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[–] 156 points 1 month ago (26 children)

There have been, like, five societal things that have improved since the 90s, and banning smoking in basically all public spaces is one of them.

I can't even imagine air travel before the smoking ban. Mega yuck.

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  • [–] 40 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    It wasn't pleasant. I was a kid and didn't fly much. but I did experience it.

    Because everyone smoked everywhere, you were at least used to it. Airplanes are super well ventilated, not enough to make it pleasant, but enough that you weren't feeling like you were going to die when they all lit up.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    It wasn’t pleasant.

    Once hitched a ride and the driver and his wife where heavy smokers that they even had the air on recycle instead of taking in fresh air. 2nd worst ride ever, I got out as quick as I could.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (1 child)
  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

    I got a ride from a courier who was driving as if the van was on fire. He looked at his watch and said "lunch time!". Then he held the steering wheel with his knee, and grabbed a 'Hoegaarden Wit" (beer) from behind his chair. Opened it with the bottom of his lighter and drank the whole bottle in one go. Did not blink an eye, grabbed another from behind the chair and repeated the process. Then only said "So !" and acted like it was perfectly normal. I jumped out when he halted at a traffic light. Looked back but It was an un-marked white van otherwise i'd happily reported him to police and his boss.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    My mother was a heavy smoker and slight of build, in the winter she'd crack the window 1/4 inch and not any further until i was steadily coughing.

    Jet's are different than cars though, they cycle air/heat from the engines at pretty high speed. The cabin air is continually refreshed/pressurized.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    I recall reading that in some ways air quality was better when smoking in airplanes was legal because they had to cycle air through the outside through ventilation systems.

    Now they don't so the air is more stagnant and circulates germs etc.

    I have no idea if that's actually the case, or if so, if that's actually better. But it was a point I hadn't considered.

    In hindsight, it feels like the sort of "study" that a tobacco company would put out. Like a petrol company funding one that says "climate change is good actually!"

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  • [–] 16 points 1 month ago (6 children)

    I’ve lived through both eras.

    Take all the tech companies away from the far-right, raise taxes on the wealthy, break up the media monopolies, overturn citizens united, ensure one full-time income can support a small family, restore actual journalism, make universities places for education and research again….

    And you can smoke wherever the fuck you want. Do it in my living room for all I care.

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  • [+] -7 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    Sorry, but this is a really ableist take. Not everyone is healthy enough to tolerate secondhand smoke; I would rather live in a literal 1984-style dictatorship than somewhere that smoking everywhere was normalized. There's not a political system out there worse than feeling like you have the flu every day for the rest of your life.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (2 children)

    Are you perchance a race and gender that hasn't historically been persecuted under fascism? There are a few things worse than a flu.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    I think you're underestimating the flu a bit there. Pretty hard to fight the power when you struggle to remain upright. At least if you're healthy under fascism there's, like, a chance things will get better. I can't imagine a fate worse than being sick all the time and unable to do anything about it because, ya know, you're too sick to do anything about it.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 month ago (10 children)

    Also smoking bans are so usa centric. Going to Europe is insane because they are so insanely rude with how they smoke compared to the usa

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  • [–] 11 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    I remember flying into Germany in '06 and being able to light up anywhere in the airport, went back in '13 or '14 and they had little booths.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago

    I was in Germany in the early 00s and I hard associated the Frankfurt airport with the smell of smoke. Went back a few years ago and I almost didn’t recall things because that olfactory link wasn’t there anymore.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    Wiiiide variety over Europe. You gotta specify

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  • [–] -3 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    I've been in a good few European countries and it hadn't differed in any.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    Continental Europe maybe but as a Briton it's pretty shit to be a smoker here. Extremely expensive unless you go black market, you have to stand outside in the pissing rain in virtually all cases, and people can be very judging about it.

    Source: ex smoker

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