me an issue since... ? I can't remember. A decade or more?
- Rooted out the telemetry and/or blocked it. I accomplished this faster than setting up any given Linux desktop I've used.
- This Windows install has ridden the same SSD across 3 or 4 machines for 8 years or more. Not sure I've ever had a BSOD on this install, and you won't either if your hardware isn't soft damaged.
Windows sucks, but I'm not sure anyone has actually paid for it since before 10.
Everyone who buys a new computer with Windows preinstalled pays it.
Are their windows users who pay for the licenses? I never did.
I got my Windows 10 license from our good buddies at MASSGRAVE.


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