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The Internet Marked Flock Safety CEO’s Home As A Public Toilet Online (www.gadgetreview.com)
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[–] 159 points 1 month ago (37 children)

And even more fun, Flock has lost almost 400 contracts since last summer.

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  • [–] 153 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (27 children)

    Meanwhile Axon and other alpr companies gained 400 contracts because billionaires are afraid

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  • [–] 36 points 1 month ago (25 children)

    A) They should be

    B) Cameras won't stop shit if what they're worried about came to pass, they'll collect evidence that will be largely unusable, because it'll be crowds they need to worry about, not "Steve."

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  • [–] 21 points 1 month ago (15 children)

    Cameras will be used as input to the AI datacenters directing the drones and Boston Dynamics robodog killbots.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (14 children)

    Ehhhhh by then pipe bombs won't be so passé.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago (13 children)

    Pipe bombs against what target? That's why they're building bunkers in Hawaii and putting the data centers in space.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (11 children)

    The aforementioned dogs. The welder is for the bunkers.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago* (10 children)

    i wonder if its possible to make some kind of emp gun that would send a pulse which would mess/shutdown drones and other malicious mechanical things

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Yes but explosions work better. The future looks like Ukraine.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 child)

    emp would be more discreet and call less attention to the location

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  • [–] 2 points 4 weeks ago

    Necro, but: "the location" is broadcast via GPS by the dogbot, "the location" is either "where the dog was EMP'd," or "where the dog was forcibly exploded." Either way they know it was the last broadcasted position.

    Besides, explosions leave them with a lot less salvageable material, the actual main issue is shrapnel.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Modern miltech is usually EMP shielded, especially when they're spending upwards of millions of dollars on each one.

    Nets seem to be effective based on footage from Ukraine. They fire them out of hand cannons like the ones for T-shirts. Could be rigged to a drone, but anything on the consumer market will be more limited in range/altitude/speed/acceleration/maneuverability than whatever is being used by the military/police state. Some RC planes can be made for pretty cheap, they can go faster but the battery will only last a few minutes.

    For the robodog and centaur killbots, slide a little RC vehicle underneath with some thermite rigged to pow upwards at the right moment. Just don't use that anywhere near civilians.

    Any humanoid robot will probably be easy enough to push over, but if they get smart and train them in taichi or something then just remember that during medieval times the joints were always a weak spot in plate armor, and there is a very real reason for that which I think might apply here.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago (1 child)

    if it comes to civilians vs miltech, everything is already lost as they can just use neurotoxins or whatever at that point. And if its regular warfare then there are better solutions, unless its guerilla warfare which is different topic.

    And that stuff is expensive, so it wouldnt be deployed everywhere. What i'm thinking about is being able to do something about all the cheap things that can be put everywhere. And it doesnt have to be just drones and robots, being able to disable a camera covertly might also be good. If you have to take down something really expensive then might as well go loud and use thermite and explosives as you said.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago

    if it comes to civilians vs miltech, everything is already lost

    I agree, and that's why I'm generally against open revolution if it can be avoided, and in favor of democratic resolutions as long as there's still a slim chance that they might still be possible.

    But it doesn't hurt to start brainstorming now, for what to do if the unthinkable becomes the reality...

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    Space data centers still need infrastructure on earth in order to matter. They need radios to send/receive signals. They need launch pads and supply chains in order to support them logistically.

    And bunkers require air vents...

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago (8 children)

    Dream on. Country is run by a pedo and nobody cares.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Nobody cares? I guess that's why nobody talks about it.

    "Constantly you say?"

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    TBF there's a huge selection bias here. People are fine with Trump as president because of a massive propaganda apparatus using centralized social networks.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago

    Tbf, manipulating masses through lies and propaganda itself is a form of robbing them of informed consent, so even they are not actually "fine" with him, they're just not paying attention to the right sources and are still being lied to/propagandized.

    But also he has the lowest approval rating of any president in history, so that's a lot of "nobody." Also three(?) high profile assassination attempts? Sound like a guy "nobody" cares about to you? Seems like at least 3 people do. Constant protests, yadda yadda, yeah sure, nobody cares, that's why they're protesting him, "Get out or don't, whatever, who cares?" Yup, that's what all the signs say.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

    Respectfully, the facts demonstrate otherwise, given that Donald (going off his disapproval rating) is the most unpopular president in history. People hate that we have a pedo as president, they're just powerless to do anything about it until the next election.

    Further, in just the last four months Flock has lost nearly 400 contracts in 36 states, and largely off boring, lawful resistance. It's why they're offering employee buyouts, and it doesn't matter if some jurisdictions pivot to Motorola or Axon because the technology simply does not work and will still be unregulated.

    There is something in the cultural DNA of Americans that truly hates this technology, and what's even worse... it fails often and spectacularly enough that people are even angrier.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    We absolutely can do something about it before the election. We've had a king before.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 weeks ago (1 child)

    Sorry for necro, if anyone still uses that term, but:

    Bro then fucking do it. You won't, pussy, no balls.

    OR you have a life, don't want to die, you know that it won't solve anything it'll just make Vance president and further the goals of the surveillance state, and that you expecting others to do what you wont is fucking dumb. Pick one and stick with it. The only people who have the right to say "but we could shoot him" to me are those who have tried, either do it or kindly fuck off with that shit tbh.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 month ago

    People keep saying "But Axon and Motorola", but they seem to be unaware that the widespread, lawful resistance to Flock has hit them where it counts... in the wallet, which is why Flock is buying out employees.

    The problem is people hate the tech, it doesn't work properly, and pivoting to a new brand won't fix the problem. If you can get Americans in 36 states to get off their asses, go to city council meetings, and lawfully motivate politicians to stop using it, it's not going to matter what brand name is on the camera.

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  • [–] 22 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    This sounds great but EVERYONE go download the Deflock. Me app. There are thousands and thousands in every city. It's insane overreach. You literally can't drive anywhere and not get scanned. Even in rural areas and highways.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    There's also "Have I Been Flocked".

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  • [–] 13 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    Net or gross?

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    • [–] 100 points 1 month ago (11 children)

    We NEED to put this kind of pressure on all ALPR companies. I don't mean to take the foot off the gas with Flock, but I'm so afraid that Axon and Motorola and others will swoop in once Flock is gone, and everyone will be done with/tired of this particular public fight.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

    But also put that pressure on your local city councils (and other state and local government entities) that keep perpetuating this surveillance.

    They are often the ones signing on the dotted line for these contracts at the insistence of their ostensibly subordinate law enforcement.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 weeks ago

    Where I live, many towns have certain spending thresholds, below which some administrator can make unilateral decisions on what to purchase without getting council approval.

    Flock et. al. know this and do bespoke contracts for like $1 under the limit, so in many cases the council isn't even aware.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    What about, let's say Google? They have much more personal informations about you than a camera will ever provide. They basically have the location data of 75% of Americans at any minutes. Why don't you start by putting pressure on them?

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  • [–] 12 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    That is opt-in. Doesn't make it ethical but it is a much different question. I can always leave my phone at home but I can't opt out of Flock cameras.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 month ago

    I mean yeah, you could also not have a phone at that point.

    I could argue that you can cover your face or stay home if you don't want to be filmed in public.

    To be clear, I despise Flock but it's just a camera business. You have much bigger problem than that and shooting the CEO wont magically fix anything. Where do they get the database to identify people? Focusing on Flock while GAFAM gets your fingerprints, emails, locations, contacts, heart rate, etc. is just.... not a good strategy. Mass surveillance goes way beyond camera and Flock is just a business, they will get replace by another one if you don't fix the problem at it's source.

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  • [+] -20 points 1 month ago* (4 children)

    Be careful with extreme language. There are reasonable uses for ALPR. They’re used to read dot and hazmat markings (placards) on trucks for example. This keeps you safe as well as gets products to destinations more efficiently and quickly.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    nope. not reasonable. we have dot plac readability for decades with our eyes. you’re attempting to say “alpr notices a hazmat with a 1 dot placard where explosives(1.x) are not allowed and the cops and deep get dispatched”?

    that’s been a thing for years. by cops manually patrol monitoring and doing their jobs.

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  • [+] -14 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Ahhh. The left version of the radical right.

    Whatever dude.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    i mean .. i only speak as a person who responds to these incidends and am aware of how the current system works and where it fails.

    giving up my freedoms so a corporation can profit does not seem like a healthy way to go about fixing a problem that’s not really a problem. (your hazmat example)

    why are you simping for corporations?

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  • [+] -8 points 1 month ago

    It's not simping for corporations when you understand that some automation is very helpful both in efficiencies as well as safety. We're not getting away from diesel anytime soon, no matter what Lemmy believes. So, why wasted it having them idle in a huge line while someone manually does something that can otherwise be done in a fraction of a second? Seriously, don't be so damned naive.

    Everything you do and everywhere you go, you're leaving data where, if someone wanted to, they could gather all that up and profile you. You would have to go back to the stone ages for this not to be the case. Technology isn't the issue. Automation isn't the issue. The issue is humans. You tackle this issue by holding them responsible when they do bad things with good technology.

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    • [–] 60 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Get fucked Garrett Langley, nobody gives a shit about you and your death will be celebrated.

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    • [–] 26 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    It was hard to tell because everything was so blurry, but I thought it was a reasonable place to poop.

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    • [–] 19 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

    Lmao judging by those photos he filed a request to blur his property on Google street view. How incredibly ironic.

    However I'm sure there are many photos of the street with the public toilet elsewhere if you want to see it in all its shit-covered glory.

    Edit: oh perhaps I am mistaken. The Flock CEO's name is Garret Langley, but my maps app says the address of 2588 Winslow Dr NE, Atlanta, GA 30305, United States is actually Jeff's Lemonade Shop.

    I would love to go try some lemonade!

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  • [+] 5 points 1 month ago (1 child)
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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

    I didn't know pasta was on the lemonade stand's menu!

    Speaking of pasta, Italy has such a vibrant food culture don't they? Speaking of Italy, wasn't Luigi Mangione an Italian American citizen? Boy, what he did sure was a shame... But these streets, they're just too full of criminals these days...

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    • [–] 18 points 1 month ago

    The markings will continue until privacy improves.

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    [–] 16 points 1 month ago

    Zero sympathy for this privacy encroacher. The shame will be televised!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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    [–] 13 points 1 month ago

    I mean, accuracy is important for a map. 👍

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    [–] 10 points 1 month ago

    I'd shit down his chimmney.

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    [–] 9 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    donaldglover.gif

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    • [–] 5 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    What about Axon and Motorola Solutions? There are several more that involved in surveillance activities.

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    • [–] 11 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    Yeah that will definitely show him.

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    • [–] 5 points 1 month ago

    That's hilarious. Screw those cameras. Privacy is an human right

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    [–] 20 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Again, the American way of doing things

    This is just a dirty capitalist business doing shit. The problem of mass surveillance is much deeper than that. Shooting the CEO won't fix anything just like shooting the CEO of healthcare insurance business didn't magically gave you all healthcare.

    Google kbows more about you than you mom and any camera business will ever do, and yet 98% of Americans are happy to give them their fingerprints, location, heart rate, emails, contacts, etc.

    There's this saying in French, When the wise points at the moon, the fool looks at the finger.

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    • [–] 3 points 1 month ago

    He he he… dang… ha ha ha

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    [–] 7 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    Public Toilet

    Public shooting range.

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    • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    I feel bad for whoever buys that house. the market price should be negatively impacted by all this.

    not just, but I'm sure his neighbors are pissed as well for tanking their property values as well.

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