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06:51 Updates break systems. Often.

10:53 You have to adapt to it

15:14 It's highly intrusive

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[–] 88 points 1 month ago (20 children)

It really is.

I’ve been a Unix maximalist since I can remember, but I’ve never convinced my peers to follow.

Since windows 11 has dropped, every single one of them now has a Linux machine for one purpose or another. Some are now considering a complete purge of MS products, as I have.

It’s happening.

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  • [–] 33 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Friend!

    It's been a long road, getting from there to here.

    It's glorious, isn't it?

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago (15 children)

    Only thing I’m having a little trouble getting away from is are some office products and email hosting.

    Once Gmail has the equivalent of shared inboxes, I’ll switch to them for my business hosting.

    In case people here are not aware, I can create free email address with my domain name for receiving only.

    This is great because I don’t really need to send mail for each account I receive mail at, but with Gmail you have to pay for each one as far as I know.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Do you have any experience with Docker? I've been running a mail server myself without too much trouble. More than happy to help if you wanted similar.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago

    Yes, but since it is for my business, I did not want to risk emails not getting delivered properly.

    I only pay Microsoft like $6 a month, and I have no problem with that expense for the piece of mind.

    I just hate Microsoft and want to use their products as little as possible.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Yes this is tough.

    We use Google Workspace. I use Proton at home.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    In case people here are not aware, I can create free email address with my domain name for receiving only.

    You should be able in gmail, under the Accounts tab in Settings, to add accounts to "Send mail as". Not sure how much of your problem that solves, though, if any.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (2 children)

    That works to some extent, although certain receivers like Yahoo will bounce messages because it breaks sender authentication protocols. I had to switch from Gmail to Proton (paid, the free version doesn't allow it) to fix that.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (1 child)

    If you're sending as a domain with a dkim record allowing gmail to send from it, that shouldn't be an issue as far as I'm aware.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    Maybe there's some way, but Google didn't want me to know about it. All their docs made it seem like I would have needed to have an enterprise version (no clue what they call it but you know what I mean) of Google services to get it to work, not the free version. I tried for a couple days anyway and couldn't solve it, so I figured it was a good opportunity to de-google my email. Once I switched to Proton I had it set up in hardly any time at all, and all the different authentication protocols too. Longest part of the process was simply waiting for record propagation.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (2 children)

    Moving to gmail, not from it?

    Google isn't exactly your friend and will not get better.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (1 child)

    Your right, but it’s for my business and my understanding is that other email providers may have their emails marked as spam even when it’s just confirmation email, receipt, or appointment reminders.

    I don’t want to risk having mail not delivered and having it translate to a lost sale or a poor customer experience.

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  • [–] 72 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    Yep, been over a year now on Linux, I'll never go back.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    About a year and a half ago I got a laptop to prepare for moving countries. Figured "I'll probably distro hop a bit see what I like so let's start pretty plain with Arch". I've uh never distro hopped, Arch my beloved, great daily driver does exactly what I tell it to

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  • [–] 37 points 1 month ago (13 children)

    I have to use it for work, and the difference between how my work laptop and my personal laptop (Debian 43) handles basic tasks is stark.

    The stuff like "will my headphones work?" has been solved for years at this point. I'm talking even more basic, like rendering the UI and loading menus.

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  • [–] 21 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    you know what's funny, is that my noise cancelling headphones started to have serious problems when I 'upgraded' to windows 11. it would pick up the noise cancelling mics and decide they were the primary, not my standalone dedicated microphone.

    in the process, it would also downgrade the sound quality for some fucking reason. no matter how many ways I disabled them, it would either re-enable them or I'd find a new way to try.

    with Linux? just works.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    100%. I'm not quite as ardently anti-Windows as most on this community from a UI/UX standpoint, but both Bluetooth and audio device switching are genuinely terrible experiences in Windows. I find myself pairing audio devices from scratch all the time on my work laptop, and it's painful every time.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (6 children)

    "will my headphones work?"

    It was Linux the one you had to check if basic peripherals would work.

    Now it is windows the one that gives issues with headphones, the one in charge of the equipment at my office is fed up with all of the complaints related to windows and headphones (the ones provided by the employer and the personal ones).

    Last Friday windows decided to stop working with the laptop’s webcam, and it was stuck as in use despite even turning off the camera in setttings.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    You still will run into issues with certain Bluetooth headphones on Linux because they either need proprietary codecs that just aren't available or fall back to really shitty ones. Not Linux' fault, but users will only see (or hear) that it doesn't work properly.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Examples you have noted, sir; for awareness' sake.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago*

    I'd have to ask, they weren't mine. But part of the problem was that it's either high latency and no mic or very low quality both ways, neither very usable for video conferencing. Was fine on Windows. I'm sure their Thinkpad's shitty Mediatek Bluetooth module didn't help either.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago

    I use a focusrite scarlet 2i2 2nd gen audio interface for my microphone. The driver hasn't been updated for a few years now but even when it was recent, I had issues with my mic quality randomly breaking, making me sound like a robot to my friends. I have had zero issues since switching to linux without even installing any special software for it.

    The only thing I kind of miss is that windows allowed me to mix down both mic inputs to a single mono channel whereas on linux both inputs are presented as separate mono channels. I suppose I could fix it with some 3rd party tools but I did not miss it too much so far.

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  • [–] 26 points 1 month ago* (7 children)

    WINDOWS 11 IS GREAT IF YOU DONT VALUE YOUR TIME

    Even with that caveat I wouldn't agree.

    But there's something to it.

    For me, a decade of Linux user, having been forced to work with a bunch of Windows laptops recently, even the difference between 10 and 11 was palpable. Not only in resource usage but also in just getting around the system, running updates, trying to disable the stock ticker (?WTF?) etc.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    Lately I often reminesce on the time SSD has become available. My previous laptop would take 5 minutes to fully open the system, and suddenly BAM! SSD and it was 30 seconds. I remember being blown away. How the fuck did we end up back here. How is it 5+ minutes to start a stupid OS again.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago* (2 children)

    I remember that too! My crappy old computer. I bought the cheapest SSD they had and it was so much faster.

    And I've been thinking about the latter too.

    BTW I truly hope your Windows takes 5min for a cold boot, and not your Linux, because that would mean there's something wrong with it or the hardware.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child)

    My work laptop is only allowed windows 11 [*] At least I wait for it on company time.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    I boot my work PC when I get in, then go off to make a coffee. It boots to log in reasonably well, but then takes a good five minutes to run the start up script that connects it to the company's shared drives.

    When I could use Linux at work the machine mounted the drives at boot so they were available immediately. I've gone backwards despite being 'upgraded'.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Can I trademark Sloperating System?

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  • [–] 14 points 1 month ago

    windows in general has always been a failure. I love how now I can solve most problems

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  • [–] 9 points 1 month ago

    Yep don't believe me see what kids on windows are doing(fixing what should have been already fixed years back)

    https://github.com/pagar-ani/native-topmost

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  • [–] 17 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    I recently dumped W11 off my wife’s ROG Ally handheld and replaced it with SteamOS. It’s a day and night difference in performance. ASUS is absolutely fucking themselves by shipping it with this vibe-coded trash OS. W11 is total dog shit. The only good thing it does is drive a lot of people into the arms of Linux.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (2 children)

    I have an Ally as well and I doubt the night and day difference claims there. Unless something drastic has changed Linux is at best on parity with windows if you change the ACPI settings manually.

    https://www.phoronix.com/review/rog-ally-windows-linux/

    It's not a steam deck that was designed around linux.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child)

    Maybe I oversold it but I definitely noticed a difference in both performance and battery life. Windows has no profile for handheld devices and assumes they’re a laptop. With SteamOS it seems to have better battery management, with the added bonus of not being spyware vibe-coded garbage. My wife encountered a handful of “yep that’s Windows for you” type issues and now those are reduced to zero.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    The ally has its own set of utilities for controlling power that works pretty well. It's not windows native but then again it's not native for vanilla Linux either.

    I looked at installing Linux on my ally z1 when I first got it. It's just not a performance boost and you do lose some device specific items as well. It makes some sense with niche specific devices like that.

    All that said, if it works for you then great!

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  • [–] 29 points 1 month ago (21 children)

    They're isn't one positive thing to say about it at all. Not even one.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago (8 children)

    Of course there is. It's compatible with almost any software and hardware (if you ignore their arbitrary W11 "requirements" which you can in most cases) that you can get your hands on. Microsoft and Windows deserve most of the flack they're getting, but we should be honest.

    Take Linux as a comparison. Compatibility is pretty good nowadays and is only getting better, especially with all the work going into Proton from both Valve and the community. But certain things are simply not supported which can make it either difficult or straight up impossible to get to work. Not that Linux is to blame for that, of course, but it is reality.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    if you ignore their arbitrary W11 “requirements” which you can in most cases

    No we cannot. I have a perfectly capable gaming machine, which meets my needs perfectly yet it's not supported by Windows. It's not some old work laptop a fricking gaming machine.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago

    I didn't mean it in a philosophical or ethical sense. Yes, their formal W11 requirements are stupid, but you can literally ignore them.

    Some of the requirements are just there on paper and the installer will let you continue regardless. And the rest can be disabled by flashing the ISO with Rufus and toggling that option on. Yes, this risks you not getting updates in the future and may affect certain (not very important) functions, but you absolutely can ignore the requirements if you want to, and as far as I know no one has been denied support so far.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago

    The depths you have to sink to to get what honestly feels like an attempt at a charity point, but if that wasn't assumed it wouldn't have become the product in its position.

    If there was an actual push to get compatibility worked out, it very well could. Seems more like a corporate holdback than a technical issue.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    Almost any software or hardware? Better to phrase it as almost all desktop software

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago (6 children)

    There's one thing Windows does that I miss. The big preview pane in file explorer.

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  • [–] 44 points 1 month ago (5 children)

    Dolphin seems to have that feature. Menu (the three lines button in the top right) > Show Panels > Information

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago

    To be fair Dolphin's defaults are insane, they seemed to have approached it as 'how can we allow file/folder navigation but hide as much information as possible'. If you're a minimalist you might like it, if you want to use a file manager to manage files I can't really see how the defaults are useful.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

    I remember finding this out a while back. I tried to install it, but had some problem I don't recall. I'll try again. Thanks.

    EDIT: Ah, right. It doesn't find my mounted drives nor my shared drives from my server. Nor does it show previews of any filetype but images (which IS nice), just a big icon for text files, for instance.

    I suppose there are fixes for these things, but I didn't find anything in configuration or in the help section of the website after a quick search. That's as far as I'm willing to dive into this, because I know I could spend hours on this, and still not find a solution from past experience.

    Thanks, anyway.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago

    Mounted drives

    They should show up in the bottom of the Places pane on the left, in the "Devices" section. If it literally cannot find them, then I can't say anything about what is wrong.

    Shared drive

    You should be able to add a network folder in Places (the left pane) > Network > Add Network Folder (in the top menu). If that wizard doesn't work, you should be able to do it manually by typing sftp://trackendakracken@192.168.1.123 or whatever into the URI bar and press enter.

    Enable text preview

    Menu (the three lines button in the top right) > Configure Dolphin > Interface > Previews > Text Files

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago

    Dolphin is plugin based. So there's plugins for adding previews for more file formats. For network share stuff you may want to check if "kio" is installed and any optional dependencies on your distro for more functionality

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  • [–] -3 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Uh yeah there is. Which that my games and software run without issue on Windows whereas on Linux I have to constantly fiddle with shit to make it work. But no one's ever honest about that.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    Nah, 98% of my tweaking is because I have a laptop as a daily driver. The last 2% is trying to get pipewire to ignore my headset mic in favour of the built-in mic and breaking things in the process, but I couldn't even get windows to actually use my headphones for years.

    I constantly wanted to fiddle with windows, but couldn't, and then had unrelated things just decide to break. And this was in the 7 days. Everything after that has actively hated me.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 month ago

    So I am a linux user, but use Windows 11 for work. I am an accountant in the school system.

    Windows works fine for my work purposes. Especially when a lot of applications are being removed for web clients. I still use quite a bit of desktop applications, but I see the writing on the wall; soon all my work can be done on any device.

    When the desktop application in work spaces finally die, I am curious if industries will switch to linux since its free and can be run on any hardware essentially. That or maybe owners will force their workers to use their own devices (phones, like Samsung DeX) to do work.

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