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[–] 104 points 1 month ago (5 children)

What happens when rich Americans have sex with minors?

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  • [–] 46 points 1 month ago (3 children)
  • [–] 55 points 1 month ago* (19 children)

    TIL

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brigitte_Macron

    It was at the after-school drama club of Lycée la Providence where she and Emmanuel Macron first met.[13] She was in charge of the after-school theater club he attended when he was 15 alongside her own daughter Laurence who was in his class.[14] Their relationship has attracted controversy, as she is his senior by close to 25 years, and he was a minor; Macron has described it as "a love often clandestine, often hidden, misunderstood by many before imposing itself".

    In 1993, at the age of 39, she met the 15-year-old Emmanuel Macron in Lycée la Providence,[40][41] where she was a teacher and he was a student and a classmate of her daughter.[42] Brigitte divorced Auzière in January 2006 and married Macron on 20 October 2007.

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  • [–] 24 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    Cucked by your daughter's classmate.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    I wonder if the daughter liked him at the time too.

    Imagine having a high school crush and before you can make a move, your mother becomes a pedophile and gets there first.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

    I wonder what the daughter thought about him.

    Or what if he used to bully the daughter to get the mom's attention, and the daughter actually hates him?

    The guy that bullies me is now my step dad?!

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  • [–] -5 points 1 month ago (12 children)

    Am I the only person that doesn't see a problem here?

    I mean sure it's weird. People do weird things. It's definitely weird enough to gossip about and make memes about.

    Has anyone been harmed though? Is there a power imbalance?

    Daughter might not be thrilled but it's not abusive.

    It's fine to have narrow ideas about who you might have a relationship with, but let others do as they wish provided they're not harming anyone.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (7 children)

    From the Wikipedia article it's not clear if she waited until he was an adult to pursue the relationship or not.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (6 children)

    They had some kind of relationship while he was at school. It's not clear whether it was sexual.

    Age of consent in France is 15. So he was already an adult in this context.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago* (1 child)

    That is wildly too young for consent with an adult, imo, but I'm no expert.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago

    I only know this from a Quebecois perspective, I believe 16 is the age of consent in Quebec, but I doubt any of my cousins were still virgins by the time they were 14. I'm not sure on the logistics of this, but they were very promiscuous even at that age.

    So absolutely none of this is shocking to me. This is just the way French people are.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 weeks ago (1 child)

    I'm seeing a 14-year gap between the time they initially met and the time they married. The first three of those years would have been criminal, but I haven't actually seen anything saying the relationship commenced within that time period.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 weeks ago

    That's what I initially thought but I did some reading and it's not really the case.

    Firstly, the age of consent in france is 15, and the attitudes of the French people are much more relaxed in this area, and I can respect that.

    However, it's likely there was some kind of relationship when he was 15 and she was 39. There's no evidence that it was sexual but I kinda assume that it was. His parents sent him to a school in Paris to break them up. I can't be bothered linking the source but it's mentioned on the wikipedia page and you can click through to read the references.

    On balance, it seems no laws were broken and it seems unlikely that either party was harmed. However, the early years of their relationship were certainly dubious ethically.

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  • [–] 24 points 1 month ago

    It doesn't seem "truthy" what with all non-investigations of the Trump/Epstein rapes staring us in the face. It is a teacher however and they aren't very valued by the current american administration. /s

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  • [–] 19 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child)

    Lol, bad timing on that one. Which country elected a pedophile again?

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  • [–] 43 points 1 month ago (7 children)

    Rape is barely even illegal in the US. In our culture, if a man gets raped, that's funny, if a girl gets raped, no she didn't; that bitch is lying.

    As far as creeping on underage people, others have pointed out the hypocrisy there.

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  • [–] -4 points 1 month ago (6 children)

    Rape is a crime no matter what gender did it. If a man rapes a woman he should be put to jail. But it is also a fact that so many girls willingly sleeps with a man then calls it rape because she feels guilty. I feel awful for actual rape victims but also for so many men wrongfully accused of rape. We should have a gender neutral middle ground.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    The number of men who claim innocence and the number of men who are actually innocent are two different things. Don't let a real, but otherwise statistical anomaly, distract you from the actual harm done. A male victim and a female victim have equal rights to justice but a woman and a man do not have equal chances of experiencing sexual assault. Which cause deserves your attention?

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  • [–] 1 point 4 weeks ago (3 children)

    but a woman and a man do not have equal chances of experiencing sexual assault.

    On what evidence do you base this claim? I was under the impression that the actual rates are similar, but male-victims very rarely report SA.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 weeks ago (2 children)

    Statistics - National Sexual Violence Resource Center (NSVRC) https://share.google/s8pcZdJvkkp4HGsDZ

    Looks like overall it's about 2:1. And more to the original point, no more than 10% of claims are potentially falsified (or as little as 2%). I'll admit, I didn't have this data originally.

    Which is to say - the harm to falsely accused men and the harm to legitimately raped or harassed women are on totally different scales.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 weeks ago (1 child)

    Which is to say - the harm to falsely accused men and the harm to legitimately raped or harassed women are on totally different scales.

    I'm not comparing the two. I'm addressing only the point that I quoted above:

    A male victim and a female victim have equal rights to justice but a woman and a man do not have equal chances of experiencing sexual assault.

    Your link says 1 in 5 women (20%) experience rape, and 24.8% of men experience "sexual violence". That seems to indicate that men and women experience SA at about the same rate. This is consistent with my understanding.

    Your "2:1" claim seems to arise from "Nationwide, 81% of women and 43% of men reported experiencing some form of sexual harassment and/or assault in their lifetime."

    I will focus on the word "reported": It is my understanding that male victims of SA report their assault at much lower rates than female victims.

    I would note that your overall thesis does not seem to rely on this particular point. You can abandon this point without detracting from your main argument.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 weeks ago

    Agreed - overall this isn't my point, but it's a good thing to get calibrated.

    Looking deeper, it seems like the stats vary along with specific criteria.

    Another source: Sexual Violence Statistics - RAINN https://share.google/0MKSuQVWw2PWiZHhX

    This puts the ratio at 1:10.

    I think it's probably true that men report fewer incidents, but the ratios are pretty far apart for rape. This website also makes the point that up to 30% of sexual assault for males occurs in childhood. Good stats for underreporting are hard to obtain but it seems like it's something like 50% unreported for men. Maybe a bit lower for women. It just seems like a stretch to say that it's equally likely for both genders. You'd have to go to extreme differences between the rates of reporting (3-5x).

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago

    Where are your "so many men" statistics?

    I'm a dude that was falsely accused but everything I've seen shows I'm a very small statistic, especially compared to women who are raped w/o consequences for their rapist and many slut shamed. It's terrible and life-altering to be falsely accused, but so is being raped and that happens far more often.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 month ago

    Why'd you type a butthole in the middle of France tho?

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  • [–] 18 points 1 month ago* (5 children)

    Yeah, you just have to be a lecherous con man with lots of stolen money used to get private access to innocent victims to become leader of America.

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  • [–] 23 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    Can you narrow it down as to whom you're talking about?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

    Holy shit, did Clinton fuck kids? Regularly? Repeatedly? Mercilessly? Or are you trying to create a false equivalence between being a child rapist and being a swinger?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    Bare minimum facts we know: 1) Bill Clinton definitely had sexual relations with a white house intern while he was president 2) Bill Clinton had some relationship with notorious pedophile and sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstien resulting in multiple pictures taken of them together

    What we assume from these facts is up to us. I'm not certain he's a pedo, but I am certain I don't trust his judgment, especially in sexual matters.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 month ago

    Regularly? Seriously? Once in a while is excusable? WTF ARE YOU SAYING?!??!??

    Why would he fly on the Lolita Express? Why would he even hang out with a known child pimp?

    Dude already has rape accusations going back to Governor of Arkansas.

    Yes, I ZERO doubts Bill Clinton raped kids.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    Whats the french story here? Is that macromoni?

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  • [+] -20 points 1 month ago* (4 children)

    Do you honestly not know this?

    AI:

    "Brigitte Macron and Emmanuel Macron first met in 1993 at La Providence, a Jesuit high school in Amiens, France. • Ages at the time: Brigitte was 39 years old and working as a teacher, while Emmanuel was a 15-year-old student."

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago

    I honestly did not. Like I recognize Macron and know some stuff about current, recent, and ancient france. But no, their drama isnt shit to me. I still dont know why that one prince (england, not france) who ran away is a ginger, i keep waiting for it to break hes just a bastard from a ginger haired pool boy. (Or whatever hired hand a princess would fuck) I try to keep up with the rest of the world, where its important I guess. Sometimes

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  • [+] 16 points 1 month ago (4 children)
  • [–] 16 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    Found the jealous American

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    They hate democracy, but France has le'nukes.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    I love that she just looks like a normal person that does her best to age with grace.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago (11 children)

    The Comandante your mom told your dad not to worry about. 😉

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago (9 children)

    They look nothing alike in the last picture

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  • [–] 9 points 1 month ago (8 children)

    Castro looks kind of like Paul Dano.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 month ago (6 children)

    That must be why Quentin Tarantino went Zionist.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    Dude lives in Tel Aviv now.

    He pulled a Walter Sobchak.

    What's up with all the 2,000 lbs bomb dropping on Shomer Shabbos? Genocide doesn't get a day of rest?

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  • [–] 9 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Fuck, I missed that. He's an asshole but I liked most of his movies.

    So now we know why all the greatest artists die young. If they live long enough they turn evil.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    If you're a Candice Owens slob, whatever. No teacher should bang students, but this one is called out by a conspiracy nutjob. Scrutinize but don't listen to her.

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  • [+] -7 points 1 month ago (10 children)

    A loving relationship where the woman is older than the man, oh the horror.

    Everyone knows real power is from geriatric men marrying children who were trafficked just for them.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (6 children)

    Are you proud of yourself for trying to sanewash child rape?

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  • [–] -1 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    You're going to have to point out the child rape part to me.

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