Imagine thinking you are the victim because you supported trump.

How does this come up as enough of an issue at work that your boss takes action on it?

To vote for this idiot you must be an idiot. Yes, everyone who is ok with trump is idiot.

Or a rapist.

Or a felon.

To be fair he wasn't the star of the apprentice he's just the loudest asshole willing to brag about being on a dumb TV show.

Imagine losing your own family because they chose to do that.

Oh wait, I don't have to, went no contact years ago.

This made me think, in an alternate universe, which already semi-famous TV personality from 20ish years ago would the worst segment of a population worship?

That dog whisperer guy?

You’re fired

+1.

Even if someone wholesome (Mamdani?) somehow took over the Democrats, or any cool party, I would never be "loyal" to them.

Maybe this is my old millennial ass shaking my fist, but I don't get why folks are loyal to influencers. Loyalty should be two way and reciprocal, to friends and family one knows personally, not asymmetrically to someone who makes a living from thousands following them.

Respect and admiration? Fine. But this guy's a poster child for why loyalty is too far. After all, what does Trump think of him?

I love Bernie. While I don't agree with him on everything, he's consistently been on the moral right side of most issues. Here he is being arrested for protesting segregation in 1963:

However. If he did even 1% of the things Trump did, I would call him out for it, demand he do better, and support his primary challengers if not. Unconditional loyalty to a politician doesn't keep them in check, and actually harms us all...

Trump literally told them that he will not need them after this again. No, he does not want or care for their support!

"In four years, You don't have to vote again. We'll have it fixed so good. You're not going to have to vote."

Yeah, describing yourself as a "loyal" politician supporter basically means you'll ignore whatever wrong doing they do and root for your "team".

Being loyal to anyone who doesn't know your name personally is borderline insane.

I feel like that ought to extend to everybody. I'm "loyal" only to the acts/values I'm on board with, and even then, not really, because I'm always open to changing my mind based on new information.

The concept of sticking with someone out of loyalty, regardless of who they are, after they've done something horrible, makes no sense to me, personally.

The closest I could say to being loyal would be AOC and Bernie, since I agree with most of their political stances and the things I do disagree with them on is mostly what I consider non-issues. But I'm definitely not running around waving their flag or wearing a big dumb hat to label myself, and certainly not vehemently defending any political blunder they might make.

The Cult of Personality

https://youtu.be/7xxgRUyzgs0

They hate Jews and love the Israeli government, too.

B b b Bill Clinton!

4 years if we're lucky

Not that surprising. Republicans have been painting Democrats as Satanist baby killers for decades. Republicans have also been campaigning on the lie that the Epstein list is all Democrats, Woke Hollywood, and Silicon Valley Tech Bros. To the average brainwashed minion, there is zero reason to hide the client list. They want their righteous lynchings.

This is their OUT. Many of them know they're idiots but are too proud to say they are wrong.

I suspect that possibly, it's actually not about the Epstein files but about the BBB.

Notice that it's probably not a coincidence that this drama broke out 1 week after Trump signed the BBB on July 4, which is gonna put millions of people of Medicaid.

Also notice that a lot of conservatives are probably pissed off about Medicaid but realize that it's difficult to move their fellow people to care about this, as the point of not giving "free handouts" has been enforced too much. Instead, they focus on Epstein as it's a moralizing drama, that people get very emotional about rather easily.

All the other bad stuff is generally stuff they wanted. They wanted authoritarian punishment of "others", minorities and news outlets that were telling them things they didn't want to hear. They were true believers that government regulation was incompetent and that the companies would self-regulate more effectively because capitalism would, somehow, punish them otherwise. The general grift and corruption may not have been desired, but they accepted rich people do rich stuff.

But here we have a cause that Trump's team jumped in and cheered with these guys, and ultimately they turn around and call them fools for believing in the very same cause that folks including Donald himself said had merit.

This combined with the medicaid cuts (even as many of them were benefitting, most assumed cuts would punish some nebulous "unworthy" benefits making the system better for them) and all sorts of other austerity to... generally get no new tax cuts. The downsides are starting to hit and the logical tradeoff upsides are nowhere to be seen.