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[–] 44 points 1 month ago (20 children)

People don't remember that the whole world used to smell like cigarettes.

Ever go to a casino in Las Vegas? Like that, but everywhere all the time.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    Do they allow smoking inside at Las Vegas? I always wanted to go there. Not anymore if that's the case

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  • [–] 11 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

    Yeah, you're not going to find casino floors (with some minimal exceptions) smoke free in Vegas. Chain smoking slot grannies are like a majority of their revenue.

    While your playing at the low risk $10 a hand blackjack table, Margaret is over there on the penny slot machine with her pile of cigarette butts betting $12 a spin, and spinning 100 times before your hand is over.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

    Even their airport smells like cigarettes. Honestly, the LV airport is the nastiest, dirtiest one I've ever seen (and not in a good way, lol)

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    the one thing i remember from the last time i was there was the penny slots at the departure gates.... they literally want you to leave every cent you have behind

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago

    I was born in Vegas, and yeah, its ain't just the airport. Like we'd go to Kmart or the laundry mat and there were slot machines. When I was 4 and moved to Phoenix that's what I thought was so weird about Arizona was no slot machines.

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  • [+] -11 points 1 month ago (12 children)

    Used to? Oh you naive summer child.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 month ago (10 children)

    Dude I'm 26 and got to smell the dying drag of that era. It doesn't smell nearly as much like cigarettes, at least in my neck of the woods in SoCal don't know how much the Finns or Franks smoke so mayhaps it's different elsewhere.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    I've got a dozen years on you and you're lucky to have only caught the tail end of it. I had to put up with the whole world smelling until I was 18.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago

    Fuck, don't envy you on that one. I used to work estate sales and holy shit every third house smelt of dust and decades old cigarette smoke, felt like puking the entire time I was working those ones anytime they had a garage I was in there and not the house proper.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (6 children)

    Not everywhere are people so polite and kind. EVERYONE here lights up. People smoke in cafe's, I cant eat in a burger place without smoke forcing me to cough.

    They laugh at me for coughing, I'm allergic to the stuff.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago*

    It's not out of kindness, it's laws that many cities and states passed in the 00s to ban smoking in various places (and eventually everywhere indoors altogether in most places).

    I think it's a state and local level thing here though, so it's going to vary by location. I'm referring to the US if it wasn't clear.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    I think it's less so a matter of politeness or kindness and moreso because one of the few great projects within the US over the last 50 years was the war on smoking. From the banning of smoking adverts to the anti-smoking PSAs of the late 00s and 2010s there's been a consistent push against cigarettes specifically, also it's expensive with high taxes noone has the cash for that.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    How did this even happen in America of all places anyway? I'd 100% vote for it here.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago

    A mix of the collapse of the tabaco lobby, economics, and a general cultural trend away from addictive narcotics since it's also affecting alcohol. Also I suspect the broad decriminalization of weed and it's general cultural acceptance probably helps.

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  • [–] 156 points 1 month ago (26 children)

    There have been, like, five societal things that have improved since the 90s, and banning smoking in basically all public spaces is one of them.

    I can't even imagine air travel before the smoking ban. Mega yuck.

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  • [–] 40 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    It wasn't pleasant. I was a kid and didn't fly much. but I did experience it.

    Because everyone smoked everywhere, you were at least used to it. Airplanes are super well ventilated, not enough to make it pleasant, but enough that you weren't feeling like you were going to die when they all lit up.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    It wasn’t pleasant.

    Once hitched a ride and the driver and his wife where heavy smokers that they even had the air on recycle instead of taking in fresh air. 2nd worst ride ever, I got out as quick as I could.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (1 child)
  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

    I got a ride from a courier who was driving as if the van was on fire. He looked at his watch and said "lunch time!". Then he held the steering wheel with his knee, and grabbed a 'Hoegaarden Wit" (beer) from behind his chair. Opened it with the bottom of his lighter and drank the whole bottle in one go. Did not blink an eye, grabbed another from behind the chair and repeated the process. Then only said "So !" and acted like it was perfectly normal. I jumped out when he halted at a traffic light. Looked back but It was an un-marked white van otherwise i'd happily reported him to police and his boss.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    My mother was a heavy smoker and slight of build, in the winter she'd crack the window 1/4 inch and not any further until i was steadily coughing.

    Jet's are different than cars though, they cycle air/heat from the engines at pretty high speed. The cabin air is continually refreshed/pressurized.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    I recall reading that in some ways air quality was better when smoking in airplanes was legal because they had to cycle air through the outside through ventilation systems.

    Now they don't so the air is more stagnant and circulates germs etc.

    I have no idea if that's actually the case, or if so, if that's actually better. But it was a point I hadn't considered.

    In hindsight, it feels like the sort of "study" that a tobacco company would put out. Like a petrol company funding one that says "climate change is good actually!"

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  • [–] 16 points 1 month ago (6 children)

    I’ve lived through both eras.

    Take all the tech companies away from the far-right, raise taxes on the wealthy, break up the media monopolies, overturn citizens united, ensure one full-time income can support a small family, restore actual journalism, make universities places for education and research again….

    And you can smoke wherever the fuck you want. Do it in my living room for all I care.

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  • [+] -7 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    Sorry, but this is a really ableist take. Not everyone is healthy enough to tolerate secondhand smoke; I would rather live in a literal 1984-style dictatorship than somewhere that smoking everywhere was normalized. There's not a political system out there worse than feeling like you have the flu every day for the rest of your life.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (2 children)

    Are you perchance a race and gender that hasn't historically been persecuted under fascism? There are a few things worse than a flu.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    I think you're underestimating the flu a bit there. Pretty hard to fight the power when you struggle to remain upright. At least if you're healthy under fascism there's, like, a chance things will get better. I can't imagine a fate worse than being sick all the time and unable to do anything about it because, ya know, you're too sick to do anything about it.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 month ago (10 children)

    Also smoking bans are so usa centric. Going to Europe is insane because they are so insanely rude with how they smoke compared to the usa

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  • [–] 11 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    I remember flying into Germany in '06 and being able to light up anywhere in the airport, went back in '13 or '14 and they had little booths.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago

    I was in Germany in the early 00s and I hard associated the Frankfurt airport with the smell of smoke. Went back a few years ago and I almost didn’t recall things because that olfactory link wasn’t there anymore.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    Wiiiide variety over Europe. You gotta specify

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  • [–] -3 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    I've been in a good few European countries and it hadn't differed in any.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    Continental Europe maybe but as a Briton it's pretty shit to be a smoker here. Extremely expensive unless you go black market, you have to stand outside in the pissing rain in virtually all cases, and people can be very judging about it.

    Source: ex smoker

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  • [–] 30 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (6 children)

    My stepfather was a lifelong smoker. He smoked a full pack of Marlboro reds every day, and my mom smoked a full pack of menthols. I calculated out how much they spent yearly on cigarettes alone and it came to over $5000, and that was in the late 90's; it's probably much higher these days. Both of them had been smoking since the 70's.

    When I talked to them about quitting, they both said that they enjoyed smoking too much, it's a stress relief, it's something to do, etc. They were aware of the health risks, but believed the risks were overblown and that emphysema is an "old person's" disease.

    Last year he was diagnosed with stage 3 emphysema. The man is a dyed-in-the-wool hard-as-nails army vet boomer, and his obstinate machismo made him ignore years of poor health and lung disease symptoms all to finally end up as an old person with an "old person's" disease. Credit to him though, he did quit cold turkey the day his doctors delivered the diagnosis; the same obstinacy that pushed him to never give up smoking is what pushed him to quit. Me and my family love the hell out of him, and we're glad that he finally quit, but it's so aggravating that there are still so many people out there who discount the risks of smoking.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago

    In my country there were ads that showed a smoker who had emphysema as part of an anti-smoking campaign.

    They described it like taking a deep breath and then exhaling just a small puff, then inhaling that puff and repeating forever until you die.

    Sorry for your stepfathers diagnosis.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago* (3 children)

    Every time sometime says they smoke a pack (if not more) a day, it blows my mind.

    That's twenty cigarettes. I mean Jesus Christ people, like how??

    I've never been able to make it through a full cigarette before feeling nauseous and putting it out.

    I'm aware how tolerance works, but 20 cigarettes every day just seems insane to me.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago* (2 children)

    My mom smoked 2 packs a day until at least her mid 40s, after staring at age 10. I have no idea when she stopped because I went almost no contact after moving out at 17.

    She appeared in excellent health until a massive stroke at 77. Barely recovered then died of the flu at 80. This is after years of going vegan and walking 10+ miles per day.

    Mind you, she was antivax, trending heavily towards anti medicine and anti science. As a former very well regarded biochemist.

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    [–] 55 points 1 month ago (11 children)

    Not that it should have to be either or, but I'll take less leg room over their gross smoke-filled cabin any day.

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  • [–] 29 points 1 month ago (10 children)

    It's going to be standing seats before too long. All the airline CEOs have been drooling over those for years.

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  • [–] 27 points 1 month ago (6 children)

    It’ll probably radically shift to laying down. They’ve wanted to bring this seating arrangement back for a lot longer

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago* (2 children)

    I remember being shown pictures like this in school as a kid and the images have never left my mind.

    Fully crossing a fucking ocean like that.

    Humans are the fucking worst.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago

    A Canadian comedy site on CBC radio had a fake story about how flights could get cheaper if people stood for the entire flight.

    Hundreds of listeners from Alberta and Western Canada called in to support the idea.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Do like the standing roller coasters! Then we can just use AI to fly the planes (no need for high cost/high stressed pilots). If the AI flies like shit, everyone is already secured with metal shoulder thingies to keep from flying (pun intended) all over the cabin.

    But how to deal with bathroom breaks? Mandatory catheters! The cost of "sanitizing" between flights surely isn't that much, and if people refuse - they can be held liable for any accidents.

    /s

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  • [+] 25 points 1 month ago (6 children)
  • [–] 21 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (5 children)

    I'll never pass up an opportunity to post this

    EDIT: I hate that x-axis actually, and it takes like 2 minutes to edit an image. Presto change-o

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (3 children)

    According to this graph, Gen X is the problem

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Anything other than dark blue is dangerous levels. It's Gen X and most of the Boomers.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (1 child)

    But according to this graph, millennials born roughly 1980-1985 have worse early life lead blood levels on average than boomers born 1945-1947

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  • [–] 25 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    I mean there's a huge reason for the loss of luxury on planes that everyone conveniently forgets

    Planes were EXPENSIVE, they were a luxury, and around the latter part of the 80s they figured out how to reduce the price. Tickets went from $500 to $50 for the exact same 1 hour flights to the exact same locations.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    There's a reason Ryanair became an instant success. People want to pay nothing for services rendered.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago*

    It's not just that, they figured out a factory line that made the production cost of planes drastically drop too

    They're still not cheap to produce, but they went from exorbitantly expensive, might only have 10-25 flights per day to an airport has 1000s of flights per day

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  • [–] 89 points 1 month ago (7 children)

    Literally everything. You know credit scores were invented by boomers?!

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  • [–] 17 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    You know Boomers didn't have credit scores until after they had GenX and Millennials? Boomers didn't grow up with as much red tape as we do

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  • [–] 23 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    And the average ticket was far more money back then as well. It was an event. You spent all that money so you dressed up for it. That's the difference between a luxury and a commodity.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    Prices were also regulated and fixed by the federal government. The federal government through the Civil Aeronautics Board set ALL domestic flight fares based on a fixed distance calculation.

    Airlines literally couldn't compete on price, so they competed on perks.

    In 1977, just prior to the Airline Deregulation Act of 1978, the average round trip domestic flight was ~$135. That's about $746 today. Round trip NY to LA was $148.20, or $820 today. Just looking at google flights for the next 6 months, The cheapest I can find pretty consistently for the same route is $239, and the highest I see is around Thanksgiving and Christmas for around $540.

    Call it enshittification, call it whatever. Flying is so much more accessible and cheaper than ever. And that has its benefits and drawbacks. The drawback is that people now look at price first and foremost and are generally unwilling to pay more for the perks beyond a little more legroom. The benefit is that it's ridiculously easy to just pack a backpack and go on a weekend trip across the country for dirt cheap.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago

    Not disagreeing in general, but under a "fixed distance calculation" a NYC-LAX flight would have been quite expensive but today it's driven more by market efficiency and NYC-LAX is one of the most market-efficient flights so they can charge less per seat. You might get different results comparing something like LAX-Des Moines or NYC-Little Rock. Or maybe not.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    The drawback is that people now look at price first and foremost and are generally unwilling to pay more for the perks beyond a little more legroom.

    The bigger drawback would be the enviromental damage but I get where you're going.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago

    Well, yeah I'm just talking from a consumer standpoint.

    Total global aviation only accounts for 2.5-3% of global CO2 emissions. Energy generation is 74-75% of global CO2 emissions. There are much bigger fish to fry on emissions.

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  • [–] 51 points 1 month ago (9 children)

    Banning smoking on planes is NOT a fumble

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  • [–] 14 points 1 month ago

    Omg yes. I am old enough to remember the tail end of the period when smoking was still allowed on planes and JFC it was awful. They had a smoking "section" but it was still an open cabin so you could smell smoke everywhere. And if you were in the same or next row as a smoker you couldn't escape it for the whole flight. Flying sucks now, but removing smoking is absolutely an upgrade.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    People who are too young or, frankly, not thinking hard enough really do romanticise what the world was like when people could smoke fucking everywhere because people really did smoke fucking everywhere. Restaurants and pubs had a visible smog in the air, the odor permiated all flavours and everything was slightly sticky unless it was wiped clean a few minutes before. Being trapped on a bus with a bunch of smokers was nightmarish enough, but being at the back of a plane - the cheap seats - where air was very, very slowly circulated front to back was hell, especially for asthmatics.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago*

    I grew up in the 90s and caught the tail end. My god it was nasty. That yellow layer of buildup on everything 🤢

    I love how Japan handles it. You can only smoke in designated areas, but a loooot of buildings have dedicated smoking rooms with built in filtration systems, which is more than you can say in the US. I've even seen old traditional ryokan hotels that have an indoor smoking room.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (4 children)

    But they gave you something. This could easily be replaced by some soda, or anything else. Meanwhile, leg room is no more, and you're only getting your own thoughts to contend with now.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Every flight I've been on offers a drink and snack.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (1 child)

    I've only flown British once. I got two biscuits and a very small water. Otherwise, nothing. Zero.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    Most non budget carriers give you a soda and a snack. But you also have to realize that they aren't GIVING you anything - you pay for that, always. It's just marked up and built into your ticket price. Leg room is 100% still available, you just have to pay more. The ticket for that is STILL cheaper (adjusted for inflation) than it was when lots of leg room was standard.

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