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[–] 92 points 3 weeks ago (29 children)

Take away your ability to install apps that aren't stamped approved.

Oh wait, one did it over a decade ago and the other is about to start enforcing it.

Oh, and there's pretty much only the two of them.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 weeks ago (28 children)

    Is there any way to stop this?

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  • [–] 7 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

    Not really. The companies will continue removing end-user ownership, even if they move to alternatives. The profits must flow, the number must go up.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago (4 children)

    If people start to boycott it can make a change

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  • [–] 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    Boycott the technology they have forced on humanity. There's a growing number of basic tasks that require a device and there's a large portion of the population that just doesn't care enough to not fall in line.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 weeks ago

    True, no change can be done without a will that comes from most of the people, but that's life, somehow you need to feel like a feather moved by other people's choices.

    Focusing on what we can do is a better choice.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    With how apple shit is treated like divine ambrosia and, in many places, a status symbol, I seriously doubt any boycott against them will have any effect.

    Android is like Windows in the 1990s. It's fucking everywhere and literally too big to boycott. Most OEMs also prefer to play ball with Google and keep the phones locked because it's profitable for them as well. Boycotting a specific OEM might cause some damage to them, but it won't budge Google. It's good that some companies are making phones that ship with more open android clones, but those phones are still too expensive for most people to buy

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  • [–] 18 points 3 weeks ago (21 children)

    Use graphene OS or deal with the "advanced flow" process once

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  • [–] 5 points 3 weeks ago (19 children)

    I understand but the problem is my phone in not supported sadly

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  • [–] 10 points 3 weeks ago (11 children)

    Pretty sure only pixels are, but Motorola was working on one. It's fucking stupid that the only phone they support is manufactured by the company that is causing most of the problem. Their phone sucks too.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago (10 children)

    I agree I hope something changes in the future

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  • [–] 3 points 3 weeks ago (9 children)

    Next flagship Motorola will have official GrapheneOS support. It will be very expensive. After that, hopefully more mid-level Motorola phones will be supported too.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

    OR - they could dumb down grapheneOS so that it can run on a lot of other phones ?? ? maybe? yes? I get the desire to be able to encrypt the entire drive - that IS important, but I think its more important to get the functionality of graphene provides to more people. A non-google based phone is pointless on only google based hardware.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

    I would love to see GrapheneOS on Fairphone, but, you know, asking them to weaken security is a bit like asking Stallman to support proprietary software. Some people don't compromise on their core mission. Hopefully more phones will start having secure hardware in the future. I think a lot of people value security, sustainability, and degoogling. Right now there's no hardware where you can get all three.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 weeks ago* (2 children)

    I'm more excited for the Linux support efforts on Fairphone tbh, not a fan of Android

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    For degoogling it would be amazing, and postmarket/nura has been doing a lot of progress lately. As long as google is the steward of aosp and firmware is closed, all aosp based projects are kind of relying on google. For security pure linux has a long way to catch up though. And battery life. And ability to be used as a daily main device.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

    For security on Linux, a lot of it is trading off how much control you have over the OS. Like with GrapheneOS you're basically limited to the settings that it exposes, while with Linux you can do anything you want with root access. Which is better depends on the situation, but normally I'd rather have the latter. For sandboxing apps we have Flatpak although right now it's pretty janky compared to how Android does it so it could definitely be improved, and a user-facing permissions API would be nice. SecureBlue also applies some other security hardening present on GrapheneOS.

    For app support for me at least Linux already has most of what I want, although it lacks proprietary app support and some FOSS apps are Android-only, not sure how well Waydroid works.

    EDIT: Now that I think about it, I think the lack of user-facing permissions toggles might be the source for most of Flatpak's current problems. Because right now apps have to define broad permissions for themselves so that users don't get confused when they don't work as expected. For instance, for programs that expect to have direct write access, on Android you can pop up a file picker that grants it permanent write access to the directory you choose, but Flatpak doesn't have this AFAIK so a lot of them will just automatically grant write access to the entire user directory.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago

    The point of GOS isn't to "encrypt the entire drive" though, the whole point is a secure, private and stable platform that actually works. Their team chose Pixel phones because the hardware makes it possible to make it more secure, as in it has specific things in it that many other phones don't have.

    Adding more supported phones would be great, but it would mean having to support that many more configurations and likely sacrificing the main features and stability as it is not a huge team and afaik they're all volunteers.

    The whole point is security and privacy, adding whatever phone you have in your pocket for support is a) not realistically possible for them or b) would compromise the entire project due to either how many resources they have or due to the actual hardware of that particular phone.

    It's not stupid, it's a pretty clever group of people working on GOS. It's not perfect but that's what it is right now, I get that Google is an evil company but you can always buy second hand and at the end of the day there's like maybe one less evil phone company among the many so it's a problem with just about every phone you're gonna buy.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    The flagship Motorola also sucks, missing a bunch of features that even my $150 Samsung J3 had

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  • [–] 3 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

    You can still find LineageOS for your device. Check their wiki, they support A LOT of devices.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (3 children)

    Well I guess I am not lucky because I even checked there and still my device is not supported.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago

    Click the "Show legacy phones" or something similar. Some cellphones were supported, but no longer receive updates, so they do not appear in the supported list unless you explicitly tell the page to show them for you.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago

    I got a cheap used Pixel at the tail end of support, it'll last a few more years. After that I hope there will be more Motorola phones than the currently planned.

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  • [–] 153 points 3 weeks ago* (20 children)

    They are working hard on taking away SIM cards so that you can't move to another phone without your provider charging you and giving you an okay.

    Yes in theory eSIM cards are better, but the way many providers handle issuing you an eSIM card is a nightmare. Whereas with a physical SIM I can just pull it out and put it in any phone that supports that provider without a problem.

    I went as far as buying one of those physical SIM cards that holds e-sims on it so that I can swap that into a new phone. But newer phones are more frequently not coming with SIM slots at all.

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  • [–] 67 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

    I'm resisting esims for as long as possible.

    Nanosims provide this key feature where I can put my sim in a cheap 20$ flip phone when I go snowboarding or kayaking and don't want to risk breaking my smart phone.

    This also is a convenient way to get Google, and tech, and social media noise away from me for a short time.

    I also noticed there is a complete lack of esim capable dumb phones. This has me starting to question the motivation behind esim.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago (3 children)

    Ehh...esims have their upsides (like instant delivery from your cell provider).
    And for your case: Multi-sims (with telephone) are a thing.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 weeks ago

    How often you need that though? I mean ordering a SIM. And if you need it immediately you just go to one of provider's kiosks (which is plenty of them) and you get one instantly.

    As for multi sims, that's useful especially if you travel, but on the other hand there are phones with multi SIM slots. I have one right now. The sun card slot is just longer and you can put multiple.

    The whole esim reminds me when I was at Verizon when they still used CDMA. Phones didn't have SIM and you had to call provider to make a change. So to me it feels like a step backward.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    I think what Cape is doing is innovative wrt esims.

    But I'd still lose out in flip phones atm. I'd be totally fine beaming my esim over to the flip phone in a p2p manner and beaming it back when I am done. Its just a matter of, hopefully, someone making such a flip phone.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    Always buy unlocked. I transferred carriers on the bus one afternoon and by the time I was home, it was done and I had already deactivated my old account. Kept my mincer and everything. It was even simpler because I have a dual eSIM. Once it was done, I deleted my original eSIM. There’s also the big advantage of using dual eSIM when traveling internationally as you can just activate foreign networks immediately.

    But even if you don’t buy unlocked, the carrier has to unlock your phone if you’ve been with them for like 60 days or something according to the FCC. My friend couldn’t get his phone unlocked so he threatened to report them to the FCC and BOOM. Unlocked remotely. It was crazy that it had to go that far.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago

    Locked phones aren't really a thing in Canada; they are all unlocked. That doesn't dictate the eSIM switching process be easy between devices though :/
    Also, wtf is with the "only one or two eSIMs" limit. That physical eSIM card I bought will fit as many fit in storage; something like 8 apparently. I hate arbitrary "no, only X" limits without a justification.

    There is only zero, one, and N (more than can be used because of physical or natural limits) in my mind. :P

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  • [–] 9 points 3 weeks ago (9 children)

    I like eSIMs now because I can get a different account every month, data only and then I use jmp.net to have SMS and voice call services with a permanent number for when I need that. Its cheaper then anything else and more private too.

    I don't know who you've been getting your esims from but it I've used simjuno and nadanada both are pretty easy to setup.

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  • [–] 26 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

    As soon as the ability to just physically remove the SIM is gone, the big providers will add locks in software to enshittify the experience.

    That's a given. I can see Apple becoming a mobile service provider and locking all iPhones users to them, for example.

    eSIM experience will only stay smooth as the alternative physical SIM option exists.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

    Lock ins are only a problem if you sign a contract to get your phone costs subsidised. The solution is not physical sims, its stop buying over priced shiney things with a contract just cuz MaBell will give you a "deal". You can almost always get a better deal yourself if you are willing to look for it.

    I pay in a year less then most ppl pay for a month of the same exact service, but instead of paying T-Mobile or Verizon $40 I pay $4 for the same amount of data. Instead of buying the latest phone I get a used one that will get updates for the next 3+ years.

    I don't see how apple or Verizon or anyone else could really ever make this setup not work for me unless they lobby congress to destroy MVNOs and used phone resale.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

    That sounds like a major pain in the ass.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago (3 children)

    A lot less pain then getting stuck paying off $1000 phone and over $300 for service. I guess some people just prefer to get ripped off

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    What does the cost of the phone have to do with changing your plan monthly? You can not get ripped off and not have to do all that hoop jumping each month.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago

    Well related because just buying a phone outright in my area is not easy. I have to ship the phone direct from manufacturer because all the major retailers refuse to sell unless you buy through a contract.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago*

    Well I dont have to change it monthly if i don't want to but I happen to want to because it makes it harder to track and create a profile If I do. My actual phone/SMS service stays the same either way and routes over XMPP.

    The cost of the phone is why most average people get suckered in to long term contracts.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 weeks ago

    The first phone I got with an e-SIM crashed during startup. After it cooked my old SIM card. It was so arduous to get fixed. So fucking stupid. This tech isn’t ready for prime time if it can’t handle the phone crashing at specific points.

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  • [–] 49 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

    Next thing to take: unlockable bootloaders so you can no longer install an alt OS.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 weeks ago

    Installing GrapheneOS on my pixel was easy, but I had to go through hoops to get my old Motorola G7 running iirc PostmarketOS (now called Nura).

    Had to install some program on my desktop so I could ask my connected phone for a series of unique character strings through the terminal, then enter them in a specific order on Motorola's website where they check if your phone is applicable for unlocking bootloading. It says no, so I look around and find a list of carrier codes that indicate whether or not it should be, and mine should. I ended up finding some forum posts from years ago talking about how the website is wrong and lies to you, and that if you change the url that it gives for applicable devices to include your phone's strings then it'll correctly identify the device as applicable for bootloader unlocking. Finally got then to send me an email with the unique code for my phone, and I was able to follow the instructions to install PostmarketOS.

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  • [–] 42 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

    I miss the headphone jack so much.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    I totally get it but I have been pretty happy with the earbuds to be honest. I know that's a bit of a hot take but I always wanted wireless in the past and I use my jabra's on a daily basis. Still, I dont like the removal of useful features, we could easily have wireless earbuds and still have headphone jacks for fuck sake

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  • [–] 83 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

    They will try to discourage use of on-screen keyboards (making them dumber and less reliable) to force you to use AI dictation and sell you more headphones.

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  • [–] 32 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    Damn, that's so viable. don't give em ideas

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  • [–] 6 points 3 weeks ago

    At that point I think I would just go back to a brick phone again. I used one as my only phone for the past several years before getting a second hand fairphone with calyx, I really don't have a problem with going back.

    90% of the reason for the fairphone is I work in office now and I get bored for an hour lunchbreak. But being able to send my partner more higher quality cat pics is a bonus too.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 weeks ago

    I recently lost the voice assistant on my phone because it got replaced by Google's stupid AI shit, which I refuse to use. Now the old assistant, which shipped with this phone and which it has used for the years that I've had it, is "unsupported by this device." Don't even need to buy a new phone for them to take features away from you.

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  • [–] 36 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 child)
       >they took your bootloader unlocking   
       >they took your sideloading(i think)  
    
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  • [–] 34 points 3 weeks ago (7 children)

    I recently upgraded my phone, and the lack of a 3.5mm jack really hurts. But at least I have an excuse not to listen to my sister's 20 min Whatsapp voice messages...

    One other thing I really miss is the LED indicator that you have new notifications when the screen is off.

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  • [–] 10 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    Starting 2019 most smartphones vendors have stopped adding the notification LED which could be explained by the advent of AOD and a drive for smaller bezels.[6][7]

    An always-on display (AOD) is a computer-device feed feature mostly found on smartphones that has the device display show limited information while the phone is asleep. I

    both from Wikipedia. tl;dr. modem screens can be switched on partially and do so efficient enough to replace LEDs. if and how they do depends on the os

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  • [–] 6 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

    It's so much less convenient tho. The led meant you knew at a glance that there was something for you, you didn't have to look at the screen long enough for it to trigger the screen, then process a whole* bunch of info BEFORE determining if there was something for you.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago

    Huh? That doesnt make any sense. For AOD to work without draining battery way too much it has to be OLED of some kind (or eink). But still to this day something like half the phones are built with LCDs, even moreso in 2019.

    Writing this on my $100 LCD phone from last year without a notification LED. Actually had one on my previous one. And I hated it, though thats just me, I hate LEDs in general and always disable/disconnect/tape over them so that my room doesnt look like disco christmas party at night.

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  • [–] 32 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    With wireless charging existing, I wouldn't be surprised if they got rid of the USB port as well, and sold phones with no ports at all, just wireless everything.

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  • [–] 25 points 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    I miss the slide out qwerty keyboard my old HTC Inspire had.

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  • [–] 24 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    I miss the IR blaster so much. It was great to not only be able to control my own devices, but also be able to change TV's in waiting rooms or gyms when they were stuck on shit like Fox News.

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  • [–] 21 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

    Aye you still got volume buttons they can take one of them.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    Press for volume up, double press for volume down.

    Double presses. Up up. No... Double press again. Down. Good. Double press again, up up.

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  • [–] 21 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    They remove the math-based image processing and replace it with AI, making all your photos invalid as any kind of evidence.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago (1 child)

    Whoa, got an article or something? I’d love to read more about this

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  • [–] 0 points 3 weeks ago

    No article.
    Just observing the images with "AI camera" phones having weird shapes when zoomed in.
    Of course I don't think they have made it all AI yet, but I have a feeling the current trend will make it harder to use as proof down the line.

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  • [–] 20 points 3 weeks ago

    "Cameras always on"

    For the user experience.

    /s

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  • [–] 20 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    Ooh, maybe a dedicated AI button right next to the power button that can't be turned off or used for any other function that you accidentally hit all of the time.

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  • My LG G8 all but got "upgraded" to this, it was a dedicated Google assistant button, right next to the power switch, and the assistant became AI. Thankfully, while you were unable to remap the button you could still just turn it off, I did that pre AI because I just never used assistant and kept accidentally hitting the button. There are a lot of things I miss about that phone, the AI button is not one of them.

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  • [–] 20 points 3 weeks ago

    Not sure why this is a "shit post." This actually happened.

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