Get one of these babies for less than the price of 2 grams!

These were sold in the 70s and 80s, and still show up on auction sites. Here's a photo of a real one.

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[–] 32 points 1 month ago (6 children)

$180 in Gerald Ford money is insane...

Like with all the other advancements, it's crazy to think something as basic as this was $180 back then, even after adding the "it's for drugs" premium.

Like, it's just a tiny hotplate with a digital display. Technically it's a "scientific instrument" but so is a spray bottle if it's in a lab

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  • [–] [S] 27 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Taking 1975 as a base, it'd be over $1100 in 2026 USD.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 month ago*

    Damn, so a gram was like $550 back then (in 2026 dollars)?!

    No wonder crack was such a big deal, no one would spend enough on coke to try it.

    Which really lays a lot more of the blame not just for America's drug epidemic but even just the existence of modern cartels at the feet of the CIA, since they're the ones who started the crack epidemic.

    That allowed cartels to scale up and be able to import to the point where a gram was less than $100 even if it melts at 208.

    Edit:

    Just shocked cocaine is apparently one of the most inflation resistant consumable products...

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Where’s the digital display? Isn’t it just a mercury thermometer?

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago

    That's even crazier, I kind of assumed you just couldn't see it without being lit up and that glass stick was some kind of stir stick.

    But you're right, it's a mercury thermometer you plug in.

    The price is even more wild.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    As a swede reading Höt böx 🤣😂🤣😂

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  • [–] 12 points 1 month ago (16 children)

    I'm dead 😵 I thought it was a therman, but the truth is sooooo much better!

    Bonus fact: When I saw the MP test in Blow? I thought it was fake because I didn't know that much about analytical chemistry at the time. It's not.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    This clip was the first thing that came to my mind, and looking at their device it looks like the exact same one shown here.

    https://youtu.be/2biQuiMgmnk

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Oh yeah, totally! Didn't even realize that. Also forgot that was Bobcat :-)

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    LOL... looks like I misspelled it. If you're a fan of Star Trek TOS, or honestly most vintage Scifi it's the warbeling noise you hear in the soundtrack.

    A type of synth that you played by moving your hands in relation to a metal antenna.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago* (4 children)

    I have seen Angelo of Fishbone fame rock the shi out of one right after I was handed an illicit substance, which cued me to christen it a GOD-WAND!

    The documentary shows so many other excellent applications.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 weeks ago (3 children)

    Which documentary... I just keep getting hits for a '70's women in prison movie 😂

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  • [–] 2 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

    Sorry, it's in here somewhere. This link should take you to comment where I posted IMDB and image. https://sh.itjust.works/post/67951901/27933731

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  • [–] 11 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    I have an actual melting point apparatus, Thermo Scientific, IIRC. You need to use capillary tubes for your samples (very, very small amounts). You also need to check the calibration occasionally against known substances. I do recall something testing very far out of range - like 20C or something - because the sample wasn't properly dehydrated first. I don't recall if I ever got around to doing that and re-testing or not.

    Point is, this isn't really a very accurate way of checking your melting point.

    And MP alone doesn't give you a ton of information. Lots of things can melt in the same range.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    Then there's the complication that if your sample isn't pure and the impurity has a lower melting point than the substance you're testing for, once the impurity goes into the liquid phase it is likely to dissolve the other substances.

    So I'm not sure how they would substantiate the claim that you can use melting point measurements to discern and even quantify impurities.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    You absolutely can not use it to quantify impurities. All you can really do is say whether it starts and finished melting in a range that's consistent with the claimed substance. It's a starting point, and that's all. But if you're melting fairly far out of range - like 3C or more - and you know that your equipment is correctly calibrated, then you know that there's some kind of significant issue.

    For illicit drugs, there are a few services in the EU that I'm aware of that will run a form of quantitative testing, HPLC and mass spectrometry. IIRC - I know nothing about analytical chemistry - they need a pure sample to compare against; they can't just run their tests and then search a giant database and tell you what you have. But if you have a few kilos of MDMA, and you're worried about it being contaminated with fentanil, it's definitely worth the couple hundred dollars it costs.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago

    hplc-ms can definitely be used with just a database since the ms fragmentation pattern is characteristic for a given compound. it's more accurate with some internal standard especially for quantification but there's typically a uv-vis absorption spectrometer module too so you can compare against the database ε as long as all the peaks are well separated and you can identify them from the ms. but the margin of error will be a lot higher than getting the offset of your analyte from a set of standards of known concentration.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago

    You're absolutely right, although in my experience 3 C is not a huge span when it comes to m.p. determinations. Even a 1% impurity can throw off a measurement, and that's why melting points are often given as a range rather than a single number in the literature.

    Nowadays, you absolutely can run an unknown sample against a test battery and find composition and quantity down to a pretty good degree. There are test kits for the powder/solution as well as for blood samples. In the case of blood samples they also focus on metabolites. The motivation is that if someone arrives at the hospital with an adverse drug reaction, if they have used illicit drugs the only way to figure out what they have in their system may be to check against the metabolites in their blood.

    The gist of it is that the chromatography equipment will separate the components into "pure" fractions, which are called "peaks". That will be a Liquid Chromatograph (LC), its High Pressure version (HPLC), or for some sample matrices a Gas Chromatograph (GC).

    What actually happens is that different components move at different speeds throughout the column, so they leave the column ("elute") at different times. Commonly this stream is then connected directly to a detector, and for this type of application the Mass Spectrometer (MS) is the workhorse.

    It works by turning the sample into a vapor and then bombarding it with electrons which causes the molecules to disintegrate in a signature pattern. The stream of ionized molecule fragments is accelerated perpendicular to a voltage (like how an old CRT TV works), which means that fragments with lower mass will change their trajectory more than fragments with higher mass. (The charge of each fragment also matters here.)

    Finally the fragments hit a detector array which registers counts for the different fragment masses that were in the molecule for that fraction from the chromatograph.

    Here's the cool part: the mass fragment signature is such a good fingerprint of a molecule that it can be compared to a database with tens of thousands of known substances, and usually give a pretty good match. Also, an analytical chemist that is experienced in MS can often figure out what molecule they're looking at just from the mass spectrum and maybe a couple of simple hints.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    Man I love the 70's wood aesthetic. When is that going to make a comeback?

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    The saddest part is that some much of the know-how for how to make something like that box consistently every time is pretty much gone, at least for a reasonable price. You need a robot to make that box now.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago*

    This is insane. Did OP find it in High Times magazine?

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago

    ... certain crystalline materials

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  • [–] [S] 15 points 1 month ago

    According to one of the auction house listings I encountered, it tests the purity of... you know... powdered substances ... by measuring the melting points of various ingredients.

    So that you can make sure your all purpose baking flour is pure, I assume.

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  • Dealers HATE it when you pull out this bad boy, seriously it's a huge buzzkill I wouldn't recommend it

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago

    If you are spending on keys, its a no-brainer.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    Itt a shocking number of people know a lot about meth

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (19 children)

    Don't be ignorant. Responsible users always test their recreational drugs before using them. Junkies just take whatever without using a testing kit. That's just stupid and irresponsible, especially today. Fentanyl is cheap and abundant, so shitty dealers put it in everything to make it stronger, even stimulants like cocaine.

    So don't be a junkie. Test your drugs.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago

    Melting point is a range, not a single temperatures. Very small amounts of fentanyl aren't going to change that range enough to really register. You would need to use another test, probably a chemical reagent, to check for fentanyl. Or send your drugs out to be tested by high-pressure liquid chromatography and mass spectrometry.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    responsible users

    Bit of an oxymoron there...

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago* (1 child)

    Bro I am not going to have this argument a second time in the same thread. So to save me the mental anguish of countering your uninformed claim, I implore you to please read my replies to Pratai@piefied.com who basically said the exact same thing as you. I only have so much patience for ignorance.

    Blocking you too now. Goodbye.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago*

    Your replies where you implied that anyone who drinks alcohol or takes a medically approved medicine tests it before use, and descended into incoherent rambling and ad-hominems when challenged..?

    Already read them, thanks; didn't see any convincing arguments.

    No such thing as responsible recreational drug use (and that includes alcohol, tobacco, caffeine, and any other legal addictive drug, including medicines except under the supervision of a doctor).

    You're not special. If you use addictive drugs your risk of getting addicted is the same as anyone else's, no matter how “responsible” you are. Chemistry is not subjective.

    And in most cases (especially in the case of alcohol and tobacco, but also with most other recreational drugs that affect brain function or produce toxic fumes) you'll eventually become a danger to yourself and probably others. That's literally the opposite of being responsible.

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  • [+] -6 points 1 month ago (14 children)

    There is no such thing as responsible drug use. So gtfo with that apologist rhetoric.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago (11 children)

    Ah you have all surgery performed awake?

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  • [–] -2 points 1 month ago (10 children)

    How fucking ignorant. I’m not even entering that dumb shit.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago* (9 children)

    Hey, you're the one who made the ignorant statement that there is no responsible drug use. What's ignorant is you deciding that some drugs are acceptable while others aren't just because you don't like them. Drugs are drugs are drugs. Just because some of them make you feel good, doesn't inherently make the use of them irresponsible. Most drugs—recreational or otherwise—will kill you if you take enough of it. You've been letting the fear mongerers brainwash you. Stop listening to them.

    Don't forget to take your meds before you comment again.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (8 children)

    “take yOuR mEdS…”

    Ffs… grow up. I don’t play what about games with kids. You know damn well I’m not talking about legal medicinal drugs.

    Defend junkies all you want. But I think they’re fucking deplorable.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (6 children)

    Okay fine that part was unnecessary, but you need to actually read what I said. I provided a counter-argument, you ignored it entirely, and then focused on the insult and not my actual point. And then you just repeated the same argument again. I heard you.

    So I apologize for the dig, but you need to address my response. Please, let's have a real debate.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (5 children)

    There is no debate. Recreational drug use is is not a thing. It’s a hand-wave. It’s apoligia.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago* (4 children)

    Well then we're done here, because it's clear to me that you won't listen to any sort of logic or reason.

    You are beyond brainwashed, my friend. There is no helping you. You are going to believe what you want to believe, no matter what I say. And that really upsets and disappoints me.

    I mean I can't even begin to imagine living a life being as stubborn in my beliefs as you are. You poor thing; you must be miserable seeing other people do things that you can't stand to see, because you refuse to open your mind and listen to their side of the argument.

    I pity you, I really do. I hope that one day you will see the errors in your thought process, and start having more productive conversations with people you disagree with, so that you can have a less narrow-minded perspective of how the world works.

    Best of luck to you, my fellow human.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    We never started here. Didn’t read the rest.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago*

    Okay fine that part was unnecessary, but you need to actually read what I said. I provided a counter-argument, you ignored it entirely, and then focused on the insult and not my actual point.

    So I apologize for that, but you need to address my response.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    So you consider any amount of drug use to be irresponsible? Someone who has one or two drinks is just as irresponsible as someone who gets blackout drunk? Even if you don't consider alcohol to be a drug, surely this logic applies to other recreational psychoactive substances, no?

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