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[–] 26 points 1 week ago* (3 children)

Lighter is helpful. The bigger screen models are great until you slip it in a bag and it morphs into lead.

Lit Apple logo is back to basics.

Touch screen - I guess enough degrees of separation between this team and Steve Jobs; I heard he was the reason it never happened. I have a touch laptop for work and never use it. It just gets manky with fingerprints. I’m sorta moderate on the greasy fingers scale, but I’ve see what happens if the user is a hand lotion type of person. Eww

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  • [–] 18 points 1 week ago

    I’m the same. Never use the touchscreen on my laptop. Much easier to use the trackpad, especially on macs where it is so well implemented.

    Seems like Apple is hitting its downfall era.

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  • Hell, I remember my colleague's non-touch CRT monitor that was just caked with grease from him touching it over the years to "point" out things to other people. Also, it was set for 59.9 Hz refresh and flickered insanely (until I changed it to 85Hz when they weren't looking, and they noticed it didn't look so "strange" anymore).

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  • [–] 15 points 1 week ago

    Does anyone have a layer I can apply to my screen that gives an electric shock to anyone that tries to smudge up my screen?

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  • [–] 21 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    Reminds me of shitty Windows 8 laptops back in the day. I don’t want to touch the screen—it has a keyboard and a trackpad.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    And the trackpads on MacBooks are arguably better than touchscreens anyway.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago*

    There's also an argument to be made that they could have just had an integration to let an iPad be used as a touch screen interface.

    You can already use a Mac's keyboard and mouse inputs on an iPad, it being able to go the other way wouldn't be particularly strange.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    The glowing Apple logo is the true upgrade! And touchscreen? That will be interesting to see how it works on macOS

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  • [–] 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

    This doesn't make sense to me. Apple spent the last few years blurring the MacBook and iPad range, they're even sticking the same SoCs in both and now this? What's the killer feature here, the OLED?

    They brought back the glowing Apple logo, though, just as everyone got used to not having it.

    Edit: Just thought of the biggest problem I have with my MacBook; the fucking screen is so fucking hard to clean! I swear this move is a ploy to get people to buy their proprietary screen cloth.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    There is no killer feature here, theyre just building up to assimilating one line into another so they can stop selling macbooks entirely in a few release cycles

    You can buy regular cheap glass wipe individual packets and clean with, shouldnt be an issue at all if youre not sticking god knows what on the screen?

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  • [–] 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 child)

    I've found that grease and dirt sticks the anti-glare coating almost like glue and honestly, I'm afraid of using anything more than distilled water to clean it because I've seen too many MacBook screens with horrible blotchy coatings caused by incorrect cleaning...

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  • [–] 33 points 1 week ago (7 children)

    I definitely am a fan of NOT having a touchscreen. It was one of the pluses of the Macs, IMHO. When my parents or kids accidentally tap the screen pointing something on their touchscreen ThinkPad, it tends to screw things up and cause me to have to fix things for them.

    I am also really worried they're going to start making things "touch friendly" now... And we're going to end up with the MacOS equivalent of Windows 8.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago (4 children)

    It was one of the pluses of Macs

    This was never a common thing in regular laptops though, it was always a special overpriced model.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    I have had to purchase or aid in purchasing laptops for my family and extended family (being the tech go to) for years. For at least the last 15, even entry level laptops have had touchscreens. I feel like they throw it in as a cheap-ish "feature" to make it seem more premium.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago (1 child)

    What??? I have literally never seen this, and I have also looked at plenty of laptops in the past 15 years (although not a lot in recent years)

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  • That screenshot legit looks like the screen is broken to hell

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  • [–] 7 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    An iPadBook, huh? Its a bold move, Cotton...

    I had a work laptop with a touchscreen and used that functionality exactly 0 times (after trying it out). If it had the ability to fold back into a Lenovo Yoga-style tablet form factor, it would have been a completely different story, though.

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  • [–] 42 points 1 week ago (13 children)

    My wife had a Samsung laptop with a touch screen like 10 years ago. Big woop.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 week ago (9 children)

    Yeah Samsung has never copied anything.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 week ago (5 children)

    That's beside the point. The point is that it took Apple that fucking long to implement it, and Apple users will start acting as if it's something new, even though it's absolutely not.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 week ago (3 children)

    Honestly, most Apple users I know are well aware of touch screen laptops, and don’t want one 😅

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago*

    Eh. It‘s more like Apple pretends it‘s new after they pretended to be better than the rest. Just to fold years later anyway. Always amusing to see them lagging behind silly trends and I doubt Apple users care. Especially when it’s something so unnecessary.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

    Wait, are you the dude who keeps buying Facebook ads hoping that Tim Apple will let you jerk him off under the table?

    If he was interested he would have responded to your letter writing campaign.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 week ago (7 children)

    I blame the iPad kids for this one. People are being raised on touch-based devices more and more, and with people using things like iPads and iPhones early on they learn technology is touch based. This is just the next step with that. I also think it reflects a larger concern with a lack of digital literacy for many people, where companies like Apple make their devices incredibly simple and locked down to trap the consumer, until they don't know how to operate basic functions of the operating system like a file system. You already don't have a real filesystem on an iOS device anyway. This is the next step in making the MacBooks like iPads and iPhones and making the consumers less technically skilled so that they can be exploited. After the hardware is basically the same (the same M-series chips that power MacOS now power iOS as well) then the software for MacBooks will be locked down over time, until there's basically no escape from this walled garden, not that anyone would really be able to escape it, since people lack digital skills. (but that last part is just a theory)

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  • [–] 3 points 1 week ago (6 children)

    "Blame"? Why is this a negative thing?

    I wasn't raised with touch stuff, but I definitely feel like a touch screen can be nice at times, when you want to quickly and accurately do something where the touchpad wouldn't be so fast or accurate.

    With a mouse, I never feel that way. But touchpads are so gosh darn garbage as a human input device.

    The only downside I see with touch screens is the fingerprints. That part always prevents me from using touch more than I otherwise would on my laptop.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    But touchpads are so gosh darn garbage as a human input device.

    I have a strong preference for touchpads, but only when set up with tap-to-click and 3-finger dragging (which always requires digging in the preferences to find, but is worth it). I find other touchpad setups annoying to use. The push-harder-to-click (and especially to drag) default reduces speed and accuracy.

    I mention this because I am forever hopeful that someday I will introduce this arrangement to someone else who otherwise hates touchpads and they will have the joy of discovering that they have simply been missing out on this setup for years.

    Perhaps you are that person, perhaps not.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago*

    Your setup is really the bare minimum I require to use a touchpad, but that baseline is still garbage for me, sadly. A mouse is just so much more accurate, and can cover so much more screen real estate in a shorter amount of time and still be more accurate to the click target.

    Of course, if I can do the same thing without moving my hand from the keyboard, I prefer that over anything else. 🤲⌨️

    I appreciate you taking the time to give me those tips and hints though. Love you, buddy. 🫶

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  • [–] 0 points 1 week ago (3 children)

    But touchpads are so gosh darn garbage as a human input device.

    Anyone who's used a Steam Deck or the modern Steam Controller knows this isn't true.

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  • When Apple was teasing the iPad back in 2009 I was REALLY hoping that they were going to announce a MacBook with a touchscreen. I had the black MacBook from 2007 and was ready to replace it for a touchscreen MacBook... but, they announced the iPad instead. I still have my 2007 MacBook, and it still works pretty well... I don't think I'll be replacing it at this point.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

    Can you fold it back all the way and have a tablet? That would be pretty cool. A MacBook Pro powered iPad.

    Also: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKY9L0mjW7Y

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  • [–] 6 points 1 week ago

    At my work all the laptops are touchscreen.

    The majority of users dont know this. With a few rare exception those that do know still never use it.

    Its was sometimes used by IT for doing certain bulk procedure on multiple laptops at once. This procedure is rarely required anymore since a year ago.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 week ago

    I don’t want to touch an OLED.

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    Now, if they sold a tandem OLED monitor with their matte coating. I'd buy a cheaper one made by a competitor.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 week ago (5 children)

    This comment section is fascinating. Some people are arguing that they don’t need the technological bloat of a touchscreen on their laptops. Others are specifically arguing that Apple doesn’t need to add touchscreens to its laptops, despite the fact that Apple consumers have been asking for this feature for years.

    Personally, I don’t see anything wrong with having a touchscreen on a laptop. Six years ago, I bought an Acer laptop on sale at Costco, and it came with one. It has proven to be a genuinely useful feature, not some unnecessary gimmick or bloatware. You don’t have to use it, but having the option is certainly nice.

    The primary issue, of course, is how late Apple is to the party. Apple has a long history of adopting existing technologies years after its competitors, then marketing them as though they’ve reinvented the wheel. While Apple certainly deserves credit for some of its innovations, particularly during its earlier years, the company’s reputation for innovation often seems to have more to do with its marketing than with being first to market.

    Touchscreen laptops have existed for a very long time. Yet now that Apple is reportedly bringing the technology to its MacBooks, some people are acting as though it represents a revolutionary leap forward. It doesn’t. It’s an established feature that Apple is finally choosing to adopt.

    The same argument applies to Apple’s rumored foldable iPhone. Foldable smartphones have been on the market for years, and the technology has matured considerably, even if issues such as the crease in the middle of the display remain. Apple entering the market might bring its own refinements, but it won’t be inventing the category.

    The problem isn’t that Apple is adding unnecessary features. The problem is that the company has cultivated a brand culture in which ordinary product updates can be presented as groundbreaking innovations. Its exceptionally loyal customer base often seems willing to accept higher prices and fewer options simply because the product carries the Apple logo. And with the amount of competition in the technology market today, I find that level of brand loyalty difficult to justify.

    In my opinion, consumers should stop rewarding Apple for charging premium prices while taking its time adopting features that competing manufacturers have offered for years. Lower the prices, deliver something genuinely compelling, and give people a real reason to upgrade beyond the logo and the ecosystem.

    Or, better yet, bring back the iPod. I’d buy one of those in a heartbeat.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    They are on a path towards merging iOS and macOS and fully merging their iPad and MacBook product lines. They’ve been on this path for a while, you can see it in things like moving the MacBook to ARM, adding mouse support to the iPad, making the iPad OS more desktop-like and making the desktop OS more iPad-like.

    This is just the next step on that path. The eventual goal will be all of their devices will run the same OS with only subtle variations.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago

    Right, and it will be severely overpriced and ultimately useless for anything beyond serving as a daily-use social media machine. Essentially, they want everything to become a glorified iPhone. Which, from a business perspective, makes sense. Apple’s business model revolves almost entirely around iPhone sales, so why wouldn’t they want to turn all of their other products into variations of the same thing?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago

    Your comment is the first I’ve seen even hinting at the thought that the foldable iPhone or the touchscreen MacBook is revolutionary. Even Apples own announcements and marketing seem somewhat subdued on this.

    Where are all these people claiming it’s actually revolutionary?

    The call to lower prices seem a bit odd after the MacBook Neo. Apple can provide good value. Sometimes it’s through good prices. Sometimes it’s by building quality products that last a long time and get software updates for a long time. Though it should be said they often mess up on the quality part of this (hello butterfly switches.. and now the iPhone Duo hinge?).

    I see comments all the time now writing how their M1 MacBook is still their primary laptop. Hell, I myself have a 2015 MacBook Pro I still use occasionally.

    Yes, they can also sell you $700 Mac Pro wheels. If you want to waste money for a status symbol they will gladly let you. But generally, it’s just a matter of avoiding the vanity items, avoid the upgrades, and perhaps don’t buy the first gen products when they’re brand new.

    The other side of Apples focus on image (and on providing software updates) is that their products generally retain a lot of value in the second hand market. That’s actually a rarely acknowledged pro-consumer effect IMO. It’s good for both those buying and the ones selling. It lowers the effective price of those who buy new, if they want to upgrade after a few years. That 2015 MBP I mentioned was second hand btw.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 week ago

    Ooh greasy screens and gorilla arms!

    What a joke

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  • [–] 3 points 1 week ago

    Make a 10" MacPad Pro that runs full desktop OS docked and properly runs iPad apps when in tablet mode and I'm in.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago (3 children)

    This wasn't already a thing?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago

    I had a surface book at work about a decade ago. Honestly if apple came out with something like that I would maybe consider it. But compared to an iPad this will just feel bulky. And compared to a MacBook does the touchscreen even add anything?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago* (2 children)

    I love the touchscreen on my thinkpad. It's an anti glare matte display and I typically use it for jotting down some math, it's pretty useful when I need it. Also, been having fun using it for chess. However, I hate the reflective displays because it attracts so many fingerprints and I'll just get blinded in my face by reflection of lights.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago

    Thank God! I was waiting for their next announcement of yet even more tech they'd be selling! Now I've gotta wait until next week! Do the MacBooks still fold, or is that now an added feature? /s

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  • [–] 5 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    Who is this for, honestly? They can’t innovate so they just shove panels where they haven’t been before.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago

    as logical as a touchscreen blackberry with a physical keyboard and nipple, imho.

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