For context, she had a babysitter coming in the mornings to check in, make lunches, get them off to school, and prep dinner for them. All the 14 year old had to do was help them get inside after school. Microwave dinner. Get kids in bed and text mom updates. This was a work trip and they threatened to fire her if she did not go. The father has abuse charges and the police handed him their kids on top of arresting her.

Why exactly should women have kids in a world that despises them for it and yet demands they make kids anyway? What is the point?

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[–] 88 points 1 week ago (5 children)

The kids were 9, 11, 12 and 14. It all depends on the kids but, in general, kids this old should be able to take care of themselves for a couple of days without issues. Putting someone in jail for basic parenting is insane.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 week ago

    I would argue it’s even necessary and/or a good thing. How else are they supposed to become independent human beings if they don’t get some responsibility and freedom from time to time?

    I think the worst thing parents can do is completely shield their kids from the “adult world” until they are almost or even beyond 18. Then they move out at some point and are suddenly completely helpless and have zero habits necessary to manage life on their own.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    Maybe. I was taking care of myself (latchkey kid) a lot, but this was five days. I asked my wife who is a bit of an expert and she felt that was too long too. Obviously, there was a problem since 911 was called. It would be different, I think, if the babysitter had stayed over night.

    I'm not sure it rises to the level of arrest but in America there is arrest and then just shooting people.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    991 was called because one kid got hit in the head but it's not that weird for kids to get injured, even under supervision. Everyone knows it's enough to leave a kid alone for 5 minutes for something bad to happen. This is just typical over criminalization. It was possible to charge her so they did.

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  • [–] 34 points 1 week ago* (2 children)

    Putting this woman in jail is insane. The situation is shitty and far from good but these kids aren’t toddlers and they had check in and older children.

    Kids this age are more than capable of taking care of themselves for a limited period.

    Florida.txt. Flood the entire state.

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  • [–] 64 points 1 week ago

    Age of consent in Florida is 16, which is only 2 years older than the oldest kid who wasn't legally responsible enough to care for her siblings. You can get pregnant at 16 and you're on your own, but at 14, even with a baby sitter checking in daily, your mom goes to jail. What a world to be alive in.

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  • [–] 25 points 1 week ago

    Welcome to the US.

    Where we support no one except rich fucks and corporate interests.

    What a fucking disgrace.

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  • [–] 23 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    Is there a case against the employer for essentially forcing her into this position?

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  • [–] 19 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    Yeah what the fuck, I hate stuff like this. Surely the kids had the babysitter's phone number. I remember having to work while the kids were on summer break and think 11 is the age you are allowed to leave them unsupervised in FL. My kids did babysitting at 14! Overnight with literal babies, sometimes. And the 14 year old in question acted appropriately, obviously they aren't irresponsible.

    My parents left me at home, if I didn't want to go on a trip, from 10 or so years and it was fine. Even before cell phones, and back when crime rates were exponentially higher here. It was so nice for me, to have time alone, I remember how nice it felt.

    It's a bigger example of the laundromat problem. I drive to the laundromat with a baby in a car seat and the laundry in baskets. Do I leave the baby in the car and take the laundry in, or take the baby in and go back out to get the laundry? I can't carry all of them at once, it's an impossible situation.

    Hopefully the charges are thrown out and the kids stay with her. Abusive dad seems a much worse choice.

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  • [–] 32 points 1 week ago (10 children)

    If this case landed in my lap during the time I was a cop, I was trained and instructed to look for a handful of things:

    • Are they safe?

    • Do they have access to food and water?

    • Do they know how to reach help in an emergency? (Access to phone and knowledge of 911 or a close neighbor at home 24/7)

    • Are they getting to school, if they're old enough?

    Seems like the answers are Yes, Yes, (probably) Yes, and Yes, so... there's no case here, the way I see it.

    Obviously Nevada's laws aren't the same as Florida's, but this seems ridiculous.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 week ago (7 children)

    Imagine having your standards critiqued by Florida.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 week ago* (4 children)

    Florida gets a bad rap on the internet mostly for its open arrest records making for easy click-bait journalism.

    It's got its own problems unrelated to that, but it's a Chicken and Egg scenario where party people come here to party, things go poorly, and that attracts more party people.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago (3 children)

    And we have the third largest population, so of course the odds will favor crazy shit happening here.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago*

    It’s also got poor southerners literally living next to rich transplants. There are huge clashes between the rich and poor, and it feels like when you leave South Florida and population centers, you’re transported to a 3rd world country. Being poor isn’t a character flaw, but the poor people in Florida tend to be quite racist and exclusionary. Look at the voting record of counties with less than 200K residents; it’s really not that far off from Alabama/Mississippi/Arkensas.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    Oklahoma kids are allowed to be home alone at the age of 10. Long as they can use a microwave and can cook mac and cheese. (Told to me by CPS when my kids mother had issues due to her depression and kids couldn't stay with her for some time.)

    But speaking of Florida didn't I read a fucking story of mom getting arrested when kids were playing alone in their own yard? So don't think that state has room to talk.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago

    Can't say I would agree with 10 year olds being allowed to be home alone for multiple days. But this women had a babysitter checking in the mornings and afternoons so they weren't totally alone which is good enough in my opinion, Babysitter shouldn't need to be there 24/7.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    This all happened in Florida. That's where she lived and that's where she was arrested getting off the plane. There was no mention of how her trip was.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 week ago

    Where did the extra info come from? The article was very short and did not mention a husband at all or her threat of being fired.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 week ago (7 children)

    Yet another reason to avoid children. What other option did she have?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago (6 children)

    Not go, then take the company to court for unfair dismissal.

    Pay for a 24/7 sitting service then charge it back to the company. Take the company to court if they don't pay.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 week ago (3 children)

    Both plans require several assumptions. Unless she found a lawyer willing to do the work for free it'll cost her too much. Most states are "right to work" states meaning both plans are DOA if there. Bill your employer... Ya they'll send a pink slip in response.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 week ago (4 children)

    Part of the issue here is the whole overcompensating for systemic inadequacies in CPS. There are so many stories of CPS dropping the ball on the other side of the equation. Then a mom let's their kids walk to school and gets arrested. Or a mom has her 14yo look after their siblings while she is away on business. How does arresting a parent help them care for their kids?

    Worst, in this case, is that Dad didn't have custody for a reason. And now the kids are with Dad.

    That being said, 14 is not old enough for that level of responsibility. Watch their siblings while Mom and Dad go on a date? Sure. Be responsible for most of the family's well-being while Mom is completely out of town? At 14? That's too much. I doubt anything would have changed if there was a babysitter or guardian there. That doesn't change the fact that 14 is too young to be fully responsible for kids over a span of days. Still doesn't justify arresting her. That's just grandstanding bullshit

    I really feel for this woman, because she really is screwed either way. There's no winning. Especially if she doesn't have family to call on to help. But now, instead of losing her job, she has to fight charges, fight to get her kids back, and (knowing how these things go) likely have to find a new job. It's a real kick in the ovaries.

    Get me out of this timeline, please

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  • [–] 6 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    Your points you've made show me that you either didn't read the article; or are too inept to comprehend what you've read.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago

    Nah I 100% didn't read the article. I'm pretty inept too. Care to enlighten me on what I got wrong? Aside from thinking 14 year olds shouldn't be responsible for taking care of three kids for 5 days and nights, that's an opinion

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 child)

    On s upon a time a 13 year old was considered an adult, a young adult but still capable of making rational decisions (like babysitting children and self care). It's funny that you're saying she's screwed either way because she wouldn't be if people like you were rational. It's not ideal to have to leave for work, but it's not like she left toddlers alone, she hired professional adult supervision in addition to the supervision of the teens. Some of the adults in your life were latchkey children who walked themselves to school and handled their own affairs. You should speak to them and ask them about it. Some of those adults babysat family and friends children as young adults themselves far before they could drive.

    Attitudes like yours destroy communities and the next generations independence. Fuck learned helplessness.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 week ago

    she wouldn't be if people like you were rational

    First off, you don't know a god-damned thing about me. Second, its Florida, no rational person would live in America's wang. Thirdly I don't think prosecuting someone for making a parental judgement call is in any way okay. This ignorant country is so fixated on punitive measures that it creates more problems than it solves. If a parent screws up, educate them, don't jail them. (Unless there is actual abuse or neglect, like CSA or starvation). Fourthish… I forgot, but it was salient and concise

    To your broader point tho. It's not so much learned helplessness, it's knowledge gained over time. Yes we took care of ourselves as teens and preteens. Yes us latch key kids mostly were fine, and taking care of our siblings wasn't a big dangerous thing, just annoying. (For the record, I was latch-key from the age of 12) We also know a whole hell of a lot more about when and how a brain matures, including how a developing frontal lobe isn't capable of extrapolating the full consequences of an action the way a mature adult can. Saying we were fine so nothing should change is like saying cars were fine without airbags so we shouldn't have them now. I think most kids would be fine, but some won't. Are those kids being harmed ok, as long as the majority is fine?

    Attitudes like yours destroy brain cells and the next generation of critical thinking. Doesn't that broad sweeping statement sound silly? It's not all or nothing. I came to the conclusion that 14 is too immature to care for children for multiple days without a safety net. That's it. Everything else is a statement on societal issues, not how kids have to be hovered over to protect them.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago

    What is the point?

    There’s a logic to the Cathars reasons. But also… 🎼 In the circle, the circle of life…🎶

    We all search for purpose. I guess you gotta be Neo and choose?

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  • [+] -12 points 1 week ago

    Sounds like a skill issue. Someone should have explained to her ~15 years ago how birth control works and then she wouldn't be in this mess.

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