I used to have an iPad, and watching an entire movie on the Netflix app drained the battery by 2-4%. The Reddit app took 15-20% of the battery over breakfast, so I switched to Apollo. Then, I could get through breakfast with the battery still at, say, 95%. Clearly, the official app did something else in the background; since they didn't disclose what, it was probably nefarious. One day, Apollo stopped working, and that was that.
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I run and grew /r/piracy for over 10 years. I took part in the api protests and also urged people to migrate to lemmy publicly. One of my mods went behind my back and asked the admins to demod me and rearrange mods so that they're on top, and the admins complied. Then the sub went back to business as usual.
I moderated a large sub that participated in the blackout. Our mod team was threatened by the admins into reopening, and that's when I knew I was done with the platform.
Can you give more details?
No RIF, no reddit, bye Felicia...
Sync, then later the open source Slide were amazing. Apollo on iOS was ridiculously good.
And now I'm using Voyager and Summit on Lemmy and Piefed and in some regards they might be even better. Summit especially has become so good.
A shame about the Sync version for Lemmy, hit and run the dev took the money and abandoned it. I suppose they were hoping for more growth, but still. Although I'm no dev and probably shouldn't judge
It was really fun a long time ago; getting gifts/exchanging gifts. Secret Santa. Making artwork and just trading it for stuff, lots of subs. And overtime all of that was gone. It became a hateful festering pile of shit. Once reddit became "old" it was done and it showed. It really became a hardcore data mining trash bin. Getting multiple down votes for things I disagreed with was it for me; not that I care about the down votes, it's just there was no comments no interaction. Reddit maybe has a few more years left in my opinion, with new users only joining because it was indirectly advertised by the people that made it what it is. It's like Regr'etsy, wasn't too bad on launch to hey allibaba or temu is in the house!
I'm just not buying across millions of users, there exists a combination of ethical pattern matching (e.g. subs, comment patterns, online timing, etc). to reliably identify a single human behind multiple accounts. We're not that unique.
It's 100% IP and cookie based. Each of which can be circumvented without too much issue.
Browser fingerprinting however is not easy to circumvent.
You can generally fool them by just changing one or two variables like GPU acceleration.
Or, change browsers.
i used librewolf now for reddit purposes, maybe thats why my new account dint get hit yet. i also avoid any political subs. for a month brave hid my old account before it was shadowbanned last year, i stopped using that. how do you change the GPU acc? im interested.
There's a couple of extensions for that. But yeah its usually not easy.
some forks have anti-fingerprinting, but they have ways of detecting things like device components. they are pretty much catching onto anti-detect browsers, and ip switching methods(cost money) that isnt a vpn.
they have fingerprinting methods too, like your looking at your browser version, your time zone, and other things. they know people evade by changing thier IP alot, so they upgraded.
axolotl
I recognize that name from this site.
So do I. I used to be quite active in /r/Conspiratard, /r/TopMindsOfReddit and other such subs where we laughed at the silly people of /r/conspiracy etc. axolotl was featured regularly there. I kind of missed what happened to him, did people finally get enough of his antics? Nervous breakdown? Banned? Anyone know?
they use alot of fingerprinting to find your other accounts, likely used the same IP/DEVICE that recieved the other bans and they just connected the dots. i made an account after a year of shadowbanned all my old accounts. the new ones i use with a different FORK browser, (maybe there was a Ip change) thats why they arnt catching on,. reddit has unofficial unbanning after a while of getting ban, but usually it wont work if you had so many accounts banned. i think a new ID/browser/device is enough. im still using the same device, possibly ip but a different browser.
Just how I got banned, really. I forget what the topic even was about. Someone who abused a child and got off light. Like they got probation or jail time served or something. I said people who harm children should face longer sentences, like a decade or more. I'm not sure if it was my wording or what, but I got banned for inciting violence against a protected class. I wasn't sure if it was an AI thing (automated, like automod) or what, but I appealed and they upheld it... so I didn't go back. I figure if that's their position, I don't want to be there anyway.
"The API stuff" is so glossed over by people who either weren't there or forgot or, I dunno, don't want Reddit to look as bad as they were? They tried to accuse a third-party developer of extortion, but he recorded the conversation and provided the raw recording as well as a transcript. I think Reddit mostly just wanted Apollo in particular to go away and tried some underhanded tactics to make that happen, but they didn't expect the developer would record the conversation and embarrass them.
Left in 2023 when the API thing happened and never looked back. Nowadays I only go there through search engines when looking for a tech solution. Most of the useful stuff is either deleted or outdated. Reddit sucks.
The mod for r/AdultChildrenofNarcissists disappeared, and replacement essentially admitted that they were running an experiment and couldn't give more details because it would ruin the experiment. They also said they were going to try to remove the anti-parent bias in the subreddit. So much for that support group.
So anyway, r/AdultKidsofNarcissists was created, but there's no reason to think that same sort of thing didn't happen to a bunch of other subreddits. They will eventually sell the comment database to someone who'll run a poorly thought out LLM and find red flags by cross referencing a support group subreddit with other subreddits and cause real world consequences. It isn't enough to stop using reddit now; they already have the posts and will have them forever.
something tells me that is r/adultchildrenofnarcassist new mods are right wingers, trying to say parents are not at fault for causing children to hate him, are unemployed, unable to move out of the house, or refusing to house the parents when they retire. it sounds convoluted but alot of stories like this, have a very boomer center to it. why is the 30-40yo woman not having a job, or moving out, or whatever(usually its the sibling complaining)
It used to be a place to see that other people had similar issues with their parents and had links to other resources for people doing research. So of course someone found out the children were talking bad about their parents and brought the parents to come supervise. The perfectly manicured, sharpened fingernail at the tip of the slap to the face was that the new mod removed some of the helpful links, like this one: https://issendai.com/psychology/estrangement/missing-missing-reasons/ that distills the issue down to such a condensed form that I wouldn't have thought it possible. You'd might as well stand outside an AA meeting and offer free airplane bottles to people walking in as pull that kind of maneuver.
I'm not trying to draw equivalencies between people's trauma, or elevate one or dismiss others, but if a group of people found a spot to sit and talk quietly about shared experiences, then it's better to let them alone. $RDDT couldn't have drawn up a mission statement that more clearly stated that they weren't there to help, and any help derived from their platform was accidental and subject to their "adjustment" at any times.
And just in case anyone missed it, the link that the mod removed from a subreddit by and for Adult Children of Narcissists was this one: https://issendai.com/psychology/estrangement/missing-missing-reasons/
EDIT: added a piece to a sentence to make a thought more fully formed.
User culture change for sure. The subversive, progressive, smarmy nerds that used to hang out there were "my people" so to speak. The shift to a 50/50 mix of bots and soccer moms made it kinda useless as a forum. Lemmy isn't quite the same, but I think it's a good thing. Much less culturally homogeneous, but 100% authentic.
So much of it is people just ditching about things in their lives looking for validation.
Nothing is about anything anymore.
Unfortunately the one place with the most engagement to solving Linux issues are still the Linux subreddits. I was hoping Linux was more prevalent on Lemmy, but it's not...
For me, it’s the API stuff. I used the Reddit app for a long time until I started seeing the He Gets Us ad everywhere. I hated it because it’s from an anti-equality organization. I blocked the account and I stopped seeing it for a while. Then it started popping up again after I blocked the account, so I started using Apollo to avoid it. Once the API thing happened and Apollo stopped working, I said fuck it, deleted my account, and moved on to Mastodon, BlueSky, and (after a time) here.
If they let me block that stupid fucking ad, I would probably still be there, at least if not for all the other dumb decisions they have also made.
I said that nuclear arms race was just stupid at this point.
"I'll kill everyone"
"If you kill everyone I'll kill everyone"
"Well I can kill everyone 3 times over"
"If you kill everyone 3 times over I'll kill everyone 20 times over"
"Oh yeah? We're working on a way to kill everyone 200 times over"
Anyway that got me a 3 week ban for inciting violence. When I pressed the appeal button and said "its actually condemning violence, theres context there" it got upgraded to a permanent ban.
That was the 3rd time I got banned. The first time was from typing "genji main btw" into an overwatch post complaining about how theres no people playing support.
My account was suspended sitewide by the admins -- not just banned by some mods -- for reporting misinformation in r/conservative. Apparently stating the truth is "mod abuse" for those fascist snowflakes and the Reddit admins support them.
r/conspiracy is probably reddits cash cow for engagement on the site, thats why its on the front page alot of the times.
I miss the days when R/atheism was front page. When that got removed the site went to shit
API stuff. I stopped contributing and started deleting my old comments when they made it clear that third party apps were done. I had been using Stealth to continue following my local regional sub until they locked down old.reddit more recently. Nowadays, when friends try to send me reddit links, I either ignore them or tell them it won't let me see the content.
No story, just dozens (hundreds?) of wasted hours reading slop (the human kind at first, but increasingly also the bot kind later)
not all was slop.
I had shared a few tifu posts that actually did really well you probably read if you frequented that board. I think one of them got around 17k upvotes and was featured on some prominent YouTube channels.
I was on my regional sub Reddit and it turned right-wing real quick. Heard of Lemmy, decide to check it out, after 2-3 months I saw that I was more on Lemmy than Reddit so I deleted it.
In the background the API shit and their opening in the Market was happening so it probably help me to go
I got banned from my state sub by a mod who didn't live here. Dipshit was a mod on nearly thirty subs. Turns out he/she/it was a right wing shill. That came out in the drama right before I jumped ship and came to lemmy full time.
i heard most regional subs have been astroturfed by right wingers, i wouldnt be surprised it came from 1 source.
Made an account here on Lemmy in 2023 after the API stuff.
Then, a year later I got permbanned on reddit for being mean to Nazis, talking shit about Elon Musk, and saying Hans Kristian Graebner (the Neo-Nazi who makes the Stonetoss comics) deserved to have his name leaked on the Internet.
New account was banned a year after that for evasion.
Said fuck it, stopped using reddit and started being active here instead.
I was banned in one sub for pointing out how heavy-handed the mods were being about pedantic shit. They are basement-dwelling asshats.
Pointing out that 3/4 of the posts are old junk from karma whores or even suggesting something is AI generated gets you downvoted to oblivion and people calling you anything but nice.
was banned when I told a Nazi they should "experience the freedom of Auschwitz" if they were true believers. and to not worry about what others have said because "the work you will do there, will set you free".
mods didn't like that and banned me. oh yeah, the Nazi just continued to post white supremacy bullshit.
I spoke out against transphobia on a meme sub, which was met with a rape threat, a racist slur, dog piling and the cherry on top was that I got banned from that sub as well.
Did any of the people blatantly breaking the Reddit TOS get banned?
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Nope. :P
I've been on reddit for 13 or 14 years I think, had my own subreddit dedicated to my cats, then they closed the API and I couldn't use the free and add-free app anymore to manage it.
I was active on a particular sub and got worried that I might have accidentally posted personal info that could make me easier to track down. I asked the mods to delete all of my content from their sub, and they did. they removed everything using the "purge-user" bot.
Suddenly, my account was security-locked, and I was asked to update my email address and password! The problem was that when the security lock was applied, the system replaced the email I had been using with an old, deleted Tutanota email that I no longer used! I had to pay for a Tutanota subscription to recover that email and receive emails from Reddit.
After doing all that and finally updating my email and password, my account was still locked. I submitted appeals several times, but nothing worked.
The gamification of Reddit. Stickers, awards, achievements, all for creating content and engagement, regardless of quality. Now they have actual games in Reddit where you can win awards for... Stuff... I guess. I refuse to engage with any of it.
Deep ties with NFT and crypto. The NFT side died, finally, because nobody really engaged with it. I was given an NFT avatar on Reddit for free, with a whole lot of advertising to engage in lootboxes and such. My response to that was essentially "ok. And fuck you". It's still doing cryptoshit, though, but doesn't advertise it anymore.
Are you a moderator of a loving community? Hate what Reddit has done? Wanna protest? No you can't. If reddit doesn't like your opinion, or you protest against some of their actions, they'll just remove you from the sub you created and the new owner will be some schmuck who agrees to everything.
Got into a thread that was all transphobia. Not the subtle kind, but totally messed up. I was furious nothing was done about it. Glued to my phone, I reported every single one.
Next day I was suspended for abuse of report button. Unfair, but here's the kicker: It was a report 6 months earlier in a different sub, completely different topic.
So these shithead mods let transphobia bullshit slide, then got mad at me for flooding their mod queue, report me, and someone looked through my earlier reports to find something. The reports in that transphobic threads were legit. Mods should have been punished but it was me.
I posted to the DnD 5e subreddit about a contradiction in the rules between how elementals and demons are summoned, suggesting that someone can summon a demon who can summon their own demon and so on, forever. Rules as Written allowed it and Rules as Intended also seemed to allow it given summoning elementals explicitly restricted doing summoning lesser elementals all the way down.
Anyway I got about to about 50 downvotes because I said I would allow a player to summon a demon who could summon a demon (who could potentially summon another demon) because, well, DnD. Fuck me I guess.
In the case of demons they usually have a "roll to disobey" clause. If someone wants to summon a room full of demons go for it, everyone will probably end up dead.
Plus if someone really abused it you can have some demon lord hunt them down and cause even more problems.
Fuck I miss playing DnD. Only Dm'd two small campaigns and I was far from knowledgeable about it but it was fun none the less. Had a friend who actively wanted a deck of many things so I said fuck it I'll put one in the campaign. Well he found it. Immediately drew from it. Drew the one that summons death with -4 Ac something like that. Whole party attacks it and they all get their own death to deal with. Party got wiped. But he kept trying to draw from it during the fight and crazier shit just kept happening I think at one point he had another party member draw and that player got banished from the plane
DND sounds kinda degenerate to play with, im guessing thats why it remains in sucha small group.
This happened years ago before most of the big reddit controversies popped off and before words like incel and red pill were coined. There used to be a medium sized community called /r/foreveralone. It was mostly a community for people who were romantically alone and provided support and semi-edgy memes about it. Mostly though it was a support group by the time I found it. It was a decent community then full of lonely people who mostly encouraged each other and tried to help each other overcome those mental blocks we all set up that keep us from what we want.
Over time though new users started to migrate into the sub offering a different kind of support. They would claim that women were to blame for their lonely state and their rhetoric became increasingly aggrieved and violent. Around this same time /r/redpill was coming into it's prime and sucking many users down a very dark path. The /r/foreveralone community fractured and a schism created two groups within the community, those that wanted it to remain mutual support and chuds that wanted more red pilled content. Unfortunately the chuds won.
Despite many efforts my members of the community and mods to combat the problem nothing worked. I know many users also reached out to the reddit admins for help, but they chose to do nothing. After unmasking who knows how many chuds posting for support only to try to manipulate the community I left and moved on with my life. But it wasn't until months or years later (I can't remember the exact timeline) that the reddit admins squashed /r/redpill and helped the /r/foreveralone community recover their subreddit, but even now it's still fairly poisonous.
Like Facebook and X after them, reddit had a choice to keep the community free of knuckle dragging chuds, but chose not to for some vaguely defined, free speech ideal. That's why reddit sucks.
I wouldn't call it vaguely defined free speech ideal.
Reddit wants more users. It wants them to look more active. Loud mouth chuds give them that. Infact I feel this is why reddit is pushing algorithms hard. It wants more users, and best way to get more users is to trap more and more of them in echo chambers.
Right wing ideologies were very rare to come by on reddit 2-3 years ago. They were small conservative islands. Today reddit's right wing communities are growing fast, and are larger and more numerous than they've ever been. That's what algorithmic recommendations allow you to do. Also destroyed the reddit Hivemind, though I have mixed feelings on that one.
I don't disagree with you, I'd just like to point out my story happened a long time ago. This was before Ellen Pao and Gamergate and most of the reddit controversies younger people remember today. I was in my mid 20's when I was participating in /r/foreveralone and now I'm in my early 40's. Back then /u/spez, when he was still almost universally loved, posted about not banning the red pill community and it's satellites because of free speech which is what ultimately destroyed the forever alone community and allowed the alt-right pipeline to take root.
admins are complicit, they know you were likely fighting against TROLLS/propaganda even, reddit has no interest in dealing with these. currently they are now given AI tools themselves.
only the small niche subs remain pretty quiet, the ones that inundated with posts every few hours.
It's always bothered me how incel's are discussed when really, the group they are referencing are often sexually active but just deeply misogynistic. Meanwhile many people who are closer to the 'forever alone' crowd deserve genuine sympathy. Being lonely sucks, and being unable to 'obtain' a partner is lonely.
Beyond that - some people will just throw out 'incel' as a catch all for "took issue with any pro-woman or pro-lgbt statement".
Yeah, incel today has more angry loner vibes than anything. It was never a really good term though because involuntary celibate is not an accurate way to describe either the modern chuds or the older /r/foreveralone community members. It's got misogyny baked right in because it externalizes the cause of isolation when in most cases those folks are their own worst enemy when it comes to dating.
The /r/foreveralone community had a somewhat derogatory term to describe it, terminally special. So many of the people who would come to the community looking for help or support would receive pretty excellent and sometimes very personalized advise and do nothing but explain how their specific circumstances meant they couldn't use dating apps or join a group around a hobby or whatever. They preferred to remain isolated rather than leave their comfort zone and where experts at making excuses.
Those folks are one of the reasons the red pill message was so successful in the community. It didn't require them to change anything about how they were approaching dating. It's picky women or alpha males or whatever and never themselves.
This reminds me of something I heard many years ago, "people love to hear good things about their bad habits." It unfortunately doesn't surprise me that red pill won out. Those who don't want to do and self work are prime targets. Those who are overwhelmed by the work but still are willing to do it, can still get sucked in. Humans are fascinating. Even if that fascination isn't all good.
unfortunately those "forever' alone get draw into the incel manosphere and become mysogynist themselves. its in games too, where people get talk to other characthers, yucky incel talks.
Ive been shadow banned for talking about maker stuff before. Multiple times. It trips their algorithm because it looks like hacks.
I used to use the api to recommend other subreddits based on other subreddits. That lasted for years until that day.
I contributed to better reddit back in the day.
And then the lost me. They dont care I get it. But because of that the fediverse is nipping at their heels. And I'm staying.
Banned for pushing back against the claim that "from the river to the sea" is genocidal. I didn't push back especially strongly (because I suspect that sometimes it does have genocidal intent) nor did I say it in my own voice (I only quoted it - because I think that, even though it's usually not genocidal, it is nevertheless maximalist and aggressive and therefore unhelpful). This was in the immediate aftermath of October 7 and got me banned from two of the big subs I frequented the most.
It actually left a big hole in my life and I felt very down every time I thought about it. On one sub I'd left thousands of comments over years, and I knew that the mods who'd taken that away didn't have a second thought for that. I'd already tried Lemmy once due to API/app nonsense but this was what pushed me off.
The really annoying thing was that the ban message says you should message the mods if you have questions. In neither case was it really clear, actually, what the reason was - one quoted a rule, but not what they thought broke it, and the other quoted a sentence, but not what rule they thought it broke. I suspect that I never broke any identifiable rule because in those early days there was very little support for Palestinians and I was trying to talk to people where they were, not where I wished they were.
I'm honestly just not very informed on the israel/palestein conflict. But isn't the whole "river to the sea" thing about expanding Israel by displacing palesteins?
Is your position just that displacement is not the same as genocide?
I don't really think that Reddit sucks. But it's not the best option out there for me any more, which is why I'm here instead. I'd rather be using an open-source, distributed system with a variety of clients.
Months before the API shit, I and like 90% of the users in a comment thread on a post of a woman wearing a shirt that said something like "perform your civic duty: punch a nazi" praising the shirt's message were banned with dubious reasons. I appealed multiple times until it was reversed, but in that appeal process it became clear that the admin team itself had a huge nazi problem. I jumped onto Lemmy as soon as I heard about it after that.
I quit with the API bullshit but I first started realizing Reddit sucked when an admin threatened to ban me after I reported a fascist troll running a bunch of sockpuppets. The troll I guess was friends with a mod who was friends with this admin, I don't really know what the deal was but the result was they got me in trouble for abusing moderation. I kept reporting the troll and their accounts eventually got nuked by Reddit a few weeks later, I was never banned or contacted by an admin again.
Sam Altman partially owns it. Reddit is selling every user's comments directly to OpenAI with no way for them to opt out of AI training. 'Nuff said.
openai and GOOGLE to be exact. but OPENAi stopped participating, which was the drop in traffic and resulted in REDDIT forcing logins now, also at the same time googles try to force you to use your phone to have a google account. they did this at the same time.
What stops them from crawling this site though?
Probably nothing, but at least the people running our instances aren’t directly involved in doing it to us. The people behind this community aren’t pretending that it’s OK to exploit other people who are just trying to connect with each other. And even if OpenAI still slurps up our data, Sam Altman and the other AI billionaires don’t make as much money off of us because they don’t own Lemmy.world and don’t profit off of any deals or ads here. These things make a big difference to me.
Started receiving temp bans from the more reputable news subs for not letting obvious MAGAts get away with awful language without throwing it back at them. One shouldn't be punished for fighting the very enemy of free speech and human rights.
I cant remember which sub it was, but I posted something along the line of "If Israel doesn't stop this genocide, they're gonna find out soon."
I was perma banned by a zionist mod for inciting violence.
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