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[–] 63 points 1 month ago (2 children)

For those who need to know more:

Local media have reported that the institute has subsequently been locked down, with staff forced to sleep on the floor and on chairs. “They’ve been isolating everybody since Friday – more than 60 people,” one relative, Roman, told the news portal Siberia.Realities.

He said family members were allowed to drop off food at a checkpoint while tests were carried out inside the building. Similar quarantine restrictions have been placed on several other hospitals in and around the city.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/oct/05/russia-lab-worker-possibly-dies-of-plague-siberia-quarantine-measures-irkutsk

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  • [–] 26 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    At least this time around they seem to be treating it seriously instead of trying to cover it up to save face I guess?

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  • [–] 14 points 1 month ago

    They do both "nothing to see here" while trying their worst best to contain it.

    My money is on them shipping infected people to the front lines while saying they are just in quarantine.

    A few weeks later "oh noes they all ded frum virus" meanwhile they just spread it to all their own troops while claiming it's just a flu and everyone is fine.

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  • [–] 79 points 1 month ago

    I think I've seen this before.

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  • 3.6 Roentgen PPM, not great, not terrible

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  • [–] 26 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Funnily enough, this isn’t even the worst leak of a disease from a lab in Russia. That honor (probably) going to the Sverdlovsk anthrax leak in 1979 which killed at least 68 people.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago

    US military spread bacteria over the west coast in operation sea spray in 1950. 11 hopitalized. One dead.

    Scientists told the military that post war nuclear testing should occur off the east coast because of prevailing winds. Military: fuck you and here's your cancer.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 month ago (8 children)
  • [–] 30 points 1 month ago (7 children)

    From the HBO show Chernobyl. It's really well made and worth watching.

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  • [–] 23 points 1 month ago

    I've never seen a more accurate depiction of my typical experience in a professional environment. "Nobody wants to speak up or handle things correctly because someone senior with direct responsibility for your employment shouted down any dissent because they want to meet a metric" is apparently a timeless experience.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    The show was very well done, but it implies this was history. That mass of reactor is still burning underground, and Russian bombs have damaged the sarcophagus covering it. The remaining reactors are still in use.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    burning

    no, it's not. if it was burning something would be coming out. melting might be a description, but it's not even doing that.... smouldering maaaybe?

    you are 100% correct that russia is playing stupid games with their radiological fuckup, and that should stop immidiately.

    re: remaining reactors - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernobyl_Nuclear_Power_Plant

    according to wiki they have been decommissioned and are in a state of cool down; power needs to be maintained in order to keep cooling pumps going for the reactor cores; but power is not being generated and comes from off site.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago

    I first watched it on an airplane. Swapping between the seat screen and my phone. Great show. Can't wait to watch it again someday

    Then I watched it on a big(?) ((I guess 60inch?) TV at home. Great show. Let's make sure I'm in the right mental space before I rewatch the show...)

    mild spoilers for history I guess

    The hospital scenes on a much bigger screen. Seeing the (I know its all dramatised) impact of lies on a bigger screen really affected me.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 month ago

    Every lie that is told incurs a debt to the truth. A debt that shall one day be repaid.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 month ago

    sigh

    I'll get the 400 tons of sand and boron.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    WHO is still asking Russia for more details, including what actually caused the lab worker's death and reports of a second pneumonia case.

    https://twitee.co/DrTedros/status/2107591815863968121

    So I guess we're still at the "not enough information" stage.

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  • [–] 23 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    Just finished watching this and it's one of the best miniseries I've seen. It did such an incredible job of portraying the oppressiveness of the Soviet state and its impact on its citizens. I found it a bit soul crushing seeing the parallels to what's currently happening in the US when ideology comes first.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 month ago (7 children)

    the people in wuhan said the same thing just before things expanded out of control

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    I still remember reading reddit threads about what looked like mass incineration of human remains and the speculations thereabout.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    wasnt that for ebola in africa?

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago

    It was definitely some random scary bullshit on the internet that co-mingled the two. But so much of the hype in the early days of COVID ended up being FUD used by the administration to justify draconian anti-immigration policies. We had FOX News screaming about Leprosy and "Mexican Flu" being transmitted by Migrant Caravans decades before that. Any disease outbreak became an excuse to hyper-police people entering the US at the borders.

    Part of the problem with all this disease discourse is that it's routinely anti-foreigner agitprop. This goes straight back to The Spanish Flu, which originated from a Haskell County, Kansas pig farm and got spread across Europe by WW1-era US soldiers. It became major weapon of the 20th century reactionary right to ban Italian Immigrants way back then. Now we see disease scares used to freeze out everyone from Taiwan to Brazil to Afganistan. If anyone is sick anywhere, it's an excuse to ban migrants everywhere.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    No, but it did involve George Clooney's satellites for darfur. This was around new years and we'll before anyone even thought about viruses.

    They had some sort of images of lots of dirt that got moved and some sort of chemical spectrum analysis from... somewhere idk, but the ne of the chemicals was something that occurs when bodies are burned.

    The general thought was that it was anti Chinese conspiracy kind of building off the Uyghur, but it was in a different place, or a new ethnic realignment of similar ilk.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago

    when Russia admitting an accident was news itself!

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago

    I dont like the sound of it

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  • [–] 8 points 1 month ago

    2019: The Sequel - 7 Years Later ☣️

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  • [–] 10 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    That was Ukraine though. I guess still USSR.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago*

    Lies are what bind people into a manufactured reality that stymies their ability to live free and meaningful lives.

    If we run with the cost trope, look at lies like a shady drug deal.

    You are angry and want to buy some satisfaction. You lost your job, or can't buy a house, the cost of living is too high. Whatever it is, you are looking for relief.

    So a a shady dealer offers you a lie to give you some relief. You give them some personal freedom monthly and they sell you "immigration did this to you" and it works for awhile. But you start to realize the immigration story doesn't hit the same way. You look for relief in new lies. So you give the dealer more freedom, and buy "its not just immigrants, its obviously trans people." Yeah that's it, those trans people are turning the steel factories into drag theaters, wrecking the economy. "Damn!" You think. "Its not my fault, its them!" The relief you get from the lies hooks you more.

    The hook is powerful. But you're never satisfied and you need more lies as your brain adjusts, maybe even protests. You've got to shut it up, and you start to conflate your issues with freedom itself. You're happy to give more freedoms over to the dealer for relief through even grander lies.

    The relief will always be temporary, but you don't even realize that any more.

    You'll never solve the problems that plagued you and you'll die angry and depressed. Maybe if you gave up just a little more freedom, you could have had a better life. You never awaken to reality that the people taking your freedoms are the ones ruining your life. The lies were too powerful, too addictive, and they rewired you to willingly accept your own servititude.

    That's the cost of lies.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago (12 children)

    Maybe they'll do the same thing as China. Leaving their international airports functional while locking down their cities, intentionally infecting as many places as possible. And then legit Xi goes on air to scold other nations telling them they need to learn how to do international cooperation.

    Everything was closed in Wuhan except outbound international flights.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 month ago (10 children)

    Leaving their international airports functional while locking down their cities, intentionally infecting as many places as possible.

    Are we still doing Wuhan Lab Leak Theory? Wasn't that debunked ages ago as some Trumpie lie pushed to deflect our own abysmal COVID response?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago* (2 children)

    I think there's just not enough information to say with confidence one way or the other. Biden commissioned a report that was inconclusive, in part because of non-cooperation from the Chinese government. From Wikipedia:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assessment_on_COVID-19_Origins

    Updated Assessment on COVID-19 Origins is a report of the United States Intelligence Community regarding the origin of the SARS-CoV-2 virus, which was commissioned on May 26, 2021, by President Joe Biden and submitted on August 24.[1]

    Biden initially ordered his intelligence services to "redouble efforts" to investigate the virus's origin.[2] The report, which was released on August 27, noted that the Intelligence Community did not reach a unanimous conclusion on the origin of the virus, with four agencies determining that the index case was likely a result of natural exposure, with another agency considering it as the result of a laboratory incident, although the community overall agreed that it was not linked to biological warfare. The community concluded that a conclusive investigation would require cooperation with the Chinese government.[1][3] Analysts considered that the investigation proved incapable of reaching a definitive conclusion on the origins of COVID-19, and the report was criticized by Chinese officials.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Biden commissioned a report that was inconclusive, in part because of non-cooperation from the Chinese government.

    Wasn't the United States involved in spreading misinformation about Chinese COVID vaccines at the time of this research?

    The clandestine operation has not been previously reported. It aimed to sow doubt about the safety and efficacy of vaccines and other life-saving aid that was being supplied by China, a Reuters investigation found. Through phony internet accounts meant to impersonate Filipinos, the military’s propaganda efforts morphed into an anti-vax campaign. Social media posts decried the quality of face masks, test kits and the first vaccine that would become available in the Philippines – China’s Sinovac inoculation.

    Reuters identified at least 300 accounts on X, formerly Twitter, that matched descriptions shared by former U.S. military officials familiar with the Philippines operation.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago*

    If true, that does not address the point that the necessary facts aren't known, and therefore one can't conclusively know whether the source of the virus is natural transmission or a lab leak.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago* (4 children)

    Are we still doing Wuhan Lab Leak Theory? Wasn't that debunked ages ago

    There was an attempt at debunking the lab leak theory early on with a nature article saying we do not believe any type of laboratory-based scenario is plausible. Then there was a rejected DARPA research proposal detailing exactly how the laboratory-based scenario is possible.

    Lab origin has not been proven but there is no natural zoonotic path to Wuhan. Lab encouraged gain of function with in species reproduction seems most likely.

    Half the US intelligence agencies support the lab origin theory.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    there is no natural zoonotic path to Wuhan

    How do you get from "we don't think the disease naturally originated in Wuhan" to "China engineered a virus, released it in their own city, and then used that as a vector for malicious infection of the rest of the world"?

    Half the US intelligence agencies support the lab origin theory.

    They also insisted Iraq had nuclear weapons.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (2 children)

    How do you get from "we don't think the disease naturally originated in Wuhan" to "China engineered a virus, released it in their own city, and then used that as a vector for malicious infection of the rest of the world"?

    I didn't. You invented all of that.

    Accidents happen even in level 4 biolabs. The is no need for you to be sinophobic.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    We know Covid originated in Wuhan.

    That's never been confirmed.

    Neither has the "no natural zoonotic path" bit, incidentally.

    Accidents happen even in level 4 biolabs.

    And we're back to Wuhan Lab Leak Theory.

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  • A natural zoonotic path does not (yet) exist. It is correct to say none has been found.

    the Huanan Market in Wuhan was the early and main epicentre of SARS‐CoV‐2 infection.

    There you are.

    there is no indication that the Wuhan Institute of Virology had studied viruses similar to SARS‐CoV‐2 or artificially modified coronaviruses before the COVID‐19 pandemic

    This part of the paper is out of date. We now know there was a subaward to the Wuhan Institute of Virology in Wuhan, to understand how bat coronaviruses have the potential to become transmissible to the human population.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago

    This has nothing to do with lab leak theory. This is what China actually did. They think in terms of comparison with other countries and they didn't want to be the only country with covid, regardless of the origin.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago

    China continues to withhold data from the WHO regarding the outbreak in Wuhan. That in itself is not proof, but now, seven years into the pandemic, I personally find it suspicious. The other indicators supporting the lab-origin theory are well known. Aside from the incompetence of the Trump I administration, it seems that some intelligence agencies still subscribe to this theory.

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  • [+] -32 points 1 month ago (45 children)

    Any information to the contrary, or is it just more propagandist hype?

    Russia is hiding all the plague victims? Seriously?

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  • [–] 39 points 1 month ago (20 children)

    Mostly hype. Plague isn’t that virulent with modern precautions and antibiotics, and Russia’s response has been to swiftly quarantine hundreds of people. Plague occurs naturally on occasion, and is largely a known threat.

    Most of the hype has been speculation around this case being a bioweapon combined with distrust in Russian institutions generally.

    I’m not one to trust Russia generally, but I don’t see much evidence that this is more than a nothing burger blown out of proportion by growing anti-Russia sentiment due to their invasion of Ukraine.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Authoritarian regimes are a breeding ground for shitty cover-ups

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kursk_submarine_disaster

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    I mean. You could have just linked Chernobyl.

    I don’t doubt that there would be some degree of cover-up if there was an escalating situation. I just don’t see any reason why it would be escalating.

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  • [+] -16 points 1 month ago (3 children)
  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Gross, don't link dw. Basically muscovite propaganda now.

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  • [+] -46 points 1 month ago (12 children)

    I think Ukraine itself is a symptom of a bigger contagion, virulent capitalist greed that will kill us all.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 month ago (7 children)

    I'm surprised to not see DR Congo on the list.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago* (2 children)

    DRC has much of one of the things listed, rare earth minerals.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Yeah I knew it was mostly rare earth metals and some amount of oil. I was just surprised to not see them on the list because it seems to be focused on USD value of natural resources.

    Nevertheless it is an interesting chart, so thank you.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    I mean it is, but Russia was giving up its resources for pennies ever since the 90s, this framing is a bit weird.

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  • [+] -15 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    I think if that was true then there'd be no adversarial relationship with Russia, like attention to Venezuela disappeared overnight with them folding to Trump.

    The Arctic thawing is opening up access to a vast trove of natural resources. The fabled Northwest Passage is about to finally become a reality. This is why Trump wants Canada and Greenland. There's only three nations, and Denmark has already folded.

    Russia has changed quite a bit since Putin took leadership, and for the better. Like it or not, it's why Russians like him.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Russia has changed quite a bit since Putin took leadership, and for the better

    Well yeah compared to the borderline failed state that was 90s Russia, that's not a difficult task, accomplished by getting the other billionaires to keep 1% of the wealth they're extracting in the country.

    This is why Trump wants

    Trump is literally senile. There might be people in his administration who feel that way, but the administration's policy is so demented I don't think we can attribute clear motivations to anything.

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  • [+] -11 points 1 month ago

    I dunno. He got Venezuela and Greenland. I didn't think either would work, but here we are.

    Do you think a Dem administration would let go of either if they took power? I don't think so.

    The last days of humanity will be a violent struggle over dwindling resources to feed billionaires' greed.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 month ago (23 children)

    Hi Mr. Local Area Man. Funny of you to show up in yet another thread claiming that Russia is being preyed upon by the west again.

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  • [+] -9 points 1 month ago (22 children)
  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (21 children)

    Hey man, I'm just saying, maybe Putin shouldn't have orchestrated apartment bombings, sold former soviet assets to oligarchs, own several luxurious properties throughout your country, had political dissidents and opponents assassinated (inside and outside of Russia) took extreme efforts to install pro-Putin leaders in other countries, make all displays of LGBTQ pride and education illegal, control the entire media system, and not relinquish power ever.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago* (20 children)

    Let's say your wildest accusations against this foreign Emuel Goldstein boogieman were true. You're saying that the West wouldn't want to destroy Russia and take all their shit? As if. Everything you accuse Russia of doing is true for America or the dictatorships we foster. We're currently arming over 80% of all dictatorships. The only difference is that they're willingly giving us their natural resources.

    Weird how no one talks about Venezuela anymore. That propaganda sure dried up quick after they turned over their oil fields to corporations.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago* (19 children)

    Like I said the last time we spent a week in a thread going back and forth, I can do this forever. You know I can.

    You already established you aren't American, and CERTAINLY aren't culturally progressive. You claim it, every single time, say "we're doing x." "We do x." You don't even realize you're on a European instance do you?

    I didn't claim Russia was doing SHIT this time. I merely responded that you claim Russia is a victim of the west.

    Putin, and his Kremlin are the problem for Russians. Vladamir Putin, specifically.

    The rest of the world worries about Russians because of what Putin has done to them to enrich himself.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago (18 children)

    The rest of the world?

    And even then, that's just Western oligarchs dictating policies we have no say in.

    What happens when you ask the people who the biggest threat is?

    You're a minority within a minority, lapping up lies from the Epstein Billionaire Class.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (17 children)

    And that's the part I find funny. You simply cannot comprehend, or allow, that because I dissent from not just the current regime, but most administrations of the U.S., that I must be eating up the propaganda.

    Its not even odd to you is it? The U.S.A currently has a very pro-Putin regime. Yet the U.S.A is doing exactly what you are pointing out.

    I mean, fuck, the Trump family has made significant money IN Russia. The Kremlin, the sole authority in Russia could stop that cash in an instant. Why don't they?

    But I mention the cruelty of Putin, and you get all bent out of shape. Putin is a victim of western propaganda.

    Do you need a list I have of 64 people who the Kremlin successfully assassinated? Or just the ones within Russia?

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  • [–] -3 points 1 month ago (16 children)

    If Russia has something on Trump then good for them. 👍

    I've seen the opposition we support in Russia. Navalny marches is fascist Imperial Russia rallies because they are the opposition. The dude called Muslims vermin and cockroaches.

    I don't like the idea of supporting fascists in other nations, but we did start it. America has been fostering fascism in Europe since WWII ended.

    The big winner is fascists everywhere.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago* (15 children)

    Did... you... not remember our last conversation?

    Edit: I'm kind of hurt.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (13 children)

    No, you owe an actual explanation for your support of Putin.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 month ago* (12 children)

    I support democracy, and that aligns in the Donbass secession after the coup

    Explain how you oppose democracy more than this Emanuel Goldstein boogieman you're so worked up about.

    I also love seeing fascists get rekt. Watching Chechens stack Azov Battalion corpses like cordwood on the streets of Mariupol was epic.

    😗👌

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (11 children)

    But why do you support Putin? He's worth what, $200 billion? If he's that rich, and Russians are poorer than Americans, it's pretty obvious he doesn't give two shits about Russians.

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  • [–] -2 points 1 month ago (10 children)

    I don't support Putin, regardless of your wild claims.

    I support democratic secession in the Donbass after a coup.

    I support healthcare as a right also. If Trump miraculously decides to enact Medicare For All that doesn't make me a Trump supporter, but corporate Dems would sure try making that connection.

    Democracy is a very simple principle.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago (9 children)

    But you support his invasion into Ukraine?

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  • [–] -1 points 1 month ago (8 children)

    The Donetsk and Luhansk Peoples Republics, Crimea, stopped being "Ukraine" the moment Banderites stormed the capitol. They're not serfs.

    People have a right to exist, not nations.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago (7 children)

    So you support his violent means to attempt to take land to destroy nations?

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  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago (6 children)

    The violent means began with a U.S. bankrolled fascist coup.

    But yeah, fuck nations. Fascism is the inevitable conclusion to all nationalism.

    Destroy all nations.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago* (5 children)

    Ok, so I know you keep repeating the exact same thing every single time, but I do find it absolutely hilarious (like comedic) that a "U.S. bankrolled fascist coup" that led to 108 protestors and 13 government enforcers dying is how you justify 2,000,000 casualties (amongst both sides) in the invasion of Ukraine. Like come on dude, that is some insane mental gymnastics. I know for a fact, from Russian immigrants to the U.S., that Russians have an extremely complex view of their country, and socially cannot express anything except nationalist views.

    But my question remains unanswered: why do you support Putin's extreme measures, yet claim to not support Putin?

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  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    There's not much in this world worth killing and dying for, but the democratic right of self determination seems to be one of them.

    At least, that's what I was taught growing up by civics teachers in American public schools.

    You've obviously never had to make that choice, but you seem to think you can for other people.

    Are you talking about how Nazi symbology is banned in Russia? What's censored?

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  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    No, I'm talking about how Vladimir Putin caused so much death, and you cannot dissent from agreeing with Putin's policies of death.

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