People seem to forget how easily phone cords went bad. We had to jiggle them or hold them at weird angles to keep talking.
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You can buy a coiled USB-C cable, I have a couple, they're pretty sweet. A company called Cable Matters makes them, they generally make quality stuff

The idea of a spring plus the poor retention of USB-C just doesn't seem like a good idea to me. Seems like these would just be a lot of cable coiled up to make a short cable.
Finally a counter-example to enshittification.
That's actually a more shitty cable. The USB spec gives a maximum cable length based on when wire length will start to pick up more interference and impact data rates.
Basically this is a curly cable that can't be as long as it otherwise would, and if you try it's going to actively try to pull itself out of the device because it's a spring.
Wouldn't they still fray near the end?
I like guitar cables that coil like this, they don't get tangled easily
Pull on the connector instead of the cable and it'll last 3x longer
Also stop resting it on the cord bend while using it in bed. The number of times I have seen this prevented by a 90° adapter is… at least 3.
While that might be right in some cases, these just had really bad plastic coverings. I had an htc cable made with the same stuff. Without using it just sitting the drawer, it now is cracked all over and the cover is falling apart. Mechanical stress probably would make it break faster, but these cables also just sucked.
Or grab a wireless charger. Of all the great things about USB-C, that tiny little "tongue" in the socket isn't one. Wireless charging will get rid of 99% of the wear that port will see.

I use these on all my cables both ends. This cable is 5 years old and still strong. Costed me 1 rupee per piece. Got a pack of 100 for 100rs (~1 us dollar)
I'm just thinking about the fact that they really GOTTA stop making white charger cables
I know what I'm gonna buy later (assuming a USB-C version exists).
It’s agnostic. You can pretty much put it on any cable as long it’s not too thick.
What exactly am I looking at here?
They can. There are brands selling durable USB-C cables, I think they cost around 20 Euros each.
For Apple stuff, they will make it durable once their customer base stops being a cult.
The problem is that you can't go just off of the price because there are shitty brands that will sell the crappy one that will break early for 20 Euros to fool people into thinking they'll last.
Exactly. My Aliexpress specials have lasted forever. Buying a "brand" is dumb.
The cables that degraded that way were because they used a more recyclable product, they moved away from it and it stopped being a problem.
That so many of the Apple frayed outside cables survived despite the outside fraying is funny …

Their cables are now braided by default.
The “hating apple” or better yet “tech tribalism” in general is the real cult
Same goes for Google and the others. They have a tribe or flock or cult. All the tech companies want that or have it to some degree. Though some are more obvious.
Funny, Apple mainstreamed tech tribalism. Remember when they were so so butthurt when android entered the scene, that their whole cult started calling them poor people's phone? Their whole schtick was being an expensive status symbol? Suing samsung because their phone was a rectangle? Suing a pear brand logo because theirs was an apple. They had to go so low to green bubble android users to.make them seem like outcasts in group chats for teenagers? Tim Apple's "Buy your mom an iPhone" because they didn't want to support RCS?
You can "achsually" spin it however the fuck you want, Apple is THE tech tribalist cult, that other companies fawn over. Not the smart ones, the dumb and loyal ones who buy expensive shit no matter what.
Fuck all Big Tech. They're only after monopolizing the market for data and profits.
Apple mainstreamed tech tribalism
I assure you, from car brands to shoe brands to soda brands, brand tribalism by consumers has always been with us. On the tech side, we saw it with console wars of every generation, PC/accessory brand tribalism, even OS/software tribalism. TVs, radios, portable music players, AV equipment of all types, etc. When cell phones came on the scene, you had significant brand rivalries there, even before smartphones. (You see remnants in this when people get nostalgic about Nokias or Blackberries or Razrs).
Your comment so perfectly encapsulates what I’m talking about.
I use Apple products because I develop on a Unix system that has support from the manufacturer. That’s why I use Apple.
Nobody else provides that for me. I’d prefer to be using i3 on a Linux base but nobody provides that in a manner that ticks the boxes I need to tick for the requirements I provide.
It’s like you are wildly incorrect but having to join the tech fight
You can use an Apple product without being in the cult, but the cult still exists.
Sure. But the cult of anti Apple is on display here in this thread and is wildly MORE pervasive.
Then again it’s largely only kids who give a fuck, the second I take my mom hat off and stop trying to temper extreme mindsets it all disappears for me too.
All the tech in your pocket looks fantastic from my house.
Glad to see someone else mention this. I feel crazy enjoying the hell out of using what is basically “linux + commercial software” while everyone else is just like “Apple bad, too expensive.” Meanwhile my apple laptop and phone were both cheaper than the competition… never let that get in the way of a good narrative, I guess.
That’s exactly what it is.
Planned obsolescence, but my iPhone 11 from 2019 still receives updates. Do any android devices from then still get new Android?
None of my cords that did the fraying ever frayed, I had one friend who’s cord frayed. But it was all over the internet.
It’s called othering when we make shit up about people to categorize them as worse, but since tech isn’t people our baser instincts are fine.
Do any android devices from then still get new Android?
Oneplus 5 released in 2017 is still getting official LineageOS updates. Oneplus One released in 2014 is also getting updates, albeit unofficial ones.
And this is just the brand I'm familiar with, there probably are even older phones kept alive by the community. This isn't possible with Apple's hostile ecosystem.
My question wasn’t about Lineage though. OnePlus using lineage officially and supporting it is kind of the exception that proves the rule.
I’m talking which manufacturers offer a comparable product that is supported for as long?
Apple gets shit on for this very thing but Google and Samsung and Motorola were the worst offenders in that regard. Samsung users out here with an phone that stopped getting updates a year later shitting on people with 5 generation old iPhones still being updated regularly, my point entirely is that much of the “this company sucks for X reason” in both directions is typically people hating rather than backed by real shit.
Some stuff is bad, but rarely is any of the hate as bad as people make it out to be. It’s tribalism.
We hate things more than we like them. It’s a pretty human trait.
Google pixels have pretty long support.
Not sure how we got so lucky with Apple support on old iphones. The situation is not so good on old computer hardware. Neither is windows.
10 years of support for MacBook pros and then just like a windows box that doesn’t support a 10 year old computer without a tpm you can install Linux if you want.
Or Apple actually maintains security updates for previous operating system versions.
Pixels got less than 7 years of support from Google.
Googles flagship Android device came out and still couldn’t meet the competitor. But it’s Apple that does the thing where you have to buy new hardware, yeah?
No, apple devices tend to have good hardware that lasts a long time.
I have several apple computers at home that still work fine except they don't get software updates any more because they're old :(
Just because windows does the same thing doesn't mean it isn't sad that I'd have to buy new hardware just to use mac OS again.
MacOS 15 is still supported for devices older that can’t get macos26.
So it’s still a better world than windows made, but you can similarly break the tpm requirement for windows 11 if you really wanted to
MacOS 15 is too new and not supported on my machines.
EDIT: if you're curious, these are the devices supported by Sequoia. My macs are much older than that and the hardware still works great, which is a testament to the build quality. I just wish they still got security updates.
Yeah you can criticise Apple on many things, but definitely not in build quality and software support. They're so far ahead of everyone else, it's not even funny.
What a ridiculous statement... They are pioneers in planned obsolescence. They literally designed a laptop where all of the heat vented directly onto the vulnerable hinge until the screen eventually failed and an iPhone that couldn't make phone calls until you bought an extra case for it.
I'm not saying they're perfect, far from that, personally I despise their stupid marketing and clear cut decisions (the CD drive, the jack, etc.), the repairability is abysmal. They had big flukes and made stupid decisions, like fanless laptops, butterfly keyboards and such.
But an iPhone is supported for 10 years software wise, a MacBook is supported for 7 years. The build quality of pretty much all their products is also generally great with the occasional miss. Not many tech manufacturers come close. Maybe I'm mistaken and I'd be gladly proven wrong.
"Repairability" and they were the first ones to make batteries be glued so they can only be repaired by an Apple repair center. 😭
Yeah, that's what I said?
The build quality is great, the repairability is shit. Both can be true.
The “planned obsolescence” argument holds as much water as a sieve and always has.
It’s cope. Everyone seems to need to cope about why they got what they got and not the other thing. Nobody can just admit “I got the thing I wanted”
I wear yalls downvotes as a badge of pride that I triggered some tribalists who had to react but couldn’t respond
You’re literally parroting the same type of tech tribalism bullshit that I’m responding to.
They had a design defect. It happens.
They’ve never sold me a phone that explodes in my pocket though. I guess Samsung also planned that obsolescence?
It’s the “assigning intent” behind a thing that proves the tribalism.
For fucks sake just use the shit you want to use and let other people use the shit they want to use.
This is just whataboutism. Fuck "tech tribalism" and fuck every tech company.
It sure would be whatavoutism if I was trying to make one side the good guy or the other guy specifically the bad guy.
My point entirely is that they all do fucked up shit and pretending your favorite tech company is good while the other is evil is some stupid shit.
Use what you like. Accept there are problems and things that could be done better. Get something else if it ticks your boxes.
But to be a braindead tech tribalist by parroting the narrative that foo product users are inherently brainwashed and dumb is irony at its best.
Samsung isn't good either. Anything closed-sourced and privative is bad by definition.
They are pioneers in planned obsolescence.
I have owned three laptops since 2004. Powerbook 2004-2014, Macbook Air 2014-2025, Macbook Air 2025-now. This doesn’t feel like planned obsolescence to me? This feels like computers that last way fuckin longer. but whatever. None of these laptops were more than about $800 either. I’m into apple because I’m cheap as hell, IDK man.
Their build quality is shit. I had a phone that I would throw into the air and let it land on concrete for funsies. That phone lasted me 5 years. It was a Motorola. The back was plastic, the front was either gorilla glass or plastic. Either way, I didn't have a case on it, and it didn't break.
If a phone needs a case, its because the build quality is absolute shit. Every phone should be able to be slammed onto the concrete without a case. It's the gold standard of build quality.
Build quality has absolutely no ties with how resistant to abuse the product is ? That's just a completely absurd opinion...
I have Sennheiser HD 280 headphones. They have a telephone cord for a wire. So good. So worth it. Cable still going strong after 6 years. And get this... when it breaks? I can replace it. They make spare parts. Saved me a ton of money in the long run
Well, think of the data transfer rates. One carries voice, which can be in the kb/s
A lightning cable can carry a few gb/s.
All this extra data weighs down the cable, causing it to fail sooner.
You can solve this problem by switching to light-weight data, or by simply filling your cable with helium to counteract the extra weight!
Thanks, Cave Johnson.
extra data weighs down the cable
Does it really? I get that you're taking the piss, and it won't have any significant or even perceptible impact, but seriously does it?
Like it exists, right? I might just be tweaking here.
I'm gonna end up full Steve here if i think about it much longer
There is a weight associated with the electrons needed to convey information, but it's negligible.
Beyond that though, we're not actually so interested in moving the electrons, but in toggling the electric field. Most of the electrons in the wire stay in the wire, and any that leave are balanced by another coming in on the other end. Electrons can move between the atoms, but if your cable is actually changing the number then something has gone wrong, since laptops don't typically ionize copper.
It's a pretty straightforward calculation, since amperage is the number of electrons per second, and the cables has a well documented signaling rate.
It works out to a bit weighing about 2x10^-22 grams for a USB cable.
Data is essentially just fancy electric current. Current doesn't really 'flow' so much as propogate a wave similar to a newtons cradle desk toy. A physicist might chime in on this, but no, I don't think data being transmitted actually weighs anything.
Unless you factor in the interaction between any induction effects and the earths magnetic field. But it's beyond negligible.
It's only 4 wires, only 2 of which carry data. A 6ft cable transferring at a max usb speed of 80gb/s moving at the slow end of signal propagation through copper of .5c would have less than a kilobyte on it at any time.
The data exists as electricity, and while electrons have mass, there's always going to be roughly the same number of electrons in the cable. They're flowing in a loop across the cable, so more electrons aren't needed for more data. It's the pattern they move in that carries the data (kinda).
At least that's my simplistic view of it. There's probably some technicalities I'm glossing over, but I think the point stands that a cable carrying more data isn't heavier due to that data.
I actually haven't had a cable do this since I stopped buying apple cables. I usually will buy just whatever brand I find and they might stop working eventually, but rarely do they fray like those iPod ones used to.
Because then you would only buy one of them
Back in the day, the phone was property of the phone company, so it was in their best interest not having someone come replace the cable.
No thanks, at that point I'd rather just a buy a third party one of higher quality.
Because then they couldn't sell you a new one for $15 every 3 months.
I'm in tech, I can answer this for OP (on apple's behalf):
Because fuck you, thats why.
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