Police confirmed they had responded to a report of "criminal mischief involving a robot" on the 1200 block of Filbert Street around 1:16 p.m. on Wednesday. A woman on the scene ignored "multiple commands" to move, they said, resulting in a criminal violation notice for disorderly conduct.

Uber declined to comment.

Marvin, who plans to contest the charge on the grounds of her First Amendment right to protest, has been undeterred by the arrest. She plans to continue blocking Uber Eats robots and chatting with curious passersby who ask what she's doing.

"It allows me to talk to people about what's going on," she said. "It's always very interesting conversations that we have, and I think it's good to have those kinds of conversations in public space."

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[–] 426 points 3 weeks ago (21 children)

What is the charge? Blocking a meal? A succulent Chinese meal?!

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  • [–] 158 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

    Police exist to protect capital, not people.

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  • [+] -6 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)
  • [+] -18 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    They protect capital, sure. They also protect all of us from violent thieves, rapists, and psychopaths.

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  • [–] 14 points 3 weeks ago*

    They also protect all of us from violent thieves, rapists, and psychopaths.

    Literally no. The real psychopaths are the people who believe this bullshit copaganda.

    Cops don't prevent crime. They have no legal obligation to protect us. Cops supposedly help to "punish" crime (ie. torture people in cages) but even that's bullshit. Less than 1% of rapes lead to felony convictions. And anybody who's ever been robbed can tell you that police don't do shit.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 weeks ago*

    I see where you're heading, but

    • what do thieves run away with?
    • how does the police stop secret rapes while I have a handful of the richest in mind?
    • who is regarded as psychopath while I have a handful of the richest in mind?
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  • [–] 36 points 3 weeks ago (7 children)
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  • [–] 177 points 3 weeks ago (24 children)

    There are Waymos that drive through my workplace all night long. Like literally every 10 minutes. They cause problems all the time, as we have semi tractor-trailers trying to dock, and they'll block their movement and then just sit there waiting. They started putting up cones so they wouldn't pull through but now all the legitimate traffic has to get out and move them around every time they want to come through.

    One time I blocked 3 of them in for several hours by trapping them by putting more cones behind them, such that there was no exit. That was fun.

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  • [–] 90 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

    Robot cones that block the bots but move out of the way for cars would be fun.

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  • [–] 59 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    Narrator: Little did @Acid_Burn know that his innocent comment would kick off The Great Robot War and subsequent collapse of civilization.

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  • [–] -1 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    You missed two thorns! Don't let the haters get you down, keep doing thorns and let the dweebs that hate it for no reason seethe

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago

    Yes; I don't use þem when I'm quoting or using proper names like, Thomas. Even if I'm making up þe quote. It probably doesn't make sense to anyone else, but it's easier for me when deciding to use it or not - I just try to be consistent.

    I makes me happy to see tolerance!

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  • [–] 63 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (2 children)

    Your company needs to charge Waymo a toll for usage of your premises.

    Alternatively, get a button-operated rising-arm barrier. All a driver needs to do is push the button to get in or out. Unless they're an AI that can't get out of the car, anyway.

    Edit: Sometimes I a word.

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  • [–] 35 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    Alternatively, get a button-operated rising-arm barrier. All a driver needs to do is push the button to get in or out. Unless they're an AI that can't get out of the car, anyway.

    ...and send Waymo the bill for it.

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  • [+] -38 points 3 weeks ago (15 children)
  • [–] 17 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (4 children)

    It’s really not that hard to believe. Waymo will use any available roads to navigate between fares, and it can become especially bad when they’re waiting for fares. Because they don’t just return to a home parking spot and wait between fares. The point is that they want to spread their potential reach (and ensure there are cars nearby regardless of where they’re requested) so they spread out until they need to return to charge/refuel.

    They cruise around random backroads and residential areas until a fare requests them. They also avoid U-turns whenever possible, which means they’ll often path through some interesting places just to avoid turning around. They quickly clog residential roads when fares are slow, by all driving in a holding pattern around residential areas that aren’t designed for that kind of through traffic.

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  • [+] -16 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

    Yeah they also have human intervention which kicks most cases far before this could happen but I’m sure this random internet commenter definitely trapped a bunch with cones and held them hostage🤣

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  • [–] 11 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    Human intervention only automatically kicks in when the car actually thinks it is trapped. Which can easily take a while for larger parking lots.

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  • [–] 24 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    If you don't ever do anything, everything becomes unbelievable and outrageous.

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  • [+] -21 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

    Waymo’s have hitl. When you see a Waymo stuck for “hours” that’s the exception that gets blasted across the internet to confirm biases.

    They didn’t do any of this. It’s the nerd version of internet tough guy.

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  • [–] 25 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)
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    I bet you op looked like this while he was definitely trapping cars 🤣.

    God you people are gullible.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 weeks ago

    I don't care if the story is real or not. In fact, I'm inclined to agree with you that it's probably fake. Doesn't change the fact that you're all over this thread running defense for fucking Waymo, of all corporations

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  • [–] 51 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    "criminal mischief involving a robot"

    Sounds like a cool name for an upbeat song by an avant garde electro-jazz group.

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  • [–] 49 points 3 weeks ago (15 children)

    If you can block bots online, why can't you block them in the physical world?

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  • [–] -3 points 3 weeks ago (14 children)

    Because robots in the physical world are legal, and in this case using public sidewalks. Online bots are violating terms of service as defined by the human owners of websites.

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  • [–] 12 points 3 weeks ago (8 children)

    Cars and motorcycles aren't allowed on sidewalks. What makes those robots so special that you think they should be allowed to occupy an already crowded and very definitely human space?

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  • [–] 4 points 3 weeks ago (7 children)

    They don't have to be special, they just have to be allowed, which depends on local laws that restrict their weight, speed, and other things. This whole line of argument misses my point that giving workers a share of the benefits of innovation would be better than treating the innovations as the enemy.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago (6 children)

    They don’t have to be special, they just have to be allowed, which depends on local laws that restrict their weight, speed, and other things.

    This is your opinion and I disagree. They're free to sort it out with the heavy machinery on the tarmac, though, if and only if they're taxed as other vehicles are taxed too.

    This whole line of argument misses my point that giving workers a share of the benefits of innovation would be better than treating the innovations as the enemy.

    We're talking about uber eats, do you think they will give any worker a share of any benefit? Get real.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    There's a difference between do and should. They should. That requires regulation.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago* (1 child)

    Of course they should, but they won't. Regulation means an elected representative would have to propose the law, it would have to be approved, then signed into law. Won't ever happen because of regulatory capture.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago* (2 children)

    Companies will only give workers a share of the benefits of innovation if they're forced to - a goal I'd rather try to achieve than call it impossible. People have taken your attitude about all sorts of real things - worker safety rules, food quality standards, the right to unionize... even the idea that people would obey lines painted on the road was originally scoffed at. And yet we have them. So get real yourself.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    You're very wrong if you think I'm being defeatist because I enjoy it. I'm just jaded after a lifetime of enduring the apathy of everyone around me. If you're not like me yet and don't want to lose that spark, keep fighting. I'm just too tired to do it myself. Good luck.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    You blocking bots ona platform has nothing to do with ToS. Blocking a robot is just standing in front of it, it's not human. You are allowed to stand on a public sidewalk. If it stops moving because you stand in front if it, how is that illegal?

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    robots in the physical world are legal

    They are not explicitly illegal. That doesn't mean they or their owners have rights that supersede those of the general public.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago

    The general philosophy of US law is that not being explicitly illegal means legal. Robots have no rights whatsoever, but their owners have the same rights as everybody else. Refer to my example of blocking someone's car into a parking space.

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  • [–] 126 points 3 weeks ago (23 children)

    If she was not touching the thing then why didn’t it try and get out of her way? It should not be on the sidewalk in the first place, and should not have right of way.

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  • [–] 146 points 3 weeks ago (17 children)

    That's always one of the tricks these companies pull. They take some communally-owned thing that used to have a clear purpose and start using it for their different for-profit use.

    Take sidewalks. They're surprisingly expensive to build, but they're built from community tax money so that people walking don't have to walk on the road. Now Uber is using them as a place where they can drive their robots. Are they paying anything? I assume not. Sidewalks have also become a favourite parking spot for rental scooters. Do the scooter companies pay for that? Of course not. Even when they're parked well they reduce the space available for walking, and when they're parked badly they can force pedestrians out into the street.

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  • [–] 37 points 3 weeks ago (16 children)

    Ugh the rental scooters. Thankfully I’ve seen this dying down. A more common sight in my city now is parking spaces getting turned into bike rental stations. I’m all for that.

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  • [–] 13 points 3 weeks ago (11 children)

    The scooters are so much better though? Just park near where you need to go, not where the bike station is. Just take photos of the poorly parked ones and whoever last parked it gets a fine.

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  • [–] 16 points 3 weeks ago

    Yeah the scooters are great, it's the lack of enforcement for proper parking that sucks.

    Like they make you take a picture to prove you parked it properly. One time I screwed up and took a picture of only my feet. Nothing happened.

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  • [–] 10 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

    Better only for the person who drops it right where they arrives at their destination. That is almost never also a sensible place for these things to be. What if everyone just got out do their car the second they were in front of the building they want to go to? That would be so much “better” for them!

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  • [+] -8 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

    That is kind of how taxis work though

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  • [–] 5 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

    Except you jjust know they are taking audio and visual, and scanning wifi and phone and other freqencies and sending it all back to base, that's the problem.

    Throw them all into the river! Why rent everything we used to own anyway?

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago

    Even if I had my own, I wouldn't carry it across country for a visit of a few days, but I did rent in such a case more than once.

    It's really more about unenforced safety rules, people sometimes drive like crazy and they always do that on the scooters they own, because rental have a speed limit

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    Rental makes sense for this because not everyone wants to take a scooter back home and charge it

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago

    Not the way it's being done it doesn't make sense. A locally owned place that had rules against spying on everyone, and sweeping electronics, yes. A silicon valley operation whose purpose is as much collecting data as it is rental fees, is not.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

    Ugh, what? The scooters are awesome, and they cut down on car traffic.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    No they don’t. They cut down on walking.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    Um, no. They cut down on car traffic. Hoooooooly shit you people are unfucking real. I see bitching about car culture on here constantly, but when an urban area has municipal tools for reducing it, you still bitch. God fucking damn.

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  • [–] 16 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    I found myself wondering about this. If you stand blocking the entrance to a building, and won’t move when the police tell you to, I guess I can see them turning that into a disorderly conduct charge. Of course we are solely debating whether blocking a robot is a crime, but their rationale iin court is probably going to be more based around obstructing a place of public accommodation or something like that.

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  • [–] -2 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    They should've given her a warning, the police. To go right to arrest, is a favour that waymo called in to the local policians, probably followed by others donating some cash.

    It really is like that, even with prosecuting attorneys that drop charges against the rich, like former manhattan city da with several people, including Weinstein was it? 30k or something donation right after he drops charges. There were several incidents, they didn't even bother to use intermediaries there.

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  • [–] 33 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

    The comments section on that article truly was a ride.

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  • [–] 30 points 3 weeks ago

    Act surprised when it's revealed Uber sells the camera feed to flock.

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  • [–] 57 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

    I think hungry people are going to start stopping these because they have food in them.

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